Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humf...@bbc.co.uk wrote: This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined? I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item. About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a political role category. Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to. Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
Hi: As we know, two properties may have the same name. In Spanish we call género to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as género, the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es) Is it any bug or feature? Regards On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humf...@bbc.co.uk wrote: This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined? I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item. About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may 2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a political role category. Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to. Cheers Mathieu -- Association Culture-Libre http://www.culture-libre.org/ __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
Hi, On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially): Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'. Cheers, Marco ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
ops, I forgot translate it!... thanks! On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: Hi, On 02/06/2013 05:17 PM, Dennis Tobar wrote: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es If not already known, the translation of this is (not officially): Another property (21) already has the caption 'género', which is associated with language code 'es'. Cheers, Marco __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Dennis Tobar Calderón Ingeniero en Informática UTEM ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
This two words are identical in Hungarian, too. 2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.to...@gmail.com Hi: As we know, two properties may have the same name. In Spanish we call género to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as género, the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es) -- Bináris ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you
access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to
be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the
capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered
to be unacceptable usability-wise).
That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per
language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.
Cheers,
Denny
2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.to...@gmail.com
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same name. In Spanish we call
género to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as género,
the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es)
Is it any bug or feature?
Regards
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
nicholas.humf...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field.
How
is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible.
There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may
have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he
may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give
more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may
2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which
is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a political
role category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers
Mathieu
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
Do'h... I understand the problem, but I can't think how solve the
problem... maybe we translate gender as género and genus as género
taxonomico (adding a word): isn't a beautiful way to solve the problem,
but it's a good way to keep the same idea of unique property name.
Cheers
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Denny Vrandečić
denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote:
It is a feature. The reason for that is that in the Wikipedias when you
access the data you can't use the property names otherwise - they have to
be unique. So in order to be able to write {{#property:capital}}, the
capital property needs to be unique (and a {{#property:p25}} we considered
to be unacceptable usability-wise).
That is why we decided that property labels need to be unique (per
language). If there are better ways to solve that problem, we are all ears.
Cheers,
Denny
2013/2/6 Dennis Tobar dennis.to...@gmail.com
Hi:
As we know, two properties may have the same name. In Spanish we call
género to two topics: gender (P21) and genus (P74). The first is related
to sex and second to taxonomic categoy. So, if we call both as género,
the site doesn't allow it (Edit not allowed: Otra propiedad (21) ya tiene
la etiqueta género asociada con el código de idioma es)
Is it any bug or feature?
Regards
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:
Le 2013-02-05 15:58, Lydia Pintscher a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey
nicholas.humf...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress!
Thank you!
I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q192http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192
And make him a Politician:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q82955http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955
But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field.
How
is the list of allowed values defined?
I just set this. This is possible.
There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if
it is a property of type item.
About relation names, 'is a' is vague, isn't it? I mean, Mr. Cameron may
have political activities today, and make something else tomorrow, as he
may used to do something else before. So wouldn't be interested to give
more accurate information, like he have been UK prime minister since 11 may
2010 (and adding information on end date of phenomena when possible, which
is not the case here). And then you may add prime minister in a political
role category.
Now it all depends on granularity wikidata is aiming to.
Cheers
Mathieu
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Re: [Wikidata-l] first parts of phase 2 live on wikidata.org now
On 05/02/2013 09:56, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Heya folks :) Sorry I completely forgot to also send an email here yesterday night. The first parts of phase 2 are now live on wikidata.org. More details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/04/first-parts-of-phase-2-of-wikidata-goi ng-live/ This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined? Thanks, nick. - http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Nicholas Humfrey nicholas.humf...@bbc.co.uk wrote: This is fantastic :) you are making amazingly fast progress! Thank you! I have been trying to assign the 'is a' property to David Cameron: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192 And make him a Politician: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q82955 But it doesn't seem to let me select 'Politician' in the value field. How is the list of allowed values defined? I just set this. This is possible. There is no list of allowed values. All existing items are allowed if it is a property of type item. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
