Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
+1 to that! On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 1:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Jan Ainali j...@ainali.com wrote: Well a good work-around there is to live stream the sessions. That way no one, neither volunteers or professionals need to do anything after the conference. In Gdansk 2010 all sessions were live streamed. That no Wikimania after that has held up to that standard is confusing me. That is actually a good example of a bad example. :) The sessions were indeed live-streamed, and it actually worked. But to this day, this category is empty: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2010_presentation_videos Despite the sessions _also_ being recorded, in all four tracks, the recordings have disappeared with the vendor under confusing circumstances, and several attempts to recover them have all foundered (I never found out the details); the recordings are lost to the movement to this day. More generally, I'll say the arguments made in favor of recording (particularly by Andrew Lih, Victor Grigas, and Ed Saperia) are persuasive to me, and I'm in favor of the extra investment in the future. A. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
I very much agree with Ed in both accounts: 1) video production requires a professional team 2) Views were fairly high for the limited promotion and such put into sharing the videos. I think though our social media reach in 2014 was a lot better because we had a lot if volunteers working around communications. Naureen On Friday, 14 August 2015, Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com wrote: However, I would suggest looking hard at the stats on how often videos are viewed (and if there is a way to know if they are viewed all the way through or not). For Wikimania 2014, the Youtube page https://www.youtube.com/user/WikimaniaLondon/videos and livestream https://livestream.com/wikimania show some stats (videos are also available in Commons so some views may not be captured in the former pages). On livestream, were videos were shared first, the most viewed video shows 2,359 views, it is not hard to find videos in the 100-500 view range, and others just have less than 20 views. It's certainly a professional job to get all the session video produced and published in good time after the conference. No volunteer team could do this, it requires a LOT of equipment, professional expertise and hard work. To me, the view numbers seem *excellent -* if you consider the conference in terms of price-per-attendee, spending 5% more so that additional hundreds can see the content is an order of magnitude better value. *Edward Saperia* Conference Director Wikimania London http://www.wikimanialondon.com email javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','edsape...@gmail.com'); • facebook http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia • twitter http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG -- *Naureen Nayyar* Norabean.com +1.646.481.6672 @norabean ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
As another anecdotal data point, I had a technical discussion go awry this week because someone was pointed to my slides, which I'd written assuming the sessions would be recorded (ie, I didn't spend time on extensive speaker notes). The reader got confused without the context of the spoken talk, and wrote a moderately-hot flame about what they assumed my talk must have been about based on the slides (missing the point, I'm afraid). So: without video not only are the slides I posted not useful, they seem to have been actively *detrimental* to the cause. It would be better if I hadn't posted them. Certainly part of the blame is mine for being overly clever in my talk (jokes and tone of voice being hard to capture on slides). But I do wish we'd taken the time to archive this little bit of the world's knowledge when it happened. Looks like I'm going to have to re-present the talk at some point in order to get it properly recorded. --scott ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Every Wikimania has its strengths, and its weaknesses. Most Wikimanias are organised by a great group of volunteers - often the bottle neck. That also offers an advantage: if you care a lot about a specific issue (like live streaming), that gives you the opportunity to volunteer to organise that, and make it happen in an awesome way. It does not guarantee that it happens (because you also need equipment etc), but with a dedicated volunteer to make it happen, who could potentially even rally to get the funding for it (grants anyone?), you significantly increase the odds. Lodewijk On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Jan Ainali j...@ainali.com wrote: Well a good work-around there is to live stream the sessions. That way no one, neither volunteers or professionals need to do anything after the conference. In Gdansk 2010 all sessions were live streamed. That no Wikimania after that has held up to that standard is confusing me. /Jan Ainali On August 14, 2015, Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com wrote: However, I would suggest looking hard at the stats on how often videos are viewed (and if there is a way to know if they are viewed all the way through or not). For Wikimania 2014, the Youtube page https://www.youtube.com/user/WikimaniaLondon/videos and livestream https://livestream.com/wikimania show some stats (videos are also available in Commons so some views may not be captured in the former pages). On livestream, were videos were shared first, the most viewed video shows 2,359 views, it is not hard to find videos in the 100-500 view range, and others just have less than 20 views. It's certainly a professional job to get all the session video produced and published in good time after the conference. No volunteer team could do this, it requires a LOT of equipment, professional expertise and hard work. To me, the view numbers seem *excellent -* if you consider the conference in terms of price-per-attendee, spending 5% more so that additional hundreds can see the content is an order of magnitude better value. *Edward Saperia* Conference Director Wikimania London http://www.wikimanialondon.com email edsape...@gmail.com • facebook http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia • twitter http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Jan Ainali j...@ainali.com wrote: Well a good work-around there is to live stream the sessions. That way no one, neither volunteers or professionals need to do anything after the conference. In Gdansk 2010 all sessions were live streamed. That no Wikimania after that has held up to that standard is confusing me. That is actually a good example of a bad example. :) The sessions were indeed live-streamed, and it actually worked. But to this day, this category is empty: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2010_presentation_videos Despite the sessions _also_ being recorded, in all four tracks, the recordings have disappeared with the vendor under confusing circumstances, and several attempts to recover them have all foundered (I never found out the details); the recordings are lost to the movement to this day. More generally, I'll say the arguments made in favor of recording (particularly by Andrew Lih, Victor Grigas, and Ed Saperia) are persuasive to me, and I'm in favor of the extra investment in the future. A. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Well a good work-around there is to live stream the sessions. That way no one, neither volunteers or professionals need to do anything after the conference. In Gdansk 2010 all sessions were live streamed. That no Wikimania after that has held up to that standard is confusing me. /Jan Ainali On August 14, 2015, Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com wrote: However, I would suggest looking hard at the stats on how often videos are viewed (and if there is a way to know if they are viewed all the way through or not). For Wikimania 2014, the Youtube page https://www.youtube.com/user/WikimaniaLondon/videos and livestream https://livestream.com/wikimania show some stats (videos are also available in Commons so some views may not be captured in the former pages). On livestream, were videos were shared first, the most viewed video shows 2,359 views, it is not hard to find videos in the 100-500 view range, and others just have less than 20 views. It's certainly a professional job to get all the session video produced and published in good time after the conference. No volunteer team could do this, it requires a LOT of equipment, professional expertise and hard work. To me, the view numbers seem excellent - if you consider the conference in terms of price-per-attendee, spending 5% more so that additional hundreds can see the content is an order of magnitude better value. Edward Saperia Conference Director Wikimania London http://www.wikimanialondon.com email edsape...@gmail.com•facebook http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia•twitter http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia•07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Hi, when can we expect the missing videos from the auditorium to be uploaded to Commons? There already some videos of the conference viewable at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2015_presentation_videos , but especially Sunday's presentations still seem to be missing. Cheers, Philip On 5 August 2015 at 14:45, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Now that’s a good idea! The possible problem is that the criteria for awarding scholarships does not necessarily mean any particular competency in video recording (I’m guessing journalism students might be a bit more capable in this area) but it’s worth a try. And why limit it to scholarship holders? Why not extend it to anyone attending on donor money including WMF staff? With that total number of people, then the obligation on any individual isn’t large (doesn’t overly interfere with their ability to attend the sessions they want) and the risk of failure of an individual to do it well enough doesn’t expose the exercise as a whole to too much risk. Kerry *From:* wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Lih *Sent:* Thursday, 6 August 2015 3:33 AM *To:* Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions I think a good use of our scholarship money would be to ask for service obligations, such as being part of the video recording crew. I've been part of professional journalism organizations and this is done annually with great results -- we call it the student newsroom. Applicants who are accepted get a full scholarship to attend, have a well-defined set of service obligations around reporting on the conference, and the benefit is that they get to see other sessions and rub shoulders with people they would have otherwise never get to meet. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:59 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect if we put out a call in advance we would be able to get a lot of the equipment we need. I would have brought a tripod for this wikimania if I'd known in advance it was needed (not so likely to be possible next year as I may need to bring a tent and sleeping bag). On 3 August 2015 at 19:40, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and a documentary available soon. People involved in this will presumably be posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc. I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms. (I think that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V service has good audio especially.) We could then ask for volunteers on site to handle logistics/recordings. This wouldn’t involve a lot of editing or post-production work/expense… as long as people know that it would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially. I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for partcipation to make this happen next year? Ellie WMF Conference Coordinator On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those? Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
If your talk was Would you like some artificial intelligence with that? then it was! See this video about 28 minutes in: https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-101 -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:21 AM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
For the most part I agree with Kerry Raymond - Ideally we'd do what was done in London and hire professionals. Failing that, I think that the solution is to have a hired production manager and a small army of volunteers who have passed some kind of bar of understanding of how video/audio works. The manager can give a crash course at the beginning of the event, and keep track of all the recordings as they come in. This gives the volunteers the ability to document their own movement (while they are excited). On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: If your talk was Would you like some artificial intelligence with that? then it was! See this video about 28 minutes in: https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-101 -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:21 AM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
I think a good use of our scholarship money would be to ask for service obligations, such as being part of the video recording crew. I've been part of professional journalism organizations and this is done annually with great results -- we call it the student newsroom. Applicants who are accepted get a full scholarship to attend, have a well-defined set of service obligations around reporting on the conference, and the benefit is that they get to see other sessions and rub shoulders with people they would have otherwise never get to meet. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:59 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect if we put out a call in advance we would be able to get a lot of the equipment we need. I would have brought a tripod for this wikimania if I'd known in advance it was needed (not so likely to be possible next year as I may need to bring a tent and sleeping bag). On 3 August 2015 at 19:40, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and a documentary available soon. People involved in this will presumably be posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc. I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms. (I think that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V service has good audio especially.) We could then ask for volunteers on site to handle logistics/recordings. This wouldn’t involve a lot of editing or post-production work/expense… as long as people know that it would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially. I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for partcipation to make this happen next year? Ellie WMF Conference Coordinator On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those? Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM,
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to engage with the conference, not spend the whole conference messing around with video equipment. And if the videos are not captured well in the first place, it’s hard to fix those problems after the event. Also video postprocessing is mostly done after the event (it’s too busy during the event). What people (who don’t organise conferences) don’t seem to understand is that for organisers, the end of the conference means a return to their normal activities. For months, they’ve been putting off their boss, colleagues, family and friends with “please, can this wait until after the conference”. Of course, there are post-conference actions that have to be done (payments and accounts finalised, thank you letters written, reports written, etc) but, as far as your boss/colleagues/family/friends are concerned, the conference is OVER – you have no favours left, you have to make it up to them. It’s hard enough to fit in the minimum post-conference actions that you have to do, let alone extra things like high quality videos. And the adrenaline that allowed you and your volunteers to get everything done before and during the conference has now deserted you; you’ve run your race and have nothing left in your tank. So videoing and postprocessing often ends up being done by professionals, meaning a lot of money spent. It’s so easy to say “use volunteers” but the thing about volunteers is that they do the things they want when they feel like doing them to the extent of their ability. And doing them in the middle of the conference and after the conference is not a great time for that (they want to engage with the conference and they need to return to their normal duties after the event too). And you might have the volunteers but who just don’t have that skill set. Also unless you get those videos out quickly, nobody will watch them – the momentum is lost. In summary, I think it is much cheaper and easier to collect presentation slides or speaker notes or whatever other material the presenter has and make them available as a way to get conference content to non-attendees and this should be the preferred strategy for the bulk of presentations. Videos should be limited to keynotes or talks expected to be of particular interest. Stats on viewing and perhaps surveying on how much of the videos are being viewed should be collected to see how much the videos are actually used. And look at using professionals to do the video work, unless you really do have suitably skilled volunteers available (and not committed to other tasks), if you want the videos to be of good quality and be available quickly. Kerry *From:* wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *?? *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 August 2015 4:22 AM *To:* Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital
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Now that’s a good idea! The possible problem is that the criteria for awarding scholarships does not necessarily mean any particular competency in video recording (I’m guessing journalism students might be a bit more capable in this area) but it’s worth a try. And why limit it to scholarship holders? Why not extend it to anyone attending on donor money including WMF staff? With that total number of people, then the obligation on any individual isn’t large (doesn’t overly interfere with their ability to attend the sessions they want) and the risk of failure of an individual to do it well enough doesn’t expose the exercise as a whole to too much risk. Kerry From: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Lih Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2015 3:33 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions I think a good use of our scholarship money would be to ask for service obligations, such as being part of the video recording crew. I've been part of professional journalism organizations and this is done annually with great results -- we call it the student newsroom. Applicants who are accepted get a full scholarship to attend, have a well-defined set of service obligations around reporting on the conference, and the benefit is that they get to see other sessions and rub shoulders with people they would have otherwise never get to meet. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:59 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect if we put out a call in advance we would be able to get a lot of the equipment we need. I would have brought a tripod for this wikimania if I'd known in advance it was needed (not so likely to be possible next year as I may need to bring a tent and sleeping bag). On 3 August 2015 at 19:40, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org mailto:eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and a documentary available soon. People involved in this will presumably be posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc. I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms. (I think that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V service has good audio especially.) We could then ask for volunteers on site to handle logistics/recordings. This wouldn’t involve a lot of editing or post-production work/expense… as long as people know that it would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially. I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for partcipation to make this happen next year? Ellie WMF Conference Coordinator On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com mailto:josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those? Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com mailto:to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org mailto:abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video
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to their normal duties after the event too). And you might have the volunteers but who just don’t have that skill set. Also unless you get those videos out quickly, nobody will watch them – the momentum is lost. In summary, I think it is much cheaper and easier to collect presentation slides or speaker notes or whatever other material the presenter has and make them available as a way to get conference content to non-attendees and this should be the preferred strategy for the bulk of presentations. Videos should be limited to keynotes or talks expected to be of particular interest. Stats on viewing and perhaps surveying on how much of the videos are being viewed should be collected to see how much the videos are actually used. And look at using professionals to do the video work, unless you really do have suitably skilled volunteers available (and not committed to other tasks), if you want the videos to be of good quality and be available quickly. Kerry *From:* wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *?? *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 August 2015 4:22 AM *To:* Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org
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. It’s hard enough to fit in the minimum post-conference actions that you have to do, let alone extra things like high quality videos. And the adrenaline that allowed you and your volunteers to get everything done before and during the conference has now deserted you; you’ve run your race and have nothing left in your tank. So videoing and postprocessing often ends up being done by professionals, meaning a lot of money spent. It’s so easy to say “use volunteers” but the thing about volunteers is that they do the things they want when they feel like doing them to the extent of their ability. And doing them in the middle of the conference and after the conference is not a great time for that (they want to engage with the conference and they need to return to their normal duties after the event too). And you might have the volunteers but who just don’t have that skill set. Also unless you get those videos out quickly, nobody will watch them – the momentum is lost. In summary, I think it is much cheaper and easier to collect presentation slides or speaker notes or whatever other material the presenter has and make them available as a way to get conference content to non-attendees and this should be the preferred strategy for the bulk of presentations. Videos should be limited to keynotes or talks expected to be of particular interest. Stats on viewing and perhaps surveying on how much of the videos are being viewed should be collected to see how much the videos are actually used. And look at using professionals to do the video work, unless you really do have suitably skilled volunteers available (and not committed to other tasks), if you want the videos to be of good quality and be available quickly. Kerry *From:* wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *?? *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 August 2015 4:22 AM *To:* Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com
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-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ?? Sent: Tuesday, 4 August 2015 4:22 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org mailto:abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com mailto:nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and a documentary available soon. People involved in this will presumably be posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc. I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms. (I think that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V service has good audio especially.) We could then ask for volunteers on site to handle logistics/recordings. This wouldn’t involve a lot of editing or post-production work/expense… as long as people know that it would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially. I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for partcipation to make this happen next year? Ellie WMF Conference Coordinator On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those? Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com mailto:to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org mailto:abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com mailto:and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com http://www.andrewlih.com/ BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com http://www.wikipediarevolution.com/ PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com mailto:nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I suspect if we put out a call in advance we would be able to get a lot of the equipment we need. I would have brought a tripod for this wikimania if I'd known in advance it was needed (not so likely to be possible next year as I may need to bring a tent and sleeping bag). On 3 August 2015 at 19:40, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and a documentary available soon. People involved in this will presumably be posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc. I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms. (I think that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V service has good audio especially.) We could then ask for volunteers on site to handle logistics/recordings. This wouldn’t involve a lot of editing or post-production work/expense… as long as people know that it would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially. I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for partcipation to make this happen next year? Ellie WMF Conference Coordinator On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those? Joe On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew++ I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be. An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to crowd source this. I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod camera? I seen it in other talks too. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
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Hi all, there are some Wikimania 2015 videos available now, guerrilla style: As you may know, there was no central video recording of Wikimania sessions this year. But with my own camcorder and an iPhone 5, I was able to record 26 sessions at Wikimania of varying quality. You can visit them on this page. Any assistance to help annotate or expand on the chart is appreciated. https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos Also, for a glimpse of how arduous the video process can be, see: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos#Details -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: FWIW, I have been audio recording sessions I go to (I'm not set up well for video)--they will not be the best quality but at least they will be there. -Kat On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: It's suboptimal, but here's a video recording I took of our Wikimania 2015 session on Video Production tools (very meta). https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-76 It's an example of what you can do on the run with one camcorder, setup close the loudspeaker. Interestingly, the video recording was processed by the video tool Manuel Schneider and I presented on (double meta!) and side loaded to Internet Archive. I have about 5-7 other sessions recorded and will try to record more today. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: We may have an opportunity to try some of these tactics at a smaller scale at Wikiconference USA later this year. We have few true video cameras among the US affiliates AFAIK but perhaps WMDC, WMF and/ or WEF could rent a few for the occasion. Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
[Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
+1 Cornelius. It is important to keep people in touch and mixing with others outside their local area to maintain strong ties in the organization. Many of us lack either funding or scheduling flexibility to attend the international meetings. I am certain that I am not the only person who has found the videos of past Wikimanias valuable! Different people learn in different ways, and at the end of a long work day, many of us find listening to a video much easier than attempting to make sense of printed text. The videos break down some of the barriers to diversity. When there aren't enough scholarships available for everyone who wants to attend, the video is a way to keep people in touch with the organization and their friends, regardless of their personal economic situation or geographic location. People give up on waiting for the videos if they are not posted promptly, and easy to find on the website. You'd get more audience if they were easier to find. Kristin Wikimedia DC ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Very interesting, Andrew, thanks for posting! I totally agree that after you have let video footage ripen up on your hard drive for a month or more, it is very difficult to convert/edit/upload it as you are emotionally no longer invested in the footage. That is a very valuable point that probably explains why we have so many more photos of Wiki meetups than video footage of Wiki meetups on Commons (let alone all the other stuff that video footage could be used for). Adding the link as the video didn't include it: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Video_Production_Tools_and_Community_in_the_Wikiverse On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: It's suboptimal, but here's a video recording I took of our Wikimania 2015 session on Video Production tools (very meta). https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-76 It's an example of what you can do on the run with one camcorder, setup close the loudspeaker. Interestingly, the video recording was processed by the video tool Manuel Schneider and I presented on (double meta!) and side loaded to Internet Archive. I have about 5-7 other sessions recorded and will try to record more today. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: We may have an opportunity to try some of these tactics at a smaller scale at Wikiconference USA later this year. We have few true video cameras among the US affiliates AFAIK but perhaps WMDC, WMF and/ or WEF could rent a few for the occasion. Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
FWIW, I have been audio recording sessions I go to (I'm not set up well for video)--they will not be the best quality but at least they will be there. -Kat On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: It's suboptimal, but here's a video recording I took of our Wikimania 2015 session on Video Production tools (very meta). https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-76 It's an example of what you can do on the run with one camcorder, setup close the loudspeaker. Interestingly, the video recording was processed by the video tool Manuel Schneider and I presented on (double meta!) and side loaded to Internet Archive. I have about 5-7 other sessions recorded and will try to record more today. -Andrew -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: We may have an opportunity to try some of these tactics at a smaller scale at Wikiconference USA later this year. We have few true video cameras among the US affiliates AFAIK but perhaps WMDC, WMF and/ or WEF could rent a few for the occasion. Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Andrew++. A. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can attend, so I cannot respond at length. But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives. When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use, that's a major outcome. When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post. When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led us to where the movement is, where will we look? If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and accessible ways is vital. For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by the wayside. -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: and...@andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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What if there was a sign up sheet for volunteers to record talks that aren't being recorded? On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. Even if we only consider the quantity, I wonder how the cost of making the videos compares to the cost of bringing people here. For someone living in a remote part of the globe, the cost of participation at Wikimania is something like $1500-$2000 (plus whatever costs it incurs on the organizers). Multiply that by a few hundred and the number you get is way higher than the video production costs. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. Even if we only consider the quantity, I wonder how the cost of making the videos compares to the cost of bringing people here. For someone living in a remote part of the globe, the cost of participation at Wikimania is something like $1500-$2000 (plus whatever costs it incurs on the organizers). Multiply that by a few hundred and the number you get is way higher than the video production costs. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I agree with Andy for the most part. My rule has always been that even if the image is amazing, if the audio is bad the audience will hate what they are watching and won't know why (it will be because they have to spend extra effort to understand the audio they are hearing). However IMHO for strictly archival and transcription purposes, cheap quick low-quality cellphone/cheap camcorder stuff CAN sometimes work. Also per what Isarra said, if audio is being amplified in any way, it's best to plug your video camera/audio recorder into that source directly, or indirectly https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2015_Wikimania_press_conference-3.jpg : [image: File:2015 Wikimania press conference-3.jpg] Sometimes though, audience members will ask questions, and those might not be recorded. Again, having a professional there helps with this. On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days. And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are also an alternative worth looking into. [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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We may have an opportunity to try some of these tactics at a smaller scale at Wikiconference USA later this year. We have few true video cameras among the US affiliates AFAIK but perhaps WMDC, WMF and/ or WEF could rent a few for the occasion. Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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That's a good idea too. Many Wikimedians have at least average quality cameras with video capability. If we could sync average quality video to high quality audio plus slide uploads to Commons, then I think we would do well. Just note that many cameras are limited to taking a half hour of video per file, which I heard is due to European laws that tax video equipment at higher rates than camera equipment. This may require presenters to pause briefly at half hour intervals for video recording to restart. Thanks, Pine On Jul 18, 2015 3:26 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote: What if there was a sign up sheet for volunteers to record talks that aren't being recorded? On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. Even if we only consider the quantity, I wonder how the cost of making the videos compares to the cost of bringing people here. For someone living in a remote part of the globe, the cost of participation at Wikimania is something like $1500-$2000 (plus whatever costs it incurs on the organizers). Multiply that by a few hundred and the number you get is way higher than the video production costs. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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For future Wikimanias I'm sure there are some chapters that could loan a video camera and just as importantly tripods - handheld video of a talk can be unsatisfactory. We may even be able to get the chapters to edit and upload their bit of the videoing to commons. Regards WereSpielChequers On 18 Jul 2015, at 17:57, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: That's a good idea too. Many Wikimedians have at least average quality cameras with video capability. If we could sync average quality video to high quality audio plus slide uploads to Commons, then I think we would do well. Just note that many cameras are limited to taking a half hour of video per file, which I heard is due to European laws that tax video equipment at higher rates than camera equipment. This may require presenters to pause briefly at half hour intervals for video recording to restart. Thanks, Pine On Jul 18, 2015 3:26 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote: What if there was a sign up sheet for volunteers to record talks that aren't being recorded? On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote: But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the quality of the viewers and not just the quantity. Even if we only consider the quantity, I wonder how the cost of making the videos compares to the cost of bringing people here. For someone living in a remote part of the globe, the cost of participation at Wikimania is something like $1500-$2000 (plus whatever costs it incurs on the organizers). Multiply that by a few hundred and the number you get is way higher than the video production costs. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Victor Grigas Storyteller and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Guillaume, yes, it's nice to have video recording for all Wikimania session - but the question if someone watching them, to worth the money, time and resources. Wikimedia Israel in Wikimania 2011 invest a lot of money to record everything, time and resources to edit the videos (you need to transfer them for all the cameras, convert them) and time (and a huge bandwidth) to upload all of them. It's a lott of resources just for few hundreds people will watch the videos. To be honest? I don't think it worth that.. *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello, First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing team for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended. It's easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work explicitly. My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go unrecorded. In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for the videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting sites, but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record is lost forever. We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in. I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania, but I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all sessions (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids. -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I found it rather disappointing to hear that videos are not being recorded. I posted on the information desk regarding this issue last month, hoping that the organizing team would provide a reply and seek help if necessary. [1] Sadly, the coordination page that I have started would have gone to waste. [2] I believe videos are important. They serve as an archive of the various talks that have happened during Wikimania, and I share the opinion that video recording should be part of the bidding process. The monetary costs may be high, but it benefits many people who are unable to attend the conference to be able to watch the amazing talks offered by the speakers. Thanks. [1]: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Information_Desk#Videos [2]: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de wrote: In my opinion (and in my position as the responsible for the follow-up for the Wikimedia Conference), we invest and spend a lot of money for the Wikimania each year. Despite of having a relatively broad attendance, the sustainability of Wikimania is doubtful, as there is no clear documentation standard and nobody is committed to track what happened actually at Wikimania itself and afterwards. Consistent video recoding, despite being expensive, could be a way to improve that. But it has to be done in a good way. That means, 3-4 weeks after the conference videos must be published (at the latest), relevant session recordings must be shared directly with certain target groups (e.g. a Communication session with the ComCom list). And of course, the video must be uploaded on Commons (not on Youtube), so they easier to integrate on wiki pages. If those standards are met, much more people could actually benefit from the Wikimania, even when they not attended it. E.g., even now videos of interesting and insightful talks of the German internet conference Re:publica are shared in social networks. In the future, that could be also possible for Wikimania talks. Best Cornelius On 18 July 2015 at 02:30, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote: I like Pine's suggestion. Audio is much cheaper (still not free for high quality) and easier than video AND 16 bit .WAV is now a free format. The only consideration is that presentations often involve visual materials. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: If we could get just audio recordings plus slides and any written materials, I think that would be almost as good as video in most cases, at far less cost and complexity. Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Best regards, Hydriz Scholz ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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For many cases I'd see it practical to have volunteer bloggers who would write summaries on what was talked about. Combining that with slides should fix pretty much all recording problems. Wikipedians could also join in and help with recording of some talks and it is fairly easy to just save audio. Spending a great amount of time and money to produce quality videos that barely no-one watches isn't reasonable at all. Yes, some most important talks should be recorded, but not all. Regards Ivo Kuusamägi 2015-07-18 6:23 GMT+03:00 Hydriz Scholz ad...@alphacorp.tk: I found it rather disappointing to hear that videos are not being recorded. I posted on the information desk regarding this issue last month, hoping that the organizing team would provide a reply and seek help if necessary. [1] Sadly, the coordination page that I have started would have gone to waste. [2] I believe videos are important. They serve as an archive of the various talks that have happened during Wikimania, and I share the opinion that video recording should be part of the bidding process. The monetary costs may be high, but it benefits many people who are unable to attend the conference to be able to watch the amazing talks offered by the speakers. Thanks. [1]: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Information_Desk#Videos [2]: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de wrote: In my opinion (and in my position as the responsible for the follow-up for the Wikimedia Conference), we invest and spend a lot of money for the Wikimania each year. Despite of having a relatively broad attendance, the sustainability of Wikimania is doubtful, as there is no clear documentation standard and nobody is committed to track what happened actually at Wikimania itself and afterwards. Consistent video recoding, despite being expensive, could be a way to improve that. But it has to be done in a good way. That means, 3-4 weeks after the conference videos must be published (at the latest), relevant session recordings must be shared directly with certain target groups (e.g. a Communication session with the ComCom list). And of course, the video must be uploaded on Commons (not on Youtube), so they easier to integrate on wiki pages. If those standards are met, much more people could actually benefit from the Wikimania, even when they not attended it. E.g., even now videos of interesting and insightful talks of the German internet conference Re:publica are shared in social networks. In the future, that could be also possible for Wikimania talks. Best Cornelius On 18 July 2015 at 02:30, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote: I like Pine's suggestion. Audio is much cheaper (still not free for high quality) and easier than video AND 16 bit .WAV is now a free format. The only consideration is that presentations often involve visual materials. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: If we could get just audio recordings plus slides and any written materials, I think that would be almost as good as video in most cases, at far less cost and complexity. Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Best regards, Hydriz Scholz ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I suggest we take this on a positive direction and ask the wider community for virtualisation proposals/grants immediately after Wikimania, not just to support Wikimania 2016, but all of our other events, potentially down to the level of edit-a-thons (which I have run successfully with live hangouts + IRC participation with no expenses incurred). Some suggestions in this thread for solutions, such as amateur recording of video casts or audio recording to supplement presentations, are worth facilitating, as would using this conference as a platform to experiment and demonstrate virtual reality presence and remote participation. Even a simple rolling Wikimania google hangout for those that can't be there, to drop in and chat about events and ideas would be great. A someone who is advised to avoid long flights for medical reasons, it would be great to have the opportunity to take part beyond this email and the odd comment on the meta wiki. Reporting the cost of all aspects of Wikimania is critical. Measuring the return on investment for producing videos is an excellent thing to do, though I would expect when this is compared to the returns and environmental impact of so many international flights, there is more that could be done at a cheaper burn rate than the estimated $1,000 / hour. Fae ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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One thing I'd like to do is provide some common infrastructure for this, so anyone with a laptop and a camera they can hook up to it can make a basic recording, live stream it (if the network holds up) and push it up to Commons or at least a staging area when complete. The fancy professionals should be able to hook up their fancy hardware to the same system as well, avoiding the months-long wait for manual transcoding and upload. If venue bandwidth is constrained, start with low resolution output and consider reuploading HD later! But videos aren't the only way to record or consume info; there are other things we can do to make sessions more available. I would also suggest that presentation authors include speakers' notes in their PDF slides -- it's fashionable to have bare slides that don't duplicate your words on projection, but people downloading them afterwards don't have your words to follow along with if you don't attach them. Of course questions and round tables are hard to catch that way... But notes can be taken on etherpads and copied onto the wiki for preservation. -- brion On Friday, July 17, 2015, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: What could we do to make it worth it? How could we make the video recordings more interesting to people to watch? Are the sessions in the main room really the most interesting ones for remote watching? Just a few questions that come up when I read this. Because to be honest, we invest even more money and time in the 'few hundred' people that actually attend the conference. Eventually, it is a matter of finding a balance between value and cost - and I'd love to think a bit more about how we could both increase the value, and decrease the cost. Lodewijk On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','it...@wikimedia.org.il'); wrote: Guillaume, yes, it's nice to have video recording for all Wikimania session - but the question if someone watching them, to worth the money, time and resources. Wikimedia Israel in Wikimania 2011 invest a lot of money to record everything, time and resources to edit the videos (you need to transfer them for all the cameras, convert them) and time (and a huge bandwidth) to upload all of them. It's a lott of resources just for few hundreds people will watch the videos. To be honest? I don't think it worth that.. *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gpaum...@wikimedia.org'); wrote: Hello, First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing team for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended. It's easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work explicitly. My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go unrecorded. In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for the videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting sites, but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record is lost forever. We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in. I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania, but I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all sessions (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids. -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
[Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Hello, First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing team for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended. It's easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work explicitly. My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go unrecorded. In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for the videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting sites, but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record is lost forever. We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in. I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania, but I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all sessions (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids. -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
+1 on the compliments, but I must say the session I talked in was recorded. Not sure about the session I'm attending now, but yes, we need to find a solution. Has anyone a recorder to share? L. Il 17/lug/2015 16:18, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org ha scritto: Hello, First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing team for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended. It's easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work explicitly. My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go unrecorded. In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for the videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting sites, but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record is lost forever. We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in. I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania, but I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all sessions (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids. -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Salut Guillaume, video recording is a real cost driver - you need expensive equipment (as of 1.000 USD / day) and a lot of staff if you want to make it professionally. Sometimes you are lucky and video production is offered by the venue or a video producer is providing sponsorship but otherwise it is really a question of costs. Often the compromise is then to only record the main auditorium and skip the rest. What you can do is to bring your own camera and mic for a Google Hangout session and recording, as I did for the MediaWiki Stakeholder session. This won't be very professional, though. /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I like Pine's suggestion. Audio is much cheaper (still not free for high quality) and easier than video AND 16 bit .WAV is now a free format. The only consideration is that presentations often involve visual materials. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: If we could get just audio recordings plus slides and any written materials, I think that would be almost as good as video in most cases, at far less cost and complexity. Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
So I spoke with the team doing the video recordings this year about 5 weeks ago. This is what I know: *Last year, all the talks were recorded, which cost a lot, and then very few people watched them, so (this was not my decision) the decision was made to only record particular talks this year. *No livestreams were available. *The video team that has been hired has been instructed to incorporate .webm conversion and uploading to commons into their workflow, so expect them to upload as soon as they can. I don;t know when this will be. *All the footage that the video team is shooting will be owned (copyright) by Wikimedia Mexico per their contract, so if there are particular clips you want later, contact WMMX. Per Nkansah's point: I don't recommend buying 10 cameras - the cost of shipping, storing, maintaining all that gear is cumbersome and as the years go on, most cameras will go 'obsolete' - they will function but not be up to moderns standards. For those reasons I do recommend renting gear in locations for large productions, like Wikimania. Hope this helps! On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote: video recording is a real cost driver - you need expensive equipment (as of 1.000 USD / day) and a lot of staff if you want to make it professionally. How good is the idea, that instead of hiring these tools year after year, the WMF/Wikimania grabs a set of, say 10 portable, yet good video cameras, and reuse them from Wikimania's to Wikimania? Unless Wikimania is coming to an end in a couple of years time, I see grabbing such gadgets (if not already available) and making use of them from time to time a valid and profitable long-term investment. Talk of volunteers? I think when a call is put up for volunteer cameramen, we can get them to before every wikimania. Victor brought a great video camera (property of wmf) last year to wikimania. I enjoyed using it, and if there're enough for each session, getting cameramen shouldn't be an issue. The wikimedia community is big, thus aside maybe needing the expert/professional services of production houses to handle live streaming or sort, recording a session (a point and shoot thing), I don't think any rocket science might be needed of which we can find volunteers among us to do that. -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
If we could get just audio recordings plus slides and any written materials, I think that would be almost as good as video in most cases, at far less cost and complexity. Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
video recording is a real cost driver - you need expensive equipment (as of 1.000 USD / day) and a lot of staff if you want to make it professionally. How good is the idea, that instead of hiring these tools year after year, the WMF/Wikimania grabs a set of, say 10 portable, yet good video cameras, and reuse them from Wikimania's to Wikimania? Unless Wikimania is coming to an end in a couple of years time, I see grabbing such gadgets (if not already available) and making use of them from time to time a valid and profitable long-term investment. Talk of volunteers? I think when a call is put up for volunteer cameramen, we can get them to before every wikimania. Victor brought a great video camera (property of wmf) last year to wikimania. I enjoyed using it, and if there're enough for each session, getting cameramen shouldn't be an issue. The wikimedia community is big, thus aside maybe needing the expert/professional services of production houses to handle live streaming or sort, recording a session (a point and shoot thing), I don't think any rocket science might be needed of which we can find volunteers among us to do that. -- +Rexford http://google.com/+Nkansahrexford | khophi.co http://khophi.co/about ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
What could we do to make it worth it? How could we make the video recordings more interesting to people to watch? Are the sessions in the main room really the most interesting ones for remote watching? Just a few questions that come up when I read this. Because to be honest, we invest even more money and time in the 'few hundred' people that actually attend the conference. Eventually, it is a matter of finding a balance between value and cost - and I'd love to think a bit more about how we could both increase the value, and decrease the cost. Lodewijk On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote: Guillaume, yes, it's nice to have video recording for all Wikimania session - but the question if someone watching them, to worth the money, time and resources. Wikimedia Israel in Wikimania 2011 invest a lot of money to record everything, time and resources to edit the videos (you need to transfer them for all the cameras, convert them) and time (and a huge bandwidth) to upload all of them. It's a lott of resources just for few hundreds people will watch the videos. To be honest? I don't think it worth that.. *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello, First of all, I want to congratulate and thank the Wikimania organizing team for putting together one of the best-organized Wikimanias I've attended. It's easy to only notice the problems, so I wanted to call out the great work explicitly. My main disappointment this year is that many sessions seem to go unrecorded. In previous years, I seem to recall that videos for most sessions were recorded, and sometimes even streamed live. It sometimes took months for the videos to be processed and uploaded to Commons or other video hosting sites, but the videos existed. If the session isn't taped at all, then the record is lost forever. We have a lot of talented presenters giving insightful talks and generating great discussions, but only for the benefit of the small subset of our community that's present in the room. If we can't share what happens at Wikimania with our larger community, it seems like a missed opportunity for our movement. Even for Wikimania attendees, when there are up to 8 simultaneous tracks, it's easy to miss sessions you're interested in. I realize it's probably too late to do anything for this year's Wikimania, but I'd like to start a discussion about making video recordings of all sessions (not just a selection of them) a requirement for upcoming Wikimania bids. -- Guillaume Paumier ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
Lodewijk, 18/07/2015 00:03: Just a few questions that come up when I read this. Because to be honest, we invest even more money and time in the 'few hundred' people that actually attend the conference. Yes. Wikimania videos were always published too late, when any interest had already faded. A better comparison would be to look at how many people watch FOSDEM (or CCC?) recordings, to assess how wide an audience could be reached by a *functioning* recording scheme. Nemo ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions
In my opinion (and in my position as the responsible for the follow-up for the Wikimedia Conference), we invest and spend a lot of money for the Wikimania each year. Despite of having a relatively broad attendance, the sustainability of Wikimania is doubtful, as there is no clear documentation standard and nobody is committed to track what happened actually at Wikimania itself and afterwards. Consistent video recoding, despite being expensive, could be a way to improve that. But it has to be done in a good way. That means, 3-4 weeks after the conference videos must be published (at the latest), relevant session recordings must be shared directly with certain target groups (e.g. a Communication session with the ComCom list). And of course, the video must be uploaded on Commons (not on Youtube), so they easier to integrate on wiki pages. If those standards are met, much more people could actually benefit from the Wikimania, even when they not attended it. E.g., even now videos of interesting and insightful talks of the German internet conference Re:publica are shared in social networks. In the future, that could be also possible for Wikimania talks. Best Cornelius On 18 July 2015 at 02:30, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.org wrote: I like Pine's suggestion. Audio is much cheaper (still not free for high quality) and easier than video AND 16 bit .WAV is now a free format. The only consideration is that presentations often involve visual materials. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: If we could get just audio recordings plus slides and any written materials, I think that would be almost as good as video in most cases, at far less cost and complexity. Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- *Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgri...@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
