Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project
On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed reality straight-jacket. Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] If someone gave you the entirety of Wikipedia from 100 years in the future for only 10 minutes, what would you read?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 13/02/13 10:41, David Gerard wrote: On 12 February 2013 23:05, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: PS. You might find that the page(s) you chose to read had been protected for years, or was in the middle of an edit war. Or that the entire encyclopedia had been 'checked' and published and was 'finished'? Would that be a cause for celebration or not? OK, I suppose this is all missing the point of the question... It's interesting. If you were in 1890, and you got ten minutes' access to an Encyclopedia Britannica from 1990 - what would you look up? Maybe some disease of local concern. Water-borne diseases like typhoid or cholera would be a lucky choice, since ten minutes would just about give you time to follow a q.v. to chlorination and make the relevant discovery some 4 years early. Calcium hypochlorite was already widely available, all you've got to do is mix it with your drinking water. As many of the articles I currently regularly check to see how badly vandalized or not they are... Probably given that the scale of time is such, the relative amount of active editing in them wouldn't be a concern, so I would go for pure degree of concern in general. Mother Theresa, Martin Luther, Solon, List of Occultists, Isaac Newton's Occult Studies. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project
The plan for Citizendium worked? First time that's ever been asserted. It worked in the sense a plan was developed, but the plan was indeed a behemoth and a straight-jacket, and was a key reason why the project was so unsuccessful. Among the many things the plan failed to consider, which would have been fore-front in any plan evolved by a community, was the need to make sure the people named as the editors actually were authorities in their subject. I was there from the start of the project: I was one of the first expert editors, I was one of the members of the first editorial board, The basic idea was wonderful as a supplement to WP, but its failure has made it almost impossible to try properly for a version of WP with expert peer-review of the content. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed reality straight-jacket. Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project
More a failure of nerve; when he did not attract experts in the field he gave authority to 2nd rate people. Present company excepted, of course. Fred The plan for Citizendium worked? First time that's ever been asserted. It worked in the sense a plan was developed, but the plan was indeed a behemoth and a straight-jacket, and was a key reason why the project was so unsuccessful. Among the many things the plan failed to consider, which would have been fore-front in any plan evolved by a community, was the need to make sure the people named as the editors actually were authorities in their subject. I was there from the start of the project: I was one of the first expert editors, I was one of the members of the first editorial board, The basic idea was wonderful as a supplement to WP, but its failure has made it almost impossible to try properly for a version of WP with expert peer-review of the content. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed reality straight-jacket. Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project
On 21 February 2013 19:00, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: More a failure of nerve; when he did not attract experts in the field he gave authority to 2nd rate people. Present company excepted, of course. He attracted academics, then he and the constables drove them away. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium summarises the decline and fall. Some Citizens have claimed it is inaccurate, but failed to respond when asked to detail the inaccuracies; any corrections are of course welcomed. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
