Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 Early Bird Registration is Now Open!

[Isarra Yos]

ing wikimedia, even in a
relatively close city like Stockholm, without a
scholarship stands at a minimum cost of 1000€,
which really is a prohibitive cost for the great
majority of people here, corresponding to way more
than a regular full month wage (two minimum wages,
actually).

25% of that cost corresponding to fees that even
wikimedia volunteers have to pay does seem quite
obscene to me.

If a significant amount of the cost is going to
fancy luxury hotels and parties - those last ones
barred to wikimedians below 18 years, in this
years event - this really should be something to
be reviewed. Also, I agree that it is quite
difficult to understand such an high fee in this
year wikimania, where most of the stuff seems to
be organized on campus.

Paulo

A segunda, 3 de jun de 2019, 00:32, Gnangarra
mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com>>
escreveu:

As has in previous years been suggested if we
want Wikimania to be truly inclusive and
encourage more people to attend then the WMF
should just extend the fundraising by a week
and use that to subsidise the event making it
more accessible to everyone. 1,000 particiants
at 250€ is just an extra 250,000€ to collect,
collecting enough to allow 200 scholarships
would enable greater participation from more
communities.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 03:16, Mykola Kozlenko
mailto:mycol...@ukr.net>>
wrote:

In 2015, 2017 and 2018 we had Wikimanias
in really upscale hotels. I can perfectly
understand why renting conference rooms
and arranging catering for all
participants in a Sheraton or a Hilton is
expensive. For instance, Montréal
experience in 2017 was pretty much worse
233 USD indeed given that we were in a
centrally-located Sheraton.

This year we are having a Wikimania on a
university campus. Yes, Stockholm is an
expensive city, but Montréal is not really
cheap either. I can't really understand
how a university campus in Stockholm is
more than 50% more expensive than a
Sheraton in Montréal.

I don't say I want these costs unbundled,
I am happy to pay for the full experience,
but with a price tag that high I would
really like to know where all this money
will go.

Best regards,

Mykola (NickK)

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Дата: 2 червня 2019, 18:19:17/

On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders
wrote:

> You're claiming that this year is a higher rate than usual, I don't 


> think this is actually true. Some context:

> - 2016: 500 euro, but this included 
accommodation and full board

> - 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD)

> - 2018: 275 USD

2016 is indeed when it first went up,
but even then the 500€ value was

fairly consistent with how much one
could expect the whole thing to cost

when including fairly decent food and
accommodation. What was concerning

was that then the cost stayed
relatively high, without any of the

included stuff - if the 250€ is only
the registration price, there's not

  

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 Early Bird Registration is Now Open!

[Isarra Yos]

On 01/06/2019 19:44, effe iets anders wrote:
You're claiming that this year is a higher rate than usual, I don't 
think this is actually true. Some context:

- 2016: 500 euro, but this included accommodation and full board
- 2017: 315 CAD (~233 USD)
- 2018: 275 USD


2016 is indeed when it first went up, but even then the 500€ value was 
fairly consistent with how much one could expect the whole thing to cost 
when including fairly decent food and accommodation. What was concerning 
was that then the cost stayed relatively high, without any of the 
included stuff - if the 250€ is only the registration price, there's not 
much to decouple. For instance, is there any food to not include? Lunch 
being included has pretty much always been standard, for good reason, 
and we're not doing breakfast and dinner for everyone in the first 
place, are we? (As I recall, 2015 did include dinner, though, which may 
indicate part of why it was also more expensive.) And even in terms of 
fanciness, I'm not sure how much value that has, or if they even have 
been meaningfully more so than they used to be. Comparing to the 
Wikiconference USA/NA events I attended some of the same years (I don't 
think any were over $50, definitely not more than $100), the Wikimanias 
were mostly just... bigger. Higher volume.


For reference, prior wikimanias cost the following for Wikimedians:

2015: $95
2014: £50.00
2013: $45
2012: $35
2011: $45
2010: 30-40€
2009: $45
2008: $45
2007: $40-60
2006: $90
2005 I can't find, but it was the first and thus organised a bit differently

So what happened? How is 250€ now not a lot of money? The first 
Wikimania I attended was in 2012 and my entire budget was $500, which 
was basically my holiday budget for the year. I was a student from a 
poor background, and a lot of our contributors are students. Quite a few 
of our contributors aren't exactly upper class, or from countries with 
great conversion rates. Should we really be requiring them to get 
special support now to even register for the main event for what is 
supposed to be a world-wide, inclusive movement?


250€ is a quite a lot of money. Other things to attend may still cost 
around the same or more, but if we also need to spend it on those 
things, we're not going to have that money left to spend on the 
registration as well.


-I


https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registration
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2014-registration-11063436035
https://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registration
https://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration (and the same page 
on other years)

https://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Registration=5931


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 Early Bird Registration is Now Open!

[Isarra Yos]

I'd really prefer people be volunteering for these things because they 
want to and they value what they're doing, not because they have to in 
order to do something else. It's good that those who do care to 
volunteer here don't need to pay the high fee on top of that, but it 
doesn't resolve the issue of such a high fee being there in the first place.


-I

On 31/05/2019 21:41, Jan Ainali wrote:
If you volunteer for at least 8 hours, the conference pass is free: 
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Volunteer


/Jan

31 maj 2019 23:32:50 +02:00, skrev Isarra Yos :
Are there any plans to add ticket options that are more affordable, 
especially for volunteers?


Even with Early Bird discount, $270 is... a lot, frankly (and after 
today, $375). Prior to Montreal two years ago (Cape Town last year 
was also similarly expensive), the registration cost of Wikimanias 
for Wikimedia contributors was generally in the 30-50€ range for the 
whole event - even Esino Lario, where food and full accommodation 
were included in the default ticket, also had a 'simple' ticket 
option skipping this that was still in the usual price range. Is 
there any chance we could bring this practice back? Or... something?


This isn't even just that I can't afford this (which I can't - the 
registration costs more than the plane ticket would), /a lot of us/ 
probably aren't going to be able to. Wikimania isn't like most 
conferences, where attendees are being sent by their companies or 
organisation; many of us who would consider going are individuals. 
Not only do we not necessarily have any larger organisations to fund 
our attendance, we're largely not getting paid for any of this, 
either - we're donating our time to be a part of this movement, and 
now we're expected to pay hundreds of dollars, as community members, 
to attend an event that used to be specifically for the community?


This is especially going to be a major turnoff to any newcomers, as 
it precludes people just registering and checking it out, seeing 
what's up, unless they have a lot of money to throw around on things 
they're not sure about. And based on the conversations I've had with 
various newcomers over the years who have been drawn into such events 
(previous wikimanias, hackathons, other conferences) and been highly 
engaged and inspired by their experiences, this is apt to be a major 
loss.


I'll also note that while scholarships do resolve this issue for some 
people, the scholarship budget is limited, and also generally 
focussed on travel and accommodation costs for folks who would 
otherwise not be able to get there, not attendance costs for people 
who can get there just fine but would prefer to spend that 250€ on 
something else, like a couple of months of groceries. There wasn't a 
'just cover the registration fee' option with the scholarship 
applications at all. Not that... there should be?


Basically, would it be possible to maybe get some more options here?

-I

On 24/05/2019 23:33, Isabel Cueva wrote:

Great News! The Wikimania discount registration 'early bird'
price period has been extended to May 31st! Details:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Registration

Also, don’t forget: If you want to make a presentation, run a
workshop, or display a poster during Wikimania, the Call for
Submissions is NOW OPEN
<https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania>


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:22 AM Isabel Cueva
mailto:icu...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:

Attention Everyone (and please spread the word):


Early Bird Registration is now open for Wikimania 2019 on our
Eventbrite

<https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2019-registration-60631780287>page.

This discount pricing ends on May 24th so don’t delay!


Online registration will be open from today to July 30th, 2019.


For more information please visit:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration


Wikimania 2019 will be held at Stockholm University
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_University>, Sweden
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden>, from 14th to 18th
August 2019.


The venue will host the majority of the conference,
hackathon, meetups, and pre-events.


We would like to encourage all speakers and attendees to
register early and book their flight and travel as soon as
possible. If you have questions about visas, please visit our
wiki visa page <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Visas>.


If you have any questions with regard to the conference,
please contact:

wikimania-i...@wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimania-i...@wikimedia.org>


Don’t forget: If you want to make a presentation, run a
workshop, or display a poster during Wikimania, the Call for
Submissions is NOW OPEN
<h

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 Early Bird Registration is Now Open!

[Isarra Yos]

Are there any plans to add ticket options that are more affordable, 
especially for volunteers?


Even with Early Bird discount, $270 is... a lot, frankly (and after 
today, $375). Prior to Montreal two years ago (Cape Town last year was 
also similarly expensive), the registration cost of Wikimanias for 
Wikimedia contributors was generally in the 30-50€ range for the whole 
event - even Esino Lario, where food and full accommodation were 
included in the default ticket, also had a 'simple' ticket option 
skipping this that was still in the usual price range. Is there any 
chance we could bring this practice back? Or... something?


This isn't even just that I can't afford this (which I can't - the 
registration costs more than the plane ticket would), /a lot of us/ 
probably aren't going to be able to. Wikimania isn't like most 
conferences, where attendees are being sent by their companies or 
organisation; many of us who would consider going are individuals. Not 
only do we not necessarily have any larger organisations to fund our 
attendance, we're largely not getting paid for any of this, either - 
we're donating our time to be a part of this movement, and now we're 
expected to pay hundreds of dollars, as community members, to attend an 
event that used to be specifically for the community?


This is especially going to be a major turnoff to any newcomers, as it 
precludes people just registering and checking it out, seeing what's up, 
unless they have a lot of money to throw around on things they're not 
sure about. And based on the conversations I've had with various 
newcomers over the years who have been drawn into such events (previous 
wikimanias, hackathons, other conferences) and been highly engaged and 
inspired by their experiences, this is apt to be a major loss.


I'll also note that while scholarships do resolve this issue for some 
people, the scholarship budget is limited, and also generally focussed 
on travel and accommodation costs for folks who would otherwise not be 
able to get there, not attendance costs for people who can get there 
just fine but would prefer to spend that 250€ on something else, like a 
couple of months of groceries. There wasn't a 'just cover the 
registration fee' option with the scholarship applications at all. Not 
that... there should be?


Basically, would it be possible to maybe get some more options here?

-I

On 24/05/2019 23:33, Isabel Cueva wrote:
Great News! The Wikimania discount registration 'early bird' price 
period has been extended to May 31st! Details: 
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Registration


Also, don’t forget: If you want to make a presentation, run a 
workshop, or display a poster during Wikimania, the Call for 
Submissions is NOW OPEN 



On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 10:22 AM Isabel Cueva > wrote:


Attention Everyone (and please spread the word):


Early Bird Registration is now open for Wikimania 2019 on our
Eventbrite
page.


This discount pricing ends on May 24th so don’t delay!

Online registration will be open from today to July 30th, 2019.


For more information please visit:
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration


Wikimania 2019 will be held at Stockholm University
, Sweden
, from 14th to 18th August 2019.


The venue will host the majority of the conference, hackathon,
meetups, and pre-events.


We would like to encourage all speakers and attendees to register
early and book their flight and travel as soon as possible. If you
have questions about visas, please visit our wiki visa page
.


If you have any questions with regard to the conference, please
contact:

wikimania-i...@wikimedia.org 


Don’t forget: If you want to make a presentation, run a workshop,
or display a poster during Wikimania, the Call for Submissions is
NOW OPEN 



We hope you can join us in Stockholm this summer!



Isabel Cueva, WMF Event Program Manager

on behalf of the Wikimania ‘19 Organizing Team



-- 
	*Isabel Cueva*

Event Program Manager
Wikimedia Foundation 



--
*Isabel Cueva*
Event Program Manager
Wikimedia Foundation 


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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Sensory overloads

[Isarra Yos]

Naming things is hard. Generally just having a designated quiet room 
where people can go and... have quiet is generally quite useful, though. 
For all sorts of purposes.


On 15/08/18 17:01, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:

I hope it wasn't called "introversion room"... That sounds awful. :|

Paulo

Amir E. Aharoni > escreveu no dia quarta, 
15/08/2018 à(s) 17:44:


Thank you for sharing this, Romaine.

Our experiences are so different, and we should acknowledge it and
cherish
it, and we need to respect all people and accommodate all people.

My experience is related and opposite at the same time. I
sometimes tell
people that Wikimania is my social life. It's an exaggeration; it's
Wikimania and other Wikimedia-related events: hackathons,
workshops, local
meetups. But that's really about it. The Wikimedia community is my
social
life. Events other than Wikimedia events —weddings, holidays,
parties, you
name it— can easily cause me to feel out of place and to experience
feelings described in this thread.

Wikimania is where I feel completely at home. But if it's not a
place where
others can feel at home, it's a problem.

I remember one Wikimedia event that had an "introversion room". I
remember
how some people cheered when the event organizer mentioned it in her
welcome speech. We need more of that: not only "introversion
rooms" (even
though they are welcome), but anything that makes people feel welcome.

We need more of this consideration and inclusion not just because
it's the
right and decent human thing to do. We need it because it's our
expressed
goal to include every single human being. Who if not us?

בתאריך יום ד׳, 15 באוג׳ 2018, 18:42, מאת Romaine Wiki ‏<
romaine.w...@gmail.com >:

> Hi everyone,
>
> In our movement we have a lot of different people, including
people with a
> different neurodiversity.
>
> Then it can happen that with events organised by the Wikimedia
movement,
> there are people that get sensory overloads. it basically means
that the
> input through the senses gets too much at some point. This can
result in an
> emotional outburst, an instant heavy headache/migraine attack,
or in my
> case I go (almost) completely blank.
>
> It is really hard to complain how it is like to people who have no
> experiences with it.
> I think however that we need as inclusive movement to be more
aware of the
> huge amount of varieties of people and there needs. For that
reason I like
> to share a thread on Twitter with you how a user I know well has
> experienced it herself.
>
> Read at: https://twitter.com/dodocurieux/status/1029743772584865792
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Reminder: WMF scolarships - Post-Conference Report

[Isarra Yos]

Oh, should we be adding links to our reports there?

-I

On 27/09/17 13:23, Mārtiņš Bruņenieks wrote:

Reminder to fellow WMF scholarship recipients:

You must complete your report by October 1st. If you do not submit
a report by this date, you will not be eligible for future funding
or scholarships from the WMF.


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars

Big part of  recipients still have not submitted anything.

 Mārtiņš


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Re: [Wikimania-l] "Friendly and inclusive", and Brexit at Wikimania

[Isarra Yos]

I had a bit of the same problem, but with people making disparaging 
jokes about Trump. I think it's an important thing for people to 
remember that even as we come together in this movement, our politics 
are not necessarily the same as other folks, and making hostile comments 
in any direction about any of it is just not helpful.


(I'm not even going to say where I stand on the matter, as I'm not 
entirely sure myself. I'm just really tired of the hostility and wish it 
would bloody stop already, especially as these are hardly isolated 
examples.)


-I

On 09/07/16 21:51, Deryck Chan wrote:


I apologise for the somewhat emotionally charged post. Please read to 
the end and I promise my argument will come together...


Wikimania 2016 gave me more emotional hot air than any other previous 
Wikimania except the one I organised (2013). But unusually, the hot 
air didn't arise from disputes about Wikimedia chapter governance or 
conference (dis)organisation. It was about Brexit.


(For the record, I thought Wikimania Esino was amazingly well-operated.)

Before Wikimania, I had already set out my attitude towards Brexit on 
a Facebook note. I've reposted it on my user-space on the Wikimania 
2016 wiki so I won't repeat my arguments at length:


https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan/The_reluctant_Remain_voter

The title of my post gives it away - I'm lukewarm towards Brexit.

At Wikimania, the topic of Brexit naturally brought itself up in many 
mealtime conversations between me and Wikimaniacs from other EU 
countries. My opinion on the matter often took conversations towards 
unhappy disagreement, and I would feel excluded from subsequent 
conversation on the same table.


I've never felt so rejected at Wikimania. Most heated debate at 
Wikimania I was involved in took the form of "us vs. y'all", so as 
inflamed as a debate may have been, there would be a "my side". But 
not this time. My unusual perspective as a non-white British (and EU, 
until UK formally withdraws) citizen meant that I had a perspective 
that was shared by very few others at Wikimania. It was like "me vs 
everyone else".


I felt disenfranchised enough by the referendum debate itself as a 
non-white citizen of the UK. I felt sad enough that I voted Remain but 
Leave won. I wanted to share the little bit of hope I still had about 
the future, on the day Leave was declared victorious, and wasn't 
appreciated.


I shared my feelings with Daria Cybulska (WMUK staff, Polish origin) 
and she reminded me to be "sensitive" of other people in discussion... 
an instruction I immediately fell foul of in that discussion, as I 
forgot that the UK's withdrawal from the EU will mean fewer 
opportunities for people with similar backgrounds to Daria, as much as 
the EU's protectionist tendencies have been reducing the opportunities 
for people with similar backgrounds to me.


Okay, enough Brexit chat. I promised my argument would come together.

In her Wikimania keynote, Katherine Maher said one of the things WMF 
would prioritise in the next year is to make our communities a 
"friendly and inclusive space".


I'm a six-time Wikimaniac; and in-person meetings are known to 
facilitate more amicable debates than online discussions. But because 
of my unique background, even I fell foul of the standards of 
sensitivity in communication, and as a result felt unwelcome.


Now imagine someone from a far-flung corner of Wikimedia-sphere 
joining Wikimania for the first time. Or a prospective new editor from 
a far-flung corner of Earth clicking [edit] for the first time. When 
there's disagreement in which the newcomer has a unique perspective, 
will they feel included?


I don't claim to have the magic bullet. But thanks to Brexit happening 
during Wikimania 2016, now I understand the sheer magnitude of the 
problem. I feel encouraged that Katherine and the WMF are making it a 
leading priority for the next year to foster a "friendly and 
inclusive" community atmosphere.


I'm not sure which one is easier to solve: the political mess of 
today's Europe, or the hostile mess of online communities. But for 
both, I shall remain hopeful and do my part to make our communities 
better.


Deryck



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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '16 Scholarship & Submission Deadlines are Approaching!

[Isarra Yos]

On 05/01/16 16:18, Ginevra Sanvitale wrote:

Il 05/01/2016 14.53, Andrew Lih ha scritto:

Forgive me if I’m missing something, but was there ever an announcement
to this list about the initial deadline or that submissions were open?


No, there wasn't.
We mostly spread the link on the projects, and a banner has been online.


Not everyone uses or contributes to the projects in the same ways. 
Especially for technical contributors, who can easily be primarily 
active on phabricator and gerrit and not even edit wikis much, email can 
be the primary means to find out about anything. And there are probably 
other use cases as well that should still be valid.


-I

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Reminder for WMF Scholarship Recipients regarding Reports

[Isarra Yos]

This is about twice the amount of time given for regular TPS grants (I 
mixed them up because I couldn't find the info at the time), which only 
give two weeks. The things aren't required to be long, however, just 
give some info on the thing and its impact.


On 15/08/15 16:09, Leon Liesener wrote:

Dear Ellie,

since this is a really busy month for me, I will likely not be able to
submit a report before next month.
Also, I do not understand why we are getting forced into deadlines, a
report written in big hurry will never be as valuable.

Thanks for understanding,
  Leon

2015-08-03 21:44 GMT+02:00 Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org:

I will be sending this reminder to each scholarship recipient as well, but 
here’s another ping:

To: All WMF scholarship recipients who attended Wikimania (including IEG, PEG 
grantees)

We hope you had a great experience at Wikimania this year.

As a reminder, we would like all WMF scholarship recipients to share  something 
from the conference with the Wikimedia movement after the conference has ended.

Please submit your short report  on meta-wiki using the instructions and input 
box provided here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#Reporting

Note that the deadline to submit your report  August 12.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Thank you on behalf of the Foundation,


Ellie Young
Conference Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you to our hosts

[Isarra Yos]

What she said.

On 19/07/15 15:13, Risker wrote:
As I spend my last few hours here at Wikimania 2015, I want to extend 
my thanks to all of the leaders and volunteers who have made this 
Wikimania a truly memorable event.  It is a bit funny that, despite 
being in the middle of what might be called a very corporate 
environment, I have felt such camaraderie and friendship amongst our 
huge,worldwide community.  Our organizers set the stage for us to make 
it such an excellent weekend together.


So many things went right this weekend. The food was good, the 
sessions were good, the company was excellent, and the venue was very 
accommodating.  Yes, there were a few problems - six months from now, 
they will be remembered as funny stories.


Thank you again, to all of you.

Risker/Anne


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