[Wikimania-l] Re: Wikimania 2023 : Call for Program Submission, language translation of Wiki pages

[Luca Martinelli [Sannita]]

I'll write it again, and hopefully it will be more clear this time.
Apologies in advance for caps lock, but hard times require hard
solutions.

STOP SENDING EMAILS WHERE YOU THANK THE TEAM AND ANNOUNCE A
TRANSLATION IS READY.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, PLEASE DO IT PRIVATELY TO THE TEAM AND NOT
PUBLICLY IN THIS LIST.

THANK YOU.

L.

Il giorno ven 10 mar 2023 alle ore 12:27 Abdul Wahab
 ha scritto:
>
> It has already been done in my (Urdu) Language.
>
> Love Wiki
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:12 PM Abdulkadir Abdulkadir 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello committee team,
>>
>> Thank you for this email, and I have done my translation in my local 
>> language (Fulfulde).
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, 11:40 Swørd Tv,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 11:22, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just wondering whether there is any requirement in the original email to 
 confirm here to the whole mailing list that which language is translated 
 and by whom? Can the organisers not see that on-wiki? What is the actual 
 point for people to reply to the whole group that they have translated 
 into abc language?

 Any benefit?

 Thanks

 its almost the same question i am about to ask. like there is no need for 
 us to be sending it here if the organisers are seeing our edits. just to 
 be in a safer side_i have translated to my local language


 On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, 10:14 am Daud Opeyemi,  
 wrote:
>
> I’ve translated to my local language. Thank you
>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 05:08, Butch Bustria  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Please help to translate Central Notice Banner on Wikimania into your 
>> language(s).
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate=Centralnotice-tgroup-wm2023cfpbanner=view=%21translated=translate=en
>>
>> Also a quick translation request. It's 4 sentences to translate for the 
>> Massmessage going out: 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2023/Call_for_program_submissions
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Butch Bustria
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 11:51 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Wow you Wikimedians are amazing, thank you for jumping in to translate 
>>> the program submission pages, and for all other pages on the Wikimania 
>>> wiki it is appreciated by the whole Organizing Team.  We look forward 
>>> to seeing everyone in Singapore in August. Thank you again and keep up 
>>> the great effort to help make Wikimania accessible to everyone.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gnangarra
>>> Wikimania 2023 COT
>>>
>>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 06:05, Ruben Hilari-Jilalu  
>>> wrote:

 doing into Aymara

 El sáb, 4 mar 2023 a las 4:10, Jagseer S Sidhu 
 () escribió:
>
> Hi
> I have translated 
> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions into 
> Punjabi. Will translate remaining soon.
>
> Best
> Jagseer (he/him)
> Punjabi Wikimedia User Group
>
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 12:39 pm ESEAP Wikimania Core Organizing Team, 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks!
>>
>> A while ago we shared to you the diff post about our call for 
>> program submission.
>>
>> To promote language diversity and collaboration,  We ask for your 
>> help to translate the following Wikimania wiki pages to your native 
>> local languages on your free time. We greatly appreciate if it is 
>> fully translated this week. The program submission period ends on 
>> March 28.
>>
>> ■ https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions
>>
>> ■ https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Form_Questions
>>
>> ■ https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/FAQ
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Butch Bustria
>> On behalf of the ESEAP Wikimania 2023 Core Organizing Team
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, 1:02 AM ESEAP Wikimania Core Organizing Team 
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Do you want to present at Wikimania 2023? Wikimania program 
>>> submissions are open now until the end of day Tuesday 28 March, 
>>> anywhere on earth. We welcome your session proposals. Read more on 
>>> Diff and start preparing your ideas!
>>>
>>> We look forward to reviewing your submissions.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Butch Bustria
>>> On behalf of the Wikimania 2023 Core Organizing Team
>>
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[Wikimania-l] Re: Meet the Wikimania 2023 Organizers and Program Subcommittee, Call for Program Submissions

[Luca Martinelli [Sannita]]

I agree with Lucy, and ironically I have to send an email for this.

I get that most of you are truly thankful for the informations you get, but
please do consider that if everyone writes a thank you email each time, we
would be flooded with emails with little to no value added to the
discussion.

Please, if you want to express gratitude and happiness to the committee, or
if you have menial communications to do, such as completing a translation
in your language, please do address the committee in private and NOT
through this mailing list.

Let's keep this mailing list for important and/or urgent communications,
not for personal use.

Thanks and apologies for having to repeat these concepts in yet another
email.

L.


On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, 11:04 Lucy Crompton-Reid, <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> I don't mean to be rude but I've already had over 30 Wikimania related
> emails in my inbox this morning. Please could you consider whether everyone
> needs to see your message before emailing the whole mailing list? I do
> appreciate that's what I'm doing now! Thanks, Lucy
>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 09:39, Kinyamba Shako 
> wrote:
>
>> merci pour les informations
>>
>> Le ven. 10 mars 2023 à 10:42, Abdulai Iddrisu <
>> abdulaiiddrisu...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 8:24 AM Cosmas Chumba 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Bustria,

 Many thanks for the update.

 translation to swahii done
 .
 Kind regards
 Cosmas Chumba.

 On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 11:06, Theresia Setyawati <
 thersetya1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mr. Bustria,
>
> Thank you for this information.
>
> Regards,
> Thersetya
>
> Pada tanggal Jum, 10 Mar 2023 pukul 04.49 Butch Bustria <
> bustr...@gmail.com> menulis:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> If you have any questions or suggestions please join us at an
>> upcoming conversation on March 12 or 19, or reach out by email at
>> wikima...@wikimedia.org or on Telegram (https://t.me/wikimaniachat) .
>>
>> Sunday, March 12 at 09:00 UTC
>> 
>> Meeting link: https://meet.google.com/zqq-ojgn-ccp
>>
>> Sunday, March 19 at 00:00 UTC
>> 
>> Meeting link: https://meet.google.com/fit-vxck-nmk
>>
>> Sunday, March 19 at 14:00 UTC
>> 
>> Meeting link: https://meet.jit.si/Wikimania2023_Office_Hour
>>
>>
>> Do you want to host an in-person or virtual session at Wikimania
>> 2023? Maybe a hands-on workshop, a lively discussion, a fun performance, 
>> a
>> catchy poster, or a memorable lightning talk? Submissions are open until
>> March 28.
>>
>> For details about the program submission process, you can go to
>> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions
>>
>> Reviewing the questions and preparing your answers before submitting
>> them would be helpful.
>> Go to
>> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Form_Questions to
>> know more.
>>
>> For frequently asked questions, go to
>> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/FAQ
>>
>> We have suggested 11 program tracks to organize and review the
>> submissions later. Please choose the track that applies best to your
>> session.
>>
>>- Community Initiatives
>>- Education
>>- Equity, Inclusion, and Community Health
>>- ESEAP (East, South East Asia, and the Pacific) Region
>>- GLAM, Heritage, and Culture
>>- Governance
>>- Legal, Advocacy, and Risks
>>- Open Data
>>- Research, Science, and Medicine
>>- Technology
>>- Wild Ideas
>>
>> We appreciate your time and effort in filling your program proposals
>> and together we want make it happen in Wikimania this August!
>>
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Butch Bustria
>> Chair, Wikimania 2023 Program Subcommittee
>> Event Lead, ESEAP Wikimania 2023 Core Organizing Team
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news)

[Luca Martinelli]

Il giorno lun 30 lug 2018 alle ore 12:57 Deryck Chan
 ha scritto:
> The problem here is that if WMF or the organisers of an event needs to 
> enforce FSP and keeps secret about the entire incident, speculation and 
> one-sided perspectives can run amok in the community debate that ensues.
>
> Lilli and Asaf have a good point: the specifics about a case of FSP 
> enforcement ought not to be the subject of public debate because that creates 
> additional stress on the participants. But for the enforcers to keep utter 
> silence has served the opposite purpose: the lack of an official statement of 
> enforcement has caused speculation to run wild.
>
> It would be in the interest of both transparency and justice that the T or 
> the organisers make a short announcement whenever FSP is invoked. It could be 
> as anonymous as "We have had an incident where an attendee felt uncomfortable 
> in a discussion. Attendees are reminded to... [insert appropriate behaviour]"
>
> What is missing from the FSP process is this pre-emptive, limited release of 
> information from an act of enforcement. It can come with a reminder that 
> further discussion of the incident is discouraged to protect the privacy of 
> those involved.

+2. Just to let you know, Wikimedia Italia has recently approved a
Code of Conduct,[1] roughly based on WMF's Friendly Space Policy, with
the difference that we explicitly stated that the person that gets
sanctioned in light of the Code of Conduct has the right to know why
the sanction has been taken.

I think *this* would be the one and only amendment that we should do
to the FSP. It doesn't have to be publicly announced by Katherine or
Jimbo to the whole assembly, but at least it'd be nice for the person
affected to know.

There's also another thing we should do, but this cannot be an
amendment to the FSP. I quote directly DaB. on this:

Il giorno lun 30 lug 2018 alle ore 02:24 DaB.  ha scritto:
> I will respect the other people around me, I will try to
> not make them uncomfortable, and if there is a problem (for example:
> being too loud) I expect that somebody will talk to me, and I’m sure
> that there will be a solution.

I know that somebody would feel... weird in asking certain things, or
to respect certain things. I know what it's like, because I live in
constant fear of "doing the wrong thing", since I too have some minor
problems in approaching new people, and sometimes overthink too much
the weight of my words or actions.

Asking politely not to do certain things to me is perfect, but in a
way we should remember Wikimania or any other wiki event is NOT an
hostile environment - quite the opposite. In my experience, I found
wiki events the perfect environment to step up a bit my "social
skills", because I know this is *my* people I'm addressing, let's not
forget that.

L.

[1] https://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Codice_di_condotta (Italian only)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Friendly Space Policy (was: Sad news)

[Luca Martinelli]

Il giorno lun 30 lug 2018 alle ore 09:00 Philip Kopetzky
 ha scritto:
> Guys, can you please take any discussion among you white males to Wikimedia-l 
> if you still feel the need to discuss this amongst you? You can't force a 
> public debate, especially wheb Asaf and Lilli have already stated the obvious.

Plonk.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

[Luca Martinelli]

Il giorno ven 20 lug 2018 alle ore 10:23 Lodewijk
 ha scritto:
> As part of this conversation, both here online and offline, I seem to hear 
> several people who are unhappy with how the policy is implemented. Let us 
> also recognize that it is important to have a friendly space - and that this 
> is a Hard Thing to accomplish. Agreeing or disagreeing in public with a 
> decision while only having part of the information can only make that job 
> harder and/or harm individuals.
>
> If you have beef with the policy and how it is implemented, I suggest that 
> you try to set up a meetup with the Trust & Safety team, and you can have a 
> conversation with them about the broader policy. They can perhaps share some 
> rough broader statistics as part of that. Otherwise, it is probably more 
> appropriate to have this online discussion after the conference has 
> concluded, based on the policy and practices as a whole, and not an 
> individual case.

First of all, I apologise for my first message, because I
misunderstood Romaine's announcement: I thought it was a voluntary
step down, not a *request* for it.

This all the more saddens me, as I have worked briefly with Romaine as
voluntary on the first day of Wikimania 2016, and I had the
opportunity of seeing first-hand how dedicated and sweet and full of
joy and energy as a volunteer he might be.

Even if I agree with Lodewijk this is not the place to "overrun" the
decision of the T Team, or discuss/amend/whatever Wikimania's Safe
Space Policy, I'd like to get my message considered as a public
display of thankfulness and appreciation for Romaine's work throughout
the years, not as an explicit critic to anyone - but to be fully
honest, I'm quite puzzled by the decision nonetheless.

Cheers,

-- 
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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Sad news

[Luca Martinelli]

I don't know what to say, except for "think it again tomorrow morning" and
"don't do it".

Hugs,

L.

Il gio 19 lug 2018, 21:31 Romaine Wiki  ha scritto:

> Dear all,
>
> Right now I am feeling much hurt after a conversation I just had.
>
> What has happened?
> - People say I have been talking to loud, however I do not know where that
> was, but for those who complained about that: I am very sorry, not my
> intention. Please be aware I have a hearing problem and I do hear myself
> much less, as well as I have periodically tinnitus
> .
> I would appreciate it very much if anyone who notices I speak to loud, to
> tell me, I do not want to disturb or invasive or ...
>
> - People have said that with some people I have been standing to close to
> them or I may have touched a shoulder. I am very very sorry if that gave
> anyone a bad feeling. Such is never my intention. Because of my bad hearing
> I might also stand closer to people.
> I am pretty sensitive myself to this as well, and I always try to respect
> the personal space of others as I would love anyone at the conference to
> feel well.
>
> About two years ago I was the subject of harassment myself, resulting in
> that I felt horrible for two weeks and couldn't do anything in the
> movement. Having it experienced myself, I am feeling horrible that I
> brought others in the situation that made them feel terrible.
> It feels for me really bad with helping someone that it results in the
> other having an uncomfortable feeling.
>
>
> Also during the day I walked in a room during a session to hand out, on
> request, something to the someone in the room, and left almost immediately.
> Some hours later I heard that one of the presenters in the room got
> stressed by my short presence in the room. I feel sorry if I may have
> disturbed this session in some way, and hope that the presenter will not
> hold a grudge. I am open for a conversation if needed.
> Either way, this resulted in an official complaint on my address.
>
> Because of these complaints, it was demanded to step down as a volunteer
> organiser for this year's Wikimania.
>
> I am very sorry that it has influence on my support of this conference,
> but I will be around.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Romaine
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18

[Luca Martinelli]

2018-05-31 21:31 GMT+02:00 Harry Mitchell :
> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
> faces year in, year out.

Former WM-IT Board member here. Actually, Wikimedia Italia does host a
scholarship programme since 2011, open to both WM-IT associates and
Italian wikimedians. Depending on the destination, we always granted
every year 6 to 8 scholarships (plus up to 2 places for Board members,
and depending on staff availability, up to 2 places for them). In
2016, we actually handed out 10 full scholarships and 10 partial
scholarships ('cause travel expenses were more easy to cover).

From my experience, it's difficult to fill up the ranks sometimes with
new people. Our internal rules actually give preference to people who
never attended Wikimania, as well as to women - still, we were
"forced" to award scholarships to the same people sometimes, because
we were lacking other eligible people. In particular, most of the most
active Italian wikipedians DO NOT apply for a WM-IT scholarship (or
WMF, AFAIK).

This is yet another variable we're not considering enough, I think: if
new people do not apply, it's harder to award them a scholarship.

L.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Personal stories about Wikimedia / free portrait photos

[Luca Martinelli]

Sorry, just a general and kind request to *stick to the topic*.

If you want to discuss copyvio and/or paid editing and/or potentially
criminal behaviour of users, please change the topic accordingly.

Thank you.

L.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Montreal airbnb for a group

[Luca Martinelli]

Well, actually I'm looking for a place and there are other two people in my
same situation. :) I'll surely take one, and I'll let you know about the
other two.

L.

Il 18 lug 2017 04:50, "phoebe ayers"  ha scritto:

> Dear all,
>
> I have a 5-bedroom airbnb rented during Wikimania (August 8-14) that I am
> no longer housing a group in (we booked another place) but I messed up and
> can't get a refund on it.
>
> Do you still need a place to stay? Does your group need a place to stay?
> Have you been looking for a nearby airbnb? Let's talk. It is about 15-20
> minutes walk from the venue, looks pretty nice, ~150can/night/person (less
> than the hotel, more than the dorms).
>
> Message me off list ASAP if you are interested!
>
> Thanks,
> Phoebe
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Luca Martinelli]

OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.

Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
the task of eventually solving this?

L.

Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia"  ha scritto:

Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
"The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.


> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>


On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>
>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>
>> Gordo
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Luca Martinelli]

Il 04 nov 2016 21:29, "Gordon Joly" <gordon.j...@pobox.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> On 03/11/16 15:13, Luca Martinelli wrote:
> > Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation?
> > We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is
> > it really a problem?
>
>
> Yes.
>
> I was prompted to make my plea, which I had tentatively made in the past
> few weeks, after hearing a radio programme about the terms used to
> describe (the symptoms of) mental ill health.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b080t8nq
>
> ***
> How often do you use words like mad, crazy and schizophrenic in every
> day conversation? What impact does this have on people with mental
> health problems? To discuss this we brought together Niall Boyce, the
> Editor of the Lancet Psychiatry, linguist Dr Zsofia Demjen, and Clive
> Buckenham, an ambassador for Time to Change.
> ***
>
> Another term that is also misused is "schizophrenic" (not a split
> personality, but a serious mental illness). Which by a similar logic is
> OK since it has been used a very large number of times in conversation?
>
> OCD is also used incorrectly.
>
> Wikimania correctly concerns itself with the diversity of participants.
> Sexual orientation, gender, physical disability and mental illness and
> more. My assertion is that we should change the name, even if is it just
> a minority who feel that is not correct and proper (in the year 2016).
> Many terms used in the past are now not considered appropriate.
>
> Gordo
>
> P.S. I was at Frankfurt, for the first Wikimania Conference.

I respectfully disagree. The "-mania" suffix is used in tons of non-medical
situations to describe a frenzy, a buzz about something, it's a well
established metaphor. Think of "Beatlesmania": nobody will think of it as a
*real* disease, though some old-fashioned columnist would have thought it
to be so.

I'll give you another example: a famous journalist, back in the days, wrote
an op-ed to criticize football fans, comparing their "mania" to typhoid
fever. Guess what term we use to describe football fans in Italy? "Tifosi",
which can be loosely translated as "sick from typhus". Everybody uses that
word, virtually nobody knows the backstory - but AFAIK nobody
underestimated the threat of endemic illnesses in Italy because of that.

I get your point in being respectful towards people who suffer of diseases,
but my humble opinion is that this discussion won't conclude anything, and
on a lesser level that there is no compelling reason why we should change.
Thus, my disillusioned mail.

L.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Luca Martinelli]

Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation?
We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it
really a problem?

L.

Il 03 nov 2016 14:29, "Chris Keating"  ha
scritto:

> Well, the idea of "-mania" meaning "collective outpouring of enthusiasm"
> rather than "mental illness" dates to at least the 1960s with Beatlemania,
> even if the original use of the formulation - https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Lisztomania - was intended to have clinical meaning.
>
> I am unaware of any actual objections to this usage from, for instance,
> psychiatrists or mental health organisations.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Stuart Prior <
> stuart.pr...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Mania" is not a word where the meaning has completely changed, and is
>> still evidently used in current psychiatry. https://en.wikiped
>> ia.org/wiki/Mania#References
>>
>> A prescriptivist view of the word would be deciding what it *doesn't*
>> mean, as much as what it *does*.
>> Gordo is rightly pointing out that nowadays it just has more meanings,
>> and has stigmatising qualities like the words "lame", "retard" etc. And we
>> should think about that as a movement that tries to be inclusive.
>>
>> Personally I've always thought that Wikimania needed a name change
>> (Wikimedia Conference needs a name change too). WikiGlobal? WikiSummit?
>> WikiFest?
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 November 2016 at 12:54, Stephan Schulz  wrote:
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy
>>>
>>> > On 03 Nov 2016, at 13:52, Pierre-Selim 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm not specially shocked. In France we have a video game retail
>>> company called Micromania (based on microcomputer and mania), who targeted
>>> video game player (I don't think the name of the company is confused by
>>> anyone as a medical condition or an insult).
>>> >
>>> > Long time ago I heard a good joke about the naming of the conference:
>>> it should be called the Wikimedia Conference and what is call now the
>>> Wikimedia Conference should probably be called Wikimania
>>> >
>>> > 2016-11-03 13:28 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly :
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>> >
>>> > Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>> >
>>> > Gordo
>>> >
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Re: [Wikimania-l] warning: T-shirt bleeds color

[Luca Martinelli]

Does it? I washed it normally and it didn't bleed any colour... strange.

L.

Il 15 lug 2016 21:27, "Asaf Bartov"  ha scritto:

> Hullo.
>
> I have discovered that the Wikimania 2016 T-shirt bleeds its lovely color
> quite liberally, so I recommend you hand-wash it or wash it separately for
> the first few times, until it stops, if you don't want your other clothes
> to gain a new hue. :)
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] "Friendly and inclusive", and Brexit at Wikimania

[Luca Martinelli]

Dear Deryck,

there's a good deal of reasons why there's an etiquette rule in Italy
that states "don't talk about politics at the dinner table". :)

I'm sorry if you felt excluded by us EU citizens, especially by those
(as I am) who deeply care about the future of the EU. If it can be of
any good, quite all of us Italian wikimedians were in absolute shock
when we found out about the outcome of the elections. Most of us
actually thought "remain" would have won.

I will not deny that I was angered by the results. I felt betrayed -
literally - by one of the people I respect and love the most among my
European brethren, and it saddened me the most since it's not rhetoric
when I say that I do consider of the utmost importance the UK
contribution to the EU.

Moreover, please believe me when I say that most of my anger comes
from the fact that I didn't want you to experience the economic and
political troubles you're experiencing right now, and that your
country decided nonetheless to bring on its own head by its own
decision. I feel like I'm watching a friend doing something stupid,
something we all unsuccessfully begged not to do - we all knew this
would end badly, and now we all need to cope with the after-effects we
wanted to avoid.

I do understand your attempts at looking the glass half-full, but
probably it wasn't just "the right time". Probably, it won't be for
quite some time for some of us. It will surely be a sensitive issue
for me for a long, long time.

That doesn't mean that, if someone offended you because of your ideas
and/or the general outcome of the elections, he/she did the right
thing -- he/she didn't. You're entitled to your opinion and your
ideas, as well as you're entitled not to be "charged" with the
responsibility of a choice in which you had a negligible part. In
other words, it's not your fault if your opinion (my opinion) didn't
win the referendum.

If this happened, I'm truly sorry. I've had my share of lashing
because of my ideas in my life, and I do know how awful this is.
Unfortunately, that's life.

Wikipedia shouldn't be as bitter as life, though. I am a strong
supporter of keeping my ideas in my pocket when I edit Wikipedia or
any other Wikimedia project. I try to be as neutral as I can, and if I
can't I just excuse myself from the discussion. I did it lots of
times, I'll continue to do so. This is what I think it's a "friendly
and inclusive" atmosphere should be, as long as the "xkcd clause"[1]
should not be applied.

[1] https://xkcd.com/1357/

L.

2016-07-09 23:51 GMT+02:00 Deryck Chan :
> I apologise for the somewhat emotionally charged post. Please read to the
> end and I promise my argument will come together...
>
> Wikimania 2016 gave me more emotional hot air than any other previous
> Wikimania except the one I organised (2013). But unusually, the hot air
> didn't arise from disputes about Wikimedia chapter governance or conference
> (dis)organisation. It was about Brexit.
>
> (For the record, I thought Wikimania Esino was amazingly well-operated.)
>
> Before Wikimania, I had already set out my attitude towards Brexit on a
> Facebook note. I've reposted it on my user-space on the Wikimania 2016 wiki
> so I won't repeat my arguments at length:
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Deryck_Chan/The_reluctant_Remain_voter
>
> The title of my post gives it away - I'm lukewarm towards Brexit.
>
> At Wikimania, the topic of Brexit naturally brought itself up in many
> mealtime conversations between me and Wikimaniacs from other EU countries.
> My opinion on the matter often took conversations towards unhappy
> disagreement, and I would feel excluded from subsequent conversation on the
> same table.
>
> I've never felt so rejected at Wikimania. Most heated debate at Wikimania I
> was involved in took the form of "us vs. y'all", so as inflamed as a debate
> may have been, there would be a "my side". But not this time. My unusual
> perspective as a non-white British (and EU, until UK formally withdraws)
> citizen meant that I had a perspective that was shared by very few others at
> Wikimania. It was like "me vs everyone else".
>
> I felt disenfranchised enough by the referendum debate itself as a non-white
> citizen of the UK. I felt sad enough that I voted Remain but Leave won. I
> wanted to share the little bit of hope I still had about the future, on the
> day Leave was declared victorious, and wasn't appreciated.
>
> I shared my feelings with Daria Cybulska (WMUK staff, Polish origin) and she
> reminded me to be "sensitive" of other people in discussion... an
> instruction I immediately fell foul of in that discussion, as I forgot that
> the UK's withdrawal from the EU will mean fewer opportunities for people
> with similar backgrounds to Daria, as much as the EU's protectionist
> tendencies have been reducing the opportunities for people with similar
> backgrounds to me.
>
> Okay, enough Brexit chat. I promised my argument would come 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Luca Martinelli]

While I STRONGLY SUPPORT a Wikimania in Australia, this is not the
proper thread to discuss it.

Please, let's get back on topic -- how to show some love to the
volunteers who worked their arse off for us all -- or change the topic
of this thread, if we want to discuss the pros and cons of a Wikimania
2018 hosted by the Australian chapter.

Cheers,

L.


2016-06-28 14:28 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra :
> I know for a fact she isnt as she told Andrew Owens our representative such
> in Berlin
>
> On 28 June 2016 at 20:26, Manuel Schneider 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gnangarra,
>>
>> it is a fact that has been in discussion a few times on this list and
>> elsewhere that Wikimania in Australia would be a wonderful thing but
>> something that is not likely to happen, due to the cost of getting
>> everyone there. That said it may not be entirely impossible, but
>> difficult.
>>
>> Anyway I know that Ellie Young is happy to receive any proposal you may
>> have and do a proper due diligence on it! Get in touch with her and see
>> if you two can work out something that is doable, despite the costs!
>>
>> /Manuel
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Say MiLLE GRACIE to all Wikimania volunteers

[Luca Martinelli]

Thanks in advance from Italy... and yes, it's "Grazie", but I think people
will understand the message nevertheless. :D

L.
Il 26 giu 2016 11:43, "Asaf Bartov"  ha scritto:

> Great idea! 
>
> (If you [also] include the Italian phrase, note that it is 'grazie', not
> 'gracie'.)
>
>A.
> On Jun 26, 2016 11:39 AM, "Denise Jansen"  wrote:
>
>> Great idea!
>> Op 26 jun. 2016 11:37 AM schreef "Barbara Fischer" <
>> barbara.fisc...@wikimedia.de>:
>>
>>> Dear list reader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (please forward, endorse and translate)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yesterday evening we sat together and marvelled the splendid spirit of
>>> all the volunteers that made this Wikimania to a jubilee event! Than
>>> WikiAnika came up with a brilliant idea because it easy and symbolic at the
>>> same time:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When you come home, sit down and take your time to wirte a *real
>>> postcard *put a stamp on it, say mille gracie in your language and sen
>>> it to following address:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wikimania
>>>
>>> c/o Comune de Esino
>>>
>>> P.za Pietro Pensa
>>>
>>> I- 23825 Esino Lario (LC)
>>>
>>> Italy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lets send them a thousand postcards from all over the world!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> kindly yours
>>>
>>>
>>> Barbara Fischer
>>> Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften
>>>
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>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-(0)44
>>>
>>> http://wikimedia.de
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
>>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
>>> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Comitato Wikimania Esino Lario 2016

[Luca Martinelli]

???

L.
Il 13 mar 2016 23:40, "Bohdan Melnychuk"  ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> Please take a look at the discussion I initiate here:
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registration#Comitato_Wikimania_Esino_Lario_2016
> It is about becoming a member of Comitato Wikimania Esino Lario 2016 as
> asked in Wikimania registration process.
>
> Yours,
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

[Luca Martinelli]

015-10-06 9:12 GMT+02:00 WereSpielChequers :
> But will there be fewer losers and less wasted effort under the continental 
> rotation system?

IMHO yes. It is better to be 100% sure that a location WILL be chosen
for a particular event, instead of saying "well, we're bidding, so for
now we will book the place, and then we may confirm in $number
months". We also have to take into account that also venues have
managements, and a certain degree of certainty surely helps to lower
the costs: Economics teach that uncertainty is a cost, and every cost
is to be paid by the last link of the chain, which is the attendee.

Also, I want to make a direct reference to the Manila 2016 Committee:
if I have to think how should they feel right now after the 2016 bid
procedure, I'd put my money on the "pissed-off-as-a-venomous-snake"
option. And they have good reasons to be that pissed off, because
surely they put lots of efforts in it... and then all disappeared,
like magic.

I myself am kinda in a same position (I probably have to tell someone
that I have to cancel an event I was actually pushing hard to realise,
after three months of efforts and many changes to the schedule), so I
totally feel for them. And Iolanda too, which is on the "winning" side
of the 2016 bid procedure, knows it, this is why she explicitly said
that line about "no more losers, more concerting". Because such a
delusion may undermine your "faith" in the movement, and let you do
less, instead of more for it - and with good reasons. I'd totally,
totally understand such a decision.

In the end, this change IS about not wasting someone's efforts. I am
most of the time in favour of free competition, but free competition
sometimes doesn't allow for a "soft" conclusion, which in our case
would be the best solution not to alienate people who care and are
willing to work. See Gnangarra message for an example.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Coming up with a new process for Wikimania selection

[Luca Martinelli]

2015-10-04 21:37 GMT+02:00 Michał Buczyński :
> I am also surprised that e.g. Gdańsk is in "Eastern Europe". And you put it
> in one venue bucket with Uzbekistan for some reason.
> Or that you "want to ensure that, every third year, Wikimania will take
> place neither in Europe nor North America."  Combining these two would mean
> we could wait for a Wikimania in Ukraine, Poland, Mexico (Northern America)
> or some other "Eastern European" country (whatever it means here) forever.
>
> For the future, I would like to ask you and your committee for a more
> careful wording and a careful definition of geographic terms you want to
> use.

2015-10-04 21:44 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk :
> Michal's comments reflect part of what I'm thinking - and I think the exact
> splits of the regions may require some further discussions. Given the notes
> I've seen elsewhere, I trust that this is a first draft of the exact
> outlines of the regions, and not necessarily definitive? For example, I was
> also surprised to see your definition of 'North America' being US + Canada,
> and not to include Mexico.

While I do agree with the necessity of a reform of the Wikimania
bidding process, I have to say that I totally quote those two passages
from Michal and Lodewijk. My main concern is how the areas will be
defined (and probably the UN macro-region division doesn't work that
well), and secondly how the areas will rotate.

At the moment, I do acknowledge that the "Western World" may have more
users than other areas, but if our idea is (to quote James himself)
"to support the movement worldwide", allowing countries that are not
the US, Canada or
just-any-European-country-that-is-not-a-Central-Eastern-Europe-country
to organise just one in three Wikimania IMHO won't work.

Anyway, let's just think of how to refine this draft. :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Coming up with a new process for Wikimania selection

[Luca Martinelli]

2015-10-04 23:01 GMT+02:00 aude :
> On Oct 4, 2015 8:10 PM, "James Forrester"  wrote:
>> We  propose that a sequence of "Western, Northern, and Southern Europe",
>> "Canada and United States", and one of the others every three years, picked
>> out several years into the future.
>
> I am not convinced this is a good idea, given this definition of regions.
>
> Eastern Europe should definitely be considered along with western, southern,
> ...  It is pretty cheap to travel there from elsewhere in europe, probably
> venue + accommodations are cheaper, and most important we have significant
> communities there with track record of organising regional conferences.
> I would also be tempted to include north Africa and middle east with europe.
> (after all, the next European hackathon is being held in Israel)

I think that the mistake comes from the UN macroregion system, which
is unfortunately still affected by Cold War considerations for what it
may concern the "Eastern Europe" macroregion.

Moving from James' idea of a three-years rotation between regions, and
taking into account Katie's idea, we may define three rotating areas:
* First year: Europe + Middle East + North Africa
* Second year: Americas + Oceania
* Third year: rest of Asia + Sub-Saharan Africa

This will give Global North a slight statistical advantage over Global
South (all of Europe is included in GN) the first year, a 50/50 chance
the second year, while on the third year it will be Global South to
have a slight statistical advantage over Global North.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you to our hosts

[Luca Martinelli]

I too want to give my personal cheers to the organising team and especially
the volunteers. They did a wonderful job, and they should be given a time
to get to the podium and receive their deserved applause. :)

I hope that the next year we Italians will be able to provide an equivalent
result -- it will be difficult, but we'll try very hard. :)

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Il 19/lug/2015 14:42, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org ha scritto:

 +1

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Subramanya Sastry
 ssas...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  I loved the food, and as a vegetarian, felt well-accomodated!

 +100 for labels near the food (and for spicy things!)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Soumaya reception

[Luca Martinelli]

I think they already know it, considering their endless meeting on the
logistic issues. ;)

Anyway, yesterday it was fun, too bad for the rain that prevented people to
go outside for a chat - but this isn't something that can be blamed on the
organising committee. :D

L.
Il 19/lug/2015 09:26, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Thanks so much for your kind comments. The next Wikimania team needs to
 know that moving +500 people with rain and traffic is a very complex
 challenge!

 2015-07-19 9:02 GMT-05:00 Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com:

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Chris Keating
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
  DON'T advertise food and drink  when you mean a glass of fruit juice
 and
  finger food

 Pretty please.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Luca Martinelli]

+1 on the compliments, but I must say the session I talked in was recorded.
Not sure about the session I'm attending now, but yes, we need to find a
solution. Has anyone a recorder to share?

L.
Il 17/lug/2015 16:18, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org ha
scritto:

 Hello,

 First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing
 team
 for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended.
 It's
 easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work
 explicitly.

 My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go
 unrecorded.
 In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were
 recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for
 the
 videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting
 sites,
 but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record
 is
 lost forever.

 We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating
 great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our
 community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at
 Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for
 our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8
 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in.

 I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania,
 but
 I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all
 sessions
 (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania Documentary Done

[Luca Martinelli]

2015-02-06 12:16 GMT+01:00 Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com:
 Good morning,

 With this email, I say I am done with editing the wikimania videos I took
 last year in London.

 In all, I did one documentary of Wikimania and give interviews parts,
 involving about 6 different languages from all parts of world.

 All the videos are currently on YouTube. Commons will see all the videos
 soon. I'm waiting to get full consent from all the individuals involved in
 all the 5 separate interviews, then I'll batch upload them all onto Commons
 in likely webm format.

 All the videos, when ready will be in this one Playlist on Youtube:
 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWEYPtH04KyJFW6J7IatCww1H5wZ9xWGM

Dear Nkansah, thank you very much for your video! We'll share it on
Wikimedia Italia channels too. :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Is Wikimania for contributors?

[Luca Martinelli]

Il 13/ago/2014 21:02 Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com ha scritto:
 In the Future of Wikimania session this year, I also reiterated my hope
for a newbie or maker pavilion in future conferences, where the
emphasis would be teaching new skills to each other. Why not have hardware
such as book scanning, flatbed scanning, filmmaking and other tools for
folks to quickly collaborate.

^ this.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Category for monkey selfie of Wikimedians!

[Luca Martinelli]

Dear Joseph,

I am confident that your point, now that the conference is over, is
clear. Can we please drop this thread, since what is done, is done,
and since that many wikipedians did not share your point of view, and
they made it clear by shooting so many monkey selfies?

Thanks a lot,

L.

2014-08-12 0:20 GMT+02:00 Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com:
 Pretty sure this was spontaneous but I can't imagine for a moment the social
 media team had nothing to do with it - the photo was printed in colour
 dozens of times purely for this!

 Joe

 Joseph Fox
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 On 11 August 2014 23:05, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 Correct me if i'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge this was mostly
 spontaneous during the hackathon? If it was social media team then it wad a
 job well done, but that ix not how i perceived it.

 Lodewijk

 On Aug 11, 2014 12:07 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I’ll agree with that, Tom. It strikes me as the social media team jumping
 at a chance to go viral - which in fairness is sort of their job. It sucks
 that these kinds of roles can be as unintentionally dickish as in this case.

 Joe

 On 11 August 2014 at 12:01:38 am, Tom Morris (t...@tommorris.org) wrote:

 Thomas Morton wrote:
  I find this a bit distasteful, rather akin to rubbing it in the
  photographers face.
 
  Its fine to take a stand on a point of copyright.
 
  But being dicks about winning is surely not the sort of attitude we
  want
  to display? Hardly helps support our stance as serious, rather than
  trollish.
 

 Agreed. It is rather tacky, juvenile and slightly unpleasant. Be
 magnanimous in victory and all that. It'd be nice to know who thought
 take a photo with the monkey selfie was a useful and productive piece
 of free culture activism. Because it just makes us look like mean jerks.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Win a Stroopwafel T-Shirt (last chance)

[Luca Martinelli]

HOW COME I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS!

I'll drop by after this session. Save me a stroopwaffel!

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2014-08-09 10:34 GMT+01:00 Denise Jansen jan...@wikimedia.nl:
 Hey all,

 Today is your last chance to join in the competition and win the limited
 edition 2014 Stroopwafel T-Shirt.

 All you have to do is make a stroopwafel themed selfie and upload it to the
 'Stroopwafel' category on Wikimedia Commons.

 If you need a stroopwafel, visit the Wikimedia Nederland info table at the
 Community Village.

 See you there!

 Denise Jansen
 Communicatie en Community support
 Wikimedia Nederland

 tel. + 31 6  2952 0069

 Wikimedia Nederland organiseert het hele jaar door diverse activiteiten. Ook
 u bent daar van harte welkom. Kijk voor meer informatie op onze website.


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[Wikimania-l] A message in the bottle for Pigsonthewings

[Luca Martinelli]

My sincere apologies to EVERYONE who's not Pigsonthewings here, but...
is (s)he in the list?

I know that Cristian (from FDC) tried to redirect him/her to me
yesterday, but it didn't work. I'll be 'round the Wikimedia Italy
stand during lunch, I think, so if you're reading this, reach me
there. :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Anyone up for a Korean restaurant tonight?

[Luca Martinelli]

Why not? :)

I'll pass the idea to the other Italians.

L.
Il 06/ago/2014 19:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il ha
scritto:

 ;-)



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Re: [Wikimania-l] In your delegate bags, the Wikimedia UK branded disk

[Luca Martinelli]

It was delicious. My dentist also called me and said to me to congratulate
you on the choice. :P

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Il 06/ago/2014 17:18 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 Dear Wikimanians,

 People have asked about the Wikimedia UK branded sweet in the delegate
 bags. It is a traditional British delicacy called rock
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_%28confectionery%29. One of our
 vegetarians has checked and it does not contain either gelatine or
 cochineal or anything else that would make it unacceptable to vegetarians
 or indeed vegans. However dentists and diabetics may be less happy as it is
 rather high in sucrose.


 Regards

 Jonathan Cardy aka WereSpielChequers.


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