Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them). Bot owners on en:wp have been notified. I'm happy to work with you on a message to more of them. Let's do that off-list to keep the traffic down if you want. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: When? It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know as soon as I know more. Latest update: planned for March 6th. I'll prepare a message to the village pumps of affected projects next. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make sense not to do it. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.comwrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.comwrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_ **conclave,_2013diff=prev**oldid=538105382https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make sense not to do it. The current plan is to do all the remaining ones in one go. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
When? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: I guess it only makes sense if the deployment will be few languages at a time. If at some point you will start switching them in bulk, it might make sense not to do it. The current plan is to do all the remaining ones in one go. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: When? It was planned for the 27th but it looks like we will have to move it a few days because of a meeting at the WMF offices. I'll let you know as soon as I know more. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
I prefer to make the API call and not to check by a list of languages. Several reasons: 1. It's more robust in general. 2. Wikibase extension, as well as pywikipedia, can be used on other wikis, too. 3. There are dark corners in Wikimedia wikis - non-standard codes, redirects, locked wikis, non-language wikis (Commons, Outreach etc.) It's possible that these are out of the bots' scope, but checking the API will still make it more robust. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/2/14 Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013diff=prev__oldid=538105382 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine _ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**php?action=querymeta=wikibasehttp://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttp://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.**com yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**index.php?title=Papal___** conclave,_2013diff=prev__**oldid=538105382https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013diff=prev__oldid=538105382 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013diff=prev**oldid=538105382https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.**wikimedia.orgWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/__**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.**wikimedia.orgWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.** wikimedia.org Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those for unwanted interwiki-operations? On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at mailto:marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.__php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.__com mailto:yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/__wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/__11073 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013diff=prev__oldid=538105382 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__index.php?title=Papal___conclave,_2013diff=prev__oldid=538105382 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.__wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir _ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.__wikimedia.org mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
I think it might take some time to rewrite and test the new interwiki bot. If the bot operators simply download the latest version, they will continue running the old one until its fixed. If we plan to deploy wikidata to all sites soon, there is really no point in running IW bots any more until their logic is substantially changed. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: What about a bot to observe bot changes periodically and checking those for unwanted interwiki-operations? On 02/14/2013 11:57 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: We really ought to communicate with the bot owners to significantly modify their bots. It might even make sense to stop them all together until they can be re-designed to take wikidata into account. I could post a comment on most boards to ask IW bots to stop (and to notify the local communities that they should monitor IW bots changes and halt them). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at mailto:marco.fleckinger@**wikipedia.atmarco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: Actually when wikidata is running on all wikis we only have to remove the iw-links inside all articles of the same wikidata item. The bots will not have any base for adding the links again and wont do it anymore. Cheers Marco On 02/14/2013 11:29 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: That's a very interesting idea when i check this: http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.**__php?action=querymeta=** wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.__php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttp://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=querymeta=__** wikibasehttp://fa.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttp://fa.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase we can make a call for a bot to check every wiki but for now i think there is a very few wikis updated on wikidata so I don't think it's very good idea right now but for the future it's the only option so I'll work on it but not now Best On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.**comyuriastrak...@gmail.com mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.__**com mailto:yuriastrakhan@gmail.**com yuriastrak...@gmail.com wrote: We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=querymeta=__** wikibasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=**wikibasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**api.php?action=querymeta=__** wikibasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/__api.php?action=querymeta=__wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**api.php?action=querymeta=** wikibase https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com mailto:ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/__**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/** __11073https://www.mediawiki.org/__wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/__11073 https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/**11073https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info mailto:k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/__**__index.php?title=Papal_**
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:14:19 -0500, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: I think it might take some time to rewrite and test the new interwiki bot. If the bot operators simply download the latest version, they will continue running the old one until its fixed. If we plan to deploy wikidata to all sites soon, there is really no point in running IW bots any more until their logic is substantially changed. Note that we will still need traditional IW bots on non-Wikipedia projects for the foreseeable future. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). 2013/2/13 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de Block them until they behave? 2013/2/13 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info On 13/02/2013 21:01, Lydia Pintscher wrote: Heya :) Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with phase 1 now \o/ Details are in this blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/**02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-** english-wikipediahttp://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia An FAQ is being worked on at http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_**Questionshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions Thanks everyone who helped! :) Now if only those interwiki bots would stop adding links back... KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013diff=prev**oldid=538105382https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] phase 1 live on the English Wikipedia
We really ought to change it to dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=wikibase (thanks duh) If there is no error, wikibase is present, disable. This way no update to the blacklist is needed. The query should be re-issued every 30 min to make sure it hasn't changed. The sad part is that interwiki bot needs to be significantly reworked, so there is no big incentive to do any changes like this to it. It should be aware of wikidata, remove all data unless it is not in wikidata, etc. Lots of heuristical changes. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.comwrote: I did this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/pywikipedia/11073 so updated bots are not a concern anymore :) BTW:congrats. On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: On 13/02/2013 21:31, Denny Vrandečić wrote: You have examples of that? Did not happen to my edits (so far). Just once so far - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Papal_** conclave,_2013diff=prev**oldid=538105382https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papal_conclave,_2013diff=prevoldid=538105382 -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikidata-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
