Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Translations of the "Wikimedia Highlights" for March 2012 available in Русский (Russian), Nederlands (Dutch), Macedonian (Македонски), Italiano (Italian), F

[Samuel Klein]

That's fantastic, as always.  Thank you!   SJ

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:
> The following translation are now available for the March 2012
> "Wikimedia Highlights", which combine some of the most relevant
> information from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia
> engineering report for March 2012 with a selection of other important
> events from the Wikimedia movement. Help is welcome in spreading the
> translated versions among the project communities for these languages,
> where this has not already been done. Many thanks to all translators!
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/ar
> مقتطفات من تقرير مؤسسة ويكيميديا و اتقرير لقسم التقني في ويكيميديا
> لشهر مارس 2012، ومختارات من أحداث هامة من حركة ويكيميديا
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/fr
> Éclairages sur le rapport de la Fondation Wikimédia et le rapport
> d’ingénierie Wikimédia pour mars 2012, avec une sélection d’autres
> événements importants du mouvement Wikimédia
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/it
> Punti salienti dal rapporto della Wikimedia Foundation e dal rapporto
> tecnico Wikimedia di marzo 2012, con una selezione di altre importanti
> iniziative dagli eventi di Wikimedia
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/mk
> Позначајни новости од Извештајот на Фондацијата Викимедија и
> Техничкиот извештај за март 2012, со избор од други важни настани од
> движењето Викимедија
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/nl
> Dit zijn de hoogtepunten uit de Wikimedia Foundationrapportage en de
> Wikimedia technische rapportage voor maart 2012, aangevuld met een
> selectie van andere belangrijke gebeurtenissen binnen de
> Wikimediabeweging
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/ru
> Важные новости из отчёта Фонда Викимедиа за март 2012 и технического
> отчёта за март 2012 года, с подборкой важнейших событий движения
> Викимедиа
>
>
> See for https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012
> for partial translations into other languages. Of course further
> translations continue to be welcome.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Why Do You Contribute to Wikipedia?

[Audrey Abeyta]

Dear Wikipedia contributors,

Your valuable opinions are needed regarding users' motivations to
contribute to Wikipedia. This topic is currently investigated by Audrey
Abeyta, an undergraduate student at the University of California, Santa
Barbara. You can read a more detailed description of the project here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Motivations_to_Contribute_to_Wikipedia

Those willing to participate in this study will complete a brief online
questionnaire, which is completely anonymous and will take approximately
ten minutes. The questionnaire can be accessed here:
https://us1.us.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_8ixU9RkozemzC4s.

The researcher hopes to attain a sample size of at least 100 Wikipedians;
as of now, only 52 have responded. Your contributions to this project's
validity are invaluable!

A final draft of the paper will be made available to the Wikipedia
community.

If you have any questions or concerns about this study, please contact
Audrey Abeyta at audrey.abe...@gmail.com.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

[Sue Gardner]

Hey folks,

For those who've been following this thread -- I wanted to let you
know I've posted a comment from the Wikimedia Foundation, on the talk
page for the meta page James made, here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Travel_Guide#Comment_from_the_Wikimedia_Foundation

I pasted the full text below, for anyone who doesn't want to go to the
wiki. But if you want to discuss it, I think that's arguably better
done on the wiki than a mailing list, in order to keep the
conversation unfragmented.

Thanks,
Sue

Hey folks,

I've been very interested reading the discussions here and on the
mailing lists about whether the Wikimedia movement should start a new
travel project. In response to questions I've been getting privately,
I want to lay out the Wikimedia Foundation's position.

First, a quick recap: The initiator of this idea is enWP editor James
Heilman. James first proposed the idea in an e-mail to me about a
month ago, and a few weeks after that he made a formal proposal on
meta here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Travel_Guide, and
started raising it on the lists. So far, there has been a fair bit of
a discussion – here, and also on wikimedia-l (formerly foundation-l).
Some editors have expressed support; some have been questioning
whether travel fits inside our educational mission, and some have been
discussing how a travel site might handle or interpret NPOV. I've been
pleased, watching the talking, because in my time with the Wikimedia
projects, I have mostly seen new project proposals either ignored or
quickly quashed. IMO this one is getting more serious consideration
than is typical, and I am choosing to interpret that as a signal of
renewed energy in the Wikimedia movement :-)

So. Some thoughts from the Wikimedia Foundation:

* The Wikimedia Foundation is open to the idea of new projects, and is
happy to have the community discussing ideas for new projects.

* Whether it makes sense to create a Wikimedia travel project is a
discussion for the community to have with itself. I encourage you to
continue talking (and I, and the rest of the staff, and the Board,
will continue listening).

* The specifics of how new projects get created are not particularly
clear at this time. I think it would be great for the community to use
this as an opportunity to (re)define a good process for new project
creation, regardless of what happens regarding a travel project. I
imagine that a good process might look something like this (combining
the process that approved Wikiversity and the chapter approval
process): i) Someone from the community makes a basic, public
proposal; ii) there is some form of community discussion, which might
include an RfC; iii) when/if a decision is made to move forward, then
the Board is asked to provide approval; iv) the Board reviews and, if
it chooses to, provides provisional approval pending staff review. v)
The staff then works out the details and implements the decision. That
could work, or something like that.

Regardless of what the community decides regarding creating a
Wikimedia travel project, the Wikimedia Foundation believes there's
enough room for multiple travel sites to co-exist, and for community
members to contribute to multiple sites in this area. Of course, if
the community decides to support a travel project, we would need to
choose a name that is not confusing with that of other sites. That is
the kind of detail the staff would need to be involved in.

The main purpose of this comment is to encourage people to keep
discussing the idea, and to work towards further defining the process
for new project creation. It looks like James started an RfC
yesterday, just above this comment, which is great. Regardless of
whether or not a travel project moves forward, personally I am glad to
see the proposal being seriously discussed. To me it's a sign of
energy and openness and fertility in the movement, which makes me very
happy :-)

Thanks, Sue Gardner (talk) 22:33, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Translations of the "Wikimedia Highlights" for March 2012 available in Русский (Russian), Nederlands (Dutch), Macedonian (Македонски), Italiano (Italian), Franç

[Tilman Bayer]

The following translation are now available for the March 2012
"Wikimedia Highlights", which combine some of the most relevant
information from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia
engineering report for March 2012 with a selection of other important
events from the Wikimedia movement. Help is welcome in spreading the
translated versions among the project communities for these languages,
where this has not already been done. Many thanks to all translators!

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/ar
مقتطفات من تقرير مؤسسة ويكيميديا و اتقرير لقسم التقني في ويكيميديا
لشهر مارس 2012، ومختارات من أحداث هامة من حركة ويكيميديا

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/fr
Éclairages sur le rapport de la Fondation Wikimédia et le rapport
d’ingénierie Wikimédia pour mars 2012, avec une sélection d’autres
événements importants du mouvement Wikimédia

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/it
Punti salienti dal rapporto della Wikimedia Foundation e dal rapporto
tecnico Wikimedia di marzo 2012, con una selezione di altre importanti
iniziative dagli eventi di Wikimedia

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/mk
Позначајни новости од Извештајот на Фондацијата Викимедија и
Техничкиот извештај за март 2012, со избор од други важни настани од
движењето Викимедија

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/nl
Dit zijn de hoogtepunten uit de Wikimedia Foundationrapportage en de
Wikimedia technische rapportage voor maart 2012, aangevuld met een
selectie van andere belangrijke gebeurtenissen binnen de
Wikimediabeweging

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012/ru
Важные новости из отчёта Фонда Викимедиа за март 2012 и технического
отчёта за март 2012 года, с подборкой важнейших событий движения
Викимедиа


See for https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_March_2012
for partial translations into other languages. Of course further
translations continue to be welcome.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?

[Robert Rohde]

PS. This story was triggered by Fastily's retirement.  He has 46000
edits on enwiki, and only about 620 editors have reached that plateau.
 Of these, 90% are still active.  So such retirements are relatively
rare.  Personally, I hope he decides to come back after taking some
time to relax and recharge.  It seems to be the case that many such
declared retirements aren't really permanent.

-Robert Rohde

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Robert Rohde  wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter  
> wrote:
> 
>
>> 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the one
>> with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, but I am
>> pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it depend on
>> the number of contributions?
>
> For enwiki, using data from last August:
>
> 28243 users have at least 1000 edits (all namespaces).
>
> Of these, 9898 had not edited in the six months before the end of the data 
> set.
>
> So about 65% of the major editors are still active, at least occasionally.
>
> The mean wiki-lifetime for the 28243 major users was 49.9 months.
>
> For the 9898 users who were not recently active, the mean
> wiki-lifetime was 35.6 months.
>
>
> Further, there are 4685 users with at least 1 edits, and of these,
> all but 914 were still active in the last 6 months of the data set.
> So 80% of the editors at the very high end are still active (at least
> occasionally).  The mean wiki-lifetime on the total group is 60.5
> months, and the departed group is 42.6 months.
>
>
> Incidentally, the mean account age of individuals editing article
> space is now over 3 years for enwiki.  A lot of the work is being by
> the relative old-timers.  By the same token though, people who have
> ever made it to 1000 edits are more likely than not to still be active
> today.
>
> -Robert Rohde

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?

[Robert Rohde]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter  wrote:


> 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the one
> with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, but I am
> pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it depend on
> the number of contributions?

For enwiki, using data from last August:

28243 users have at least 1000 edits (all namespaces).

Of these, 9898 had not edited in the six months before the end of the data set.

So about 65% of the major editors are still active, at least occasionally.

The mean wiki-lifetime for the 28243 major users was 49.9 months.

For the 9898 users who were not recently active, the mean
wiki-lifetime was 35.6 months.


Further, there are 4685 users with at least 1 edits, and of these,
all but 914 were still active in the last 6 months of the data set.
So 80% of the editors at the very high end are still active (at least
occasionally).  The mean wiki-lifetime on the total group is 60.5
months, and the departed group is 42.6 months.


Incidentally, the mean account age of individuals editing article
space is now over 3 years for enwiki.  A lot of the work is being by
the relative old-timers.  By the same token though, people who have
ever made it to 1000 edits are more likely than not to still be active
today.

-Robert Rohde

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?

[Risker]

Perhaps this page, with results, might be helpful as well:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Community_Health/Survey

Risker

On 18 April 2012 17:22, Philippe Beaudette  wrote:

> Yaroslav -
>
> You'll probably find background for some of this on the strategy wiki -
> that's the community health group that you're thinking about. :-)
>
> This is a survey in particular that might interest you:
>
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Community_Health/Former_contributors_survey
>
> Also, Zack has some statistics from the Summer of Research, I think, on the
> other questions you ask.  You might write him.
>
> pb
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>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter  >wrote:
>
> > My message is inspired by discussion in this thread (
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Administrators%27_**
> > noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_**more_and_more_established_**
> > editors_and_administrators<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_more_and_more_established_editors_and_administrators
> >)
> > on Englush Wikipedia. Whereas the thread itself is not relevant to this
> > list, and the points get re-iterated on a regular basis, there were
> > statements made there which contain quantitative estimates (for instance
> > that 90% established users who leave do it because they get a new job or
> > have their external life changed in some other way, and not because of
> > harassment etc). Most probably these numbers are not really justified,
> but
> > then I wanted to know what real numbers are. I am an Rcom member, but I
> can
> > not recollect such research being accomplished (I might be wrong of
> > course). I could not find data easily either (I spent half an hour
> because
> > I remembered we had a Community Health initiative group which somehow
> > evolved into the Movement Roles, but the Movement Roles pages on Meta do
> > not talk about community health at all, and I could not even find an
> > appropriate page to ask the question).
> >
> > After this long introduction, does somebody know / can point out the
> > answers to the questions:
> >
> > 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the
> > one with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years,
> but
> > I am pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it
> depend
> > on the number of contributions?
> >
> > 2. What are the main reasons why these editors stop editing? Is this
> > correct, for instance, that external reasons are much more important than
> > internal (on-wiki troubles and wiki-related harassment) reasons? The same
> > for say those above 1 edits?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?

[Philippe Beaudette]

Yaroslav -

You'll probably find background for some of this on the strategy wiki -
that's the community health group that you're thinking about. :-)

This is a survey in particular that might interest you:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/Community_Health/Former_contributors_survey

Also, Zack has some statistics from the Summer of Research, I think, on the
other questions you ask.  You might write him.

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:

> My message is inspired by discussion in this thread (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Administrators%27_**
> noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_**more_and_more_established_**
> editors_and_administrators)
> on Englush Wikipedia. Whereas the thread itself is not relevant to this
> list, and the points get re-iterated on a regular basis, there were
> statements made there which contain quantitative estimates (for instance
> that 90% established users who leave do it because they get a new job or
> have their external life changed in some other way, and not because of
> harassment etc). Most probably these numbers are not really justified, but
> then I wanted to know what real numbers are. I am an Rcom member, but I can
> not recollect such research being accomplished (I might be wrong of
> course). I could not find data easily either (I spent half an hour because
> I remembered we had a Community Health initiative group which somehow
> evolved into the Movement Roles, but the Movement Roles pages on Meta do
> not talk about community health at all, and I could not even find an
> appropriate page to ask the question).
>
> After this long introduction, does somebody know / can point out the
> answers to the questions:
>
> 1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the
> one with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, but
> I am pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it depend
> on the number of contributions?
>
> 2. What are the main reasons why these editors stop editing? Is this
> correct, for instance, that external reasons are much more important than
> internal (on-wiki troubles and wiki-related harassment) reasons? The same
> for say those above 1 edits?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter software tools work welcome at Berlin hackathon in June

[Peter Gehres]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Oddly enough, I have a CiviCRM developer coming around today to talk about
> WMUK funding a Gift Aid or Direct Debit module. He's based only a few
> minutes from our office.
>

There is currently a "Make It Happen" or MIH in progress for UK Direct
Debit http://civicrm.org/participate/mih#ukdd.  I can put you in touch with
some of the CiviCRM staff is you want more details on that project.

-- 

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Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Ray Saintonge]

On 04/18/12 6:54 AM, Mike Dupont wrote:

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Fae  wrote:

I just would prefer that this not be a launch pad for change or
tangential discussions.

fair enough! lets keep it that way. We dont want to give that

madman Breivik more influence that he has.



The influence that people like Breivik have is nourished by feeding trolls.

We have no control over how any individual may choose to [mis]interpret 
any article that he reads. Try as we may to choose our neutralities, 
there will always be someone to see it differently.


Ray

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter software tools work welcome at Berlin hackathon in June

[Risker]

On 17 April 2012 22:27, Sumana Harihareswara  wrote:

> Several Wikimedia chapters have mentioned that they are interested in
> software tools used in chapter operations, including CiviCRM
> improvements/customization.  This came up at the meeting a few weeks
> ago, I am told
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012/Documentation/Day_2/Coordinating-projects
> >,
> and led to some discussion of perhaps finding a way to share development
> and avoid duplicate work .
>
> Software developers at those chapters might like to collaboratively hack
> on CiviCRM or other useful tools during the Berlin hackathon in June
> .  The organizers
> (including me) would appreciate it if interested participants would
> register by May 1st so we can plan properly.  Thanks!
>
>

Sumana -

I understand this might also be made available for internal groups such as
Arbitration Committees and their subcommittees.  I would be very interested
in knowing more, although I won't be in a position to attend the Berlin
Hackathon.

Best,

Risker/Anne
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[Wikimedia-l] User retention statistics?

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

My message is inspired by discussion in this thread 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Loss_of_more_and_more_and_more_established_editors_and_administrators) 
on Englush Wikipedia. Whereas the thread itself is not relevant to this 
list, and the points get re-iterated on a regular basis, there were 
statements made there which contain quantitative estimates (for instance 
that 90% established users who leave do it because they get a new job or 
have their external life changed in some other way, and not because of 
harassment etc). Most probably these numbers are not really justified, 
but then I wanted to know what real numbers are. I am an Rcom member, 
but I can not recollect such research being accomplished (I might be 
wrong of course). I could not find data easily either (I spent half an 
hour because I remembered we had a Community Health initiative group 
which somehow evolved into the Movement Roles, but the Movement Roles 
pages on Meta do not talk about community health at all, and I could not 
even find an appropriate page to ask the question).


After this long introduction, does somebody know / can point out the 
answers to the questions:


1. What is the average lifetime of a Wikipedia editor (for instance the 
one with at leat 1000 contributions)? I recollect smth about two years, 
but I am pretty sure I have never seen any research on this. How does it 
depend on the number of contributions?


2. What are the main reasons why these editors stop editing? Is this 
correct, for instance, that external reasons are much more important 
than internal (on-wiki troubles and wiki-related harassment) reasons? 
The same for say those above 1 edits?


Thanks in advance
Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> People like Breivik who have a desire to promote fringe views turn up to
> edit Wikipedia in droves. I would not be surprised if he had an account,
> like Bedell before him.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPatrickBedell
>

According to this article

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/rogaland/1.8045907

Breivik was indeed a contributor, to the Norwegian Wikipedia at least. And
he specifically mentioned Wikipedia in his manifesto as a vital propaganda
tool, saying:

"The European resistance movement must prioritize contributions to
Wikipedia, as a general method to introduce our worldview, our political
doctrines and our definition of history. Wikipedia should not be
underestimated as the primary source to create "established truths". We
must strive to present our views in the most favorable way, while we put
our enemies into disrepute. It is a venue we have to focus on."

In court, he specifically praised the content of the English Wikipedia,
according to Guardian reporter Helen Pidd. He apparently said that much of
his "learning" comes from Wikipedia and that "The English articles there
contain a lot of information".

Andreas
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th anniversary of Wikimedia Commons

[とある白い猫]

The voting could be carried out with the global event. Vote eligibility
could be participating in the events for example.

Of course not every country will have an event so not sure if this approach
is a good one.

  -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)


2012/4/18 Tadija Mileti? 

>   Hmm, and maybe something where we can invite more people to Wikipedia?
> Billboards with :
>
> Join decade of knowledge. Participate! Write new article!
>
> Or something similar. I am also against POT-DEC, poor thing for big global
> event such as this.
>
>  --WhiteWriter
>
>  *From:* Gnangarra 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:45 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List 
> *Cc:* smole...@eunet.rs ; Wikimedia Mailing 
> List
> *Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th
> anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
>
> Why not a world wide Wikitakes or a Photowalk day that way everyone
> everywhere can participate in it, no need for big off Commons organisation
>
> 2012/4/18 とある白い猫 
>
>> I do not think we want to select POT-DEC (lets not call it POTD which is
>> something else :) ) from older POTYs since we don't have a large number to
>> choose from. Also, it would be very boring to re-nominate the same winner
>> again. If anything existing POTY winners perhaps should be disqualified for
>> this reason.
>>
>> I am not too sure about the procedure would be best to be honest. I hope
>> this discussion would determine that very aspect. :)
>>
>> US GLAM is appealing but we do want something global. Certainly US GLAM
>> partnerships should be part of it but they should not be all of it.
>> WikiLoves Monuments was a good precursor to this kind of activity. Perhaps
>> a kind of "lessons learned" assessment may be useful while working on this.
>>
>>   -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 07:31, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>>
>>> > > 2012/4/17 とある白い猫 :
>>>
>>> > > > We already have POTY as an annual event so perhaps a "decade"
>>> event could
>>> > > > be something interesting to consider.
>>>
>>> The obvious: select POTD from all the POTYs :)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Johan Jönsson]

2012/4/18 Hans A. Rosbach :
> You can find the live reporting in the Norwegian newspaper VG here:
> https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/22-juli/rettssaken/artikkel.php?artid=10065284

So basically, he's interested in history and the history of religion,
among other subjects. He claims to have spent 15.000 hours reading
about them, gathering information from a multitude of sources, among
them Wikipedia. Hardly something that truly merits "Wikipedia made me
do it" headlines.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Andreas Kolbe]

People like Breivik who have a desire to promote fringe views turn up to
edit Wikipedia in droves. I would not be surprised if he had an account,
like Bedell before him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pentagon_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JPatrickBedell

A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Hans A. Rosbach]

You can find the live reporting in the Norwegian newspaper VG here:
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/22-juli/rettssaken/artikkel.php?artid=10065284

I found the google translate result of the relevant portion to be readable.
Search for
*Aktor Inga Bejer-Engh: Men du, når du snakker om 15.000 timer. Hva regner
du inn der da? Hva slags type lesning eller informasjonsinnhenting er det
du trekker inn? *
in the document. The context is his lack of formal education.

Hans A. Rosbach



On 18 April 2012 15:44, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> Yes, I also found it upsetting, but I decided to bring this topic up as
> someone had sent it to me,
> and thought that it is better that we know about what is going on before it
> hits us and we dont know about it.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Fae  wrote:
>
> > I find this context upsetting regardless of the points being raised.
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Mike Dupont]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Fae  wrote:

> I just would prefer that this not be a launch pad for change or
> tangential discussions.
>
> fair enough! lets keep it that way. We dont want to give that
madman Breivik more influence that he has.
mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Fae]

On 18 April 2012 14:44, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> Yes, I also found it upsetting, but I decided to bring this topic up as
> someone had sent it to me,
> and thought that it is better that we know about what is going on before it
> hits us and we dont know about it.

I'm not having a poke at you Mike, I agree we should note it as
possibly newsworthy and be prepared for questions that might arise. I
just would prefer that this not be a launch pad for change or
tangential discussions.

Thanks,
Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Mike Dupont]

Yes, I also found it upsetting, but I decided to bring this topic up as
someone had sent it to me,
and thought that it is better that we know about what is going on before it
hits us and we dont know about it.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Fae  wrote:

> I find this context upsetting regardless of the points being raised.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Fae]

I find this context upsetting regardless of the points being raised.

My personal request for any reader of this email thread, is that if
there are any changes you would like to see on Wikipedia or other
Wikimedia projects, please don't use anything that this monster says
as a reason for action. It would be a terrible starting point and
taint any discussion.

Nothing he has to say has any chance of being notable or rational
enough for us to concern ourselves about. I look forward to him being
permanently locked away from society and we can turn our backs and
move on.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Mike Dupont]

Thanks, for that, I really dont want to only talk about my personal pet
peeves here, but make the case that we have a huge backlog of disputes that
are not really being looked into.

My vision is a conflict resolution system somewhat like a court system with
a hearing, jury and judge. From that view, wp has a huge backlog of open
cases.

mike


On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Marc Riddell wrote:

> I also agree with Mike that the growing size and complexity of the
> Encyclopedia needs stronger and more objective oversight.
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Marc Riddell]

>> on 4/18/12 4:53 AM, Mike  Dupont at jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> this just in, scary.
>>> 
>>> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
>>> 
>> 
http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest
->> i
>>> nfluence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6

On 18 April 2012 13:55, Marc Riddell  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless he expanded on his statement, which isn't in the posted clip, his
>> "answer" could very well be a sarcastic non-answer to an entity he believes
>> has neither credibility nor authority over him.
>> 
>> Marc Riddell
> 
> 
> It's my understanding that what he said is that Wikipedia was venue he used
> for researching his ideology.
> 
> At the end of the day Wikipedia is full of right wing material - because it
> is a part of history/culture and we have to record it (neutrally). It is
> entirely possible to take that material and use it to build a world view.
> 
> This is what people do anyway.
> 
> We simply have to be accepting of the fact that, while our intent might be
> to spread a more inclusive society by opening up knowledge to the masses,
> there is a portion of the population who will form views we find abhorrent.
> 
I agree with you, Thomas, that some persons are going to use - or twist -
facts to support their own, already-established views.

I also agree with Mike that the growing size and complexity of the
Encyclopedia needs stronger and more objective oversight.

Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Thomas Morton]

On 18 April 2012 13:55, Marc Riddell  wrote:

> on 4/18/12 4:53 AM, Mike  Dupont at jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > this just in, scary.
> >
> > Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
> >
> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-i
> > nfluence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6
>
> Unless he expanded on his statement, which isn't in the posted clip, his
> "answer" could very well be a sarcastic non-answer to an entity he believes
> has neither credibility nor authority over him.
>
> Marc Riddell


It's my understanding that what he said is that Wikipedia was venue he used
for researching his ideology.

At the end of the day Wikipedia is full of right wing material - because it
is a part of history/culture and we have to record it (neutrally). It is
entirely possible to take that material and use it to build a world view.

This is what people do anyway.

We simply have to be accepting of the fact that, while our intent might be
to spread a more inclusive society by opening up knowledge to the masses,
there is a portion of the population who will form views we find abhorrent.

Tom
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Marc Riddell]

on 4/18/12 4:53 AM, Mike  Dupont at jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

> this just in, scary.
> 
> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-i
> nfluence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6

Unless he expanded on his statement, which isn't in the posted clip, his
"answer" could very well be a sarcastic non-answer to an entity he believes
has neither credibility nor authority over him.

Marc Riddell



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter software tools work welcome at Berlin hackathon in June

[Naveen Francis]

Thanks Sumana.

This will save a lot of time of executive members of Wikimedia India.
We are spending lot of time in data entry and processing membership.

Manuel Schneider  has promised
to help in implementing CiviCRM for Wikimedia India.

--
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Sumana Harihareswara  wrote:

> Several Wikimedia chapters have mentioned that they are interested in
> software tools used in chapter operations, including CiviCRM
> improvements/customization.  This came up at the meeting a few weeks
> ago, I am told
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012/Documentation/Day_2/Coordinating-projects
> >,
> and led to some discussion of perhaps finding a way to share development
> and avoid duplicate work .
>
> Software developers at those chapters might like to collaboratively hack
> on CiviCRM or other useful tools during the Berlin hackathon in June
> .  The organizers
> (including me) would appreciate it if interested participants would
> register by May 1st so we can plan properly.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[David Gerard]

On 18 April 2012 09:53, Mike  Dupont  wrote:

> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6


The word "influence" appears to have been a journalist's invention and
not something said by Breivik during the trial.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter software tools work welcome at Berlin hackathon in June

[Richard Symonds]

Oddly enough, I have a CiviCRM developer coming around today to talk about
WMUK funding a Gift Aid or Direct Debit module. He's based only a few
minutes from our office.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sumana Harihareswara  wrote:

> Several Wikimedia chapters have mentioned that they are interested in
> software tools used in chapter operations, including CiviCRM
> improvements/customization.  This came up at the meeting a few weeks
> ago, I am told
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2012/Documentation/Day_2/Coordinating-projects
> >,
> and led to some discussion of perhaps finding a way to share development
> and avoid duplicate work .
>
> Software developers at those chapters might like to collaboratively hack
> on CiviCRM or other useful tools during the Berlin hackathon in June
> .  The organizers
> (including me) would appreciate it if interested participants would
> register by May 1st so we can plan properly.  Thanks!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Mike Dupont]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM, George Herbert
wrote:

> Does an open content, liberal open encyclopedia sound like we'd be his
> friend?
>
Well I agree that this guy was out to do harm, and that we cannot trust
anything he says as being truthful.
People will use radicals like this for pushing more controls and less
freedom.


On the other side, I think that wikipedia has a lot of work to do in
cleaning up.  warning, now comes my chip on the shoulder, you can skip this
if you want.
RANT BEGIN
there are a great deal of inconsistencies on fringe topics (and i wont bore
you with the name of my favorite topic right now, but you can guess) where
both sides of the argument are equally twisted.  there is a lack of
experienced moderators and also the problem is that you dont want to throw
the baby out with the bathwater. So really I think for my favorite topics
the neutrally is really lacking and radicals reign. this inspires more
radicals and causes a total lack of trust in wikipedia on the other side of
the POV. I have met people who think that wikipedia should be boycotted
because they are seen to be supporting one side of the argument, and this
is just because no one has the time to deal with the large number of
organized radicals. I try to tell them that they can also get involved and
make things better, but my personal experience in the wikihounding has also
made me lose all interest in continued editing on some topics. How can I in
good faith ask a total noob to walk in the lions den?
RANT END


thanks,
mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Andre Engels]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Svip  wrote:
> On 18 April 2012 10:53, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
>
>> this just in, scary.
>>
>> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6
>
> Maybe he read the articles during vandalism?

Nah, he probably just read neutral information from Wikipedia - and
then consumed that with a lot of confirmation bias. It's a fact of
life - Wikipedia makes information more easily available for everyone,
also for those who use it for bad.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[George Herbert]

We should probably not read too much into this.  His public statements seem to 
have been calculated to harm his perceived enemies.  Does an open content, 
liberal open encyclopedia sound like we'd be his friend?


George William Herbert
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:10, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> Open source models have also inspired guerrilla insurgent groups.
> 
> http://www.zinelibrary.info/fourth-generation-warfare-standing-orders-open-source-insurgencies
> (Open Source Jihad)
> 
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Svip  wrote:
> 
>> On 18 April 2012 10:53, Mike  Dupont 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> this just in, scary.
>>> 
>>> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
>>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6
>> 
>> Maybe he read the articles during vandalism?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Anirudh Bhati]

Open source models have also inspired guerrilla insurgent groups.

http://www.zinelibrary.info/fourth-generation-warfare-standing-orders-open-source-insurgencies
(Open Source Jihad)

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Svip  wrote:

> On 18 April 2012 10:53, Mike  Dupont 
> wrote:
>
> > this just in, scary.
> >
> > Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
> >
> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6
>
> Maybe he read the articles during vandalism?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Svip]

On 18 April 2012 10:53, Mike  Dupont  wrote:

> this just in, scary.
>
> Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
> http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6

Maybe he read the articles during vandalism?

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[Wikimedia-l] Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia

[Mike Dupont]

this just in, scary.

Breivik: My Biggest Influence Was Wikipedia
http://www.businessinsider.com/norwegian-terrorist-anders-breivik-my-biggest-influence-was-wikipedia-2012-4#ixzz1sN3LZci6


mike

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th anniversary of Wikimedia Commons

[Keegan Peterzell]

Now that Wikimedia-l is in the loop, can we shift the focus of discussion
back to commons lists and not cc wm-l?
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