Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
Amir E. Aharoni, 31/07/2012 08:35: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like improve existing pages and write new ones may not be obvious. Is there something like a task list for new projects? Yes, a few heroes wrote https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Manual_for_small_and_new_Wikipedias a while ago (thanks!) but they've never been helped enough to make it complete (and more general). This can be useful too: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_projects_coordination (we need more work on pages like those). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
A bot that can be given a list of the important templates, or categories of templates, would be good for starting a new project. Once articles exist, at least some meaning comes through and it's more likely people will edit them. (Machine translations would be nice too, but realistically if a machine translator exists for a language then we usually have a wiki for it. It might still be useful for a whole new project - eg a new area of coverage that is going to be set up in common languages. It might not be perfect but some meaning will come through and it'll help, much like town/city/village bot articles did.) FT2 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 31/07/2012 08:35: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like improve existing pages and write new ones may not be obvious. Is there something like a task list for new projects? Yes, a few heroes wrote https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Manual_for_small_and_new_**Wikipediashttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Manual_for_small_and_new_Wikipedias a while ago (thanks!) but they've never been helped enough to make it complete (and more general). This can be useful too: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Category:Wikimedia_**projects_coordinationhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_projects_coordination (we need more work on pages like those). Nemo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
Deryck Chan, 31/07/2012 12:23: In addition, village pump, admin noticeboard and help desks are overrated; they're much better dealt with being one centralised discussion board to begin with, then split if there's adequate participation. Overrated? Most wikis don't have any of those [allegedly]! :-) (Only some random page chosen by us as their equivalent, which gets spammed with central notifications.) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
* Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}},
{{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc.
Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual
should be fixed with translate templates 1, 2... N into your
language at Wikidata.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
Milos Rancic, 31/07/2012 12:53:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
* Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}},
{{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc.
Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual
should be fixed with translate templates 1, 2... N into your
language at Wikidata.
Really? Where is this discussed/specified in more detail?
Cf.
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/A_step_forward_in_the_internationalization_of_very_common_templates.
Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
* Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}},
{{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc.
Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual
should be fixed with translate templates 1, 2... N into your
language at Wikidata.
To clarify this a bit in case it is unclear: Wikidata will not
centralize the templates themselves but only the data in the
templates. This data can then be localized.
Cheers
Lydia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
Wikidata will still help with the task at hand, but it should be formulated as:
- Translate certain templates, like city templates etc., to the target language
- Provide labels to relevant items on Wikidata in the target language
Simplified this means the template
''City''
Country: {{#getfromwikidata:country}}
would need to be translated in the target wiki to
Stadt
Land: {{#getfromwikidata:land}}
and the actual country would need a label in the target language in
Wikidata (i.e. Österreich for the item on Austria, etc.) and the
city the template is used needs to be linked to the respective
Wikidata item. This will help with starting Wikipedias quite a bit,
but there is no magic involved.
Cheers,
Denny
2012/7/31 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Milos Rancic, 31/07/2012 12:53:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
* Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}},
{{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc.
Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual
should be fixed with translate templates 1, 2... N into your
language at Wikidata.
Really? Where is this discussed/specified in more detail?
Cf.
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/A_step_forward_in_the_internationalization_of_very_common_templates.
Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
2012/7/31 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de:
Country: {{#getfromwikidata:country}}
And this is just a place holder syntax for now.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Survey, Feedback requested, and Office Hour
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Christine Moellenberndt christine...@gmail.com wrote: *Hi everyone, It's been a bit since I last emailed this list (or any list, for that matter!)... you may remember me, I worked at the Foundation last year in the Community Department, working with Philippe on any number of issues, as well as with the OTRS team. I've come back to work on a short term project with the Foundation, and I have to say it's great to be back! (and a great break from my Master's thesis!) We're getting ready to run the next version of the Editor Survey, for August 2012. This will be the third incarnation we've run since 2011. As with the prior incarnations of the survey, we'll be looking at a variety of topics, this time with the goal of not only understanding your needs and pressing issues while interacting with fellow editors, but also focusing on editors' satisfaction with the work of the Foundation. The last time we ran an editor survey, it was completed by over 6,000 respondents. When you break that down, it means that each minute of time demanded by the survey corresponds to 100 hours of Wikipedians' time. We want to make sure that this time is spent wisely, ensuring that the questions we have are worded clearly, don't cause confusion, and will generate meaningful answers. So we'd like to ask you to take a look at the survey, and give us feedback on the questions. You can find them here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Research:Wikipedia_** Editor_Survey_August_2012/**Questionshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_August_2012/Questions https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Research:** Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_**August_2012/Questionshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_August_2012/Questions ... and please leave your feedback on the talk page there so we can keep the discussion in one place :) You can find out more information about the survey here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Research:Wikipedia_** Editor_Survey_August_2012https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_August_2012 Also, we are planning an IRC Office Hour on the survey, this **Tuesday, July 31 at 1700 UTC.** (See https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/IRC_office_hoursforhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hoursforgeneral information about IRC Office hours) Just a quick reminder that this is happening two hours from now. I know there has been some discussion about offering Office Hours in a broader range of times, and I know this time may not be the greatest for some... but this was the best time we could find currently. Thanks everyone!! -Christine Wikimedia Foundation* __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program
On 31 July 2012 21:26, Anivar Aravind ani...@movingrepublic.org wrote: Dear Barry, Just a question . What will happen to Wikimedia India Programme Trust[1] I Think it need to be answered in FAQ[2]. In my observation, the registration of a third entity , at a safe distance from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapter was a major organisational mistake in Wikimedia India programme . I like to see this question answered . True. And it pretty much went unanswered earlier as well. I had once raised the issue here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2011-November/117059.html Sadly, nobody concerned responded. 1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ_India_Programs/FAQ_Wikimedia_India_Program_Trust 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/India_Program_Announcement_and_FAQ_-_30_July_2012 -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to India Program
On 30 July 2012 16:18, Barry Newstead (WMF) bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: As a follow up to Hisham's message, I would like to thank Hisham for his efforts in support of Wikimedia in India. He has been a great partner to the Wikimedia Foundation team and has worked tirelessly to build the India Program. He has worked in a challenging environment trying to do work in the Wikimedia movement that hasn’t been done before. While there have been ups and downs, our work in India has broken new ground for the movement and taught us all valuable lessons that we are applying in India and around the world. There is an unprecedented level of activity happening in India with promising programs that position the movement for continued growth. [...] CIS has committed to sustaining and building upon the work of the India Program. They plan to hire the existing program consultants as staff and will conduct a search for a new programme director. The program team will be based in Delhi. CIS will be sharing their program plans shortly and will want to incorporate community feedback. Barry, This is all quite unexpected, but bringing in CIS does really seem like a positive change at this moment for what has been happening in India. Through CIS, Sunil has so far extended great support to volunteers in India, not only for those who were working as volunteers for Wikimedia but also for volunteers from free software movement, people working on freedom of expression and several other excellent causes. Having been part of the founding team of the chapter in India, I did feel that without Sunil's encouragement, support the chapter would have had more trouble taking shape given the complexities. So, it does feel like a good prospect going forward. To be fair, the India programs has so far been an expensive project coming at a huge cost and not so great outcome. The big loser has been the chapter in India. Adding to that is the parity in work pressure as compared to the remuneration between volunteers who signed up to take up responsibilities at the chapter and the paid employees of the India program. Although I resigned from the chapter early last year, I still feel that much of the pressure has been on the few passionate volunteers who have been trying to put together a solid foundation for the chapter. It is sad to see anyone go, but really does bring back memories when certain people in-charge weren't responding or were just 'too busy' to respond to calls from volunteers. However, that is past now and I'm no longer as active on Wikimedia projects as I used to be. However, there's still a sense of belonging that I'm pretty sure like me many other volunteers from India (who may have now gone inactive for a reason or the other) share - and are looking forward seeing the brighter side. Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Language committee report, July 2012
The Language Committee (Langcom) report for July 2012 was published. The Langcom reports used to be published on this list too for some time, but that has stopped and they were only put on Meta. I would now like to resume putting the monthly report here. See the wiki version on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Reports/2012-07 ===Committee=== *The Langcom has discussed to join the ''Alliance for Linguistic Diversity'' of Google's Endangered languages project http://www.endangeredlanguages.com . In the wish to act as a connection between the Wikimedia community and the project, we have applied on 25 July, mentioning Wikimedia's significant resources related to preserving languages, e.g. Wikisource, Wiktionary and Incubator. ===Requests and approvals=== *Following a question from one of the contributors, the status of the Oriya Wikiquote[1] was discussed, but more activity and message translation work is required there before approval can be considered. *The request for a Wikipedia in Gorkha [2] has been withdrawn by the proposer. It is also not eligible per our policies. *Assamese Wikisource [3] (cf. last month's report) was brought up again: Translations are now finished, but the activity is not high/steady enough yet. *The request to close Lojban Wiktionary [4] has been rejected. *The request to close Basa Sunda Wikibooks [5] is currently undergoing Board review and will probably be accepted. ===Other=== *It has been discussed whether it could be allowed to use another code for the URL of the Wikipedia in Mapundungun [6] (test project [7]), for example of the codes that is reserved for private use in the ISO 639-3 scheme (it would e.g. be qmp.wikipedia.org instead of arn.wikipedia.org then); because the ISO code arn derives from a word which is claimed to be seen as offensive by the speakers of the language. No decision was taken, but **Some members tended to accept such a thing, others tended to rule out such a deviation from the ISO standard. The general importance of the standard was highlighted. **Most members would like organizations/speakers of the language to try to get the ISO code changed first, but it was also noted that such a change would be very unlikely to be accepted. **The details of why/how the code is considered offensive by the speakers were discussed. It is generally agreed that the code will not be changed for political reasons. Currently, the president of Wikimedia Chile has been contacted and will try to get statements from these NGOs and Universities. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiquote_Oriya [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Gorkha [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Assamese [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Lojban_Wiktionary [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Basa_Sunda_Wikibooks_(2) [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639:arn [7] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/arn ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:35:49AM +0300, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like improve existing pages and write new ones may not be obvious. Is there something like a task list for new projects? Something like: Chenneling Siebrand and Gerard: Go to translatewiki.net and translate the UI for your language? (if not already done) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
FT2 wrote: A bot that can be given a list of the important templates, or categories of templates, would be good for starting a new project. Once articles exist, at least some meaning comes through and it's more likely people will edit them. Maybe. People should be _extremely_ cautious when using bots to try to propagate (new) wikis. Page-creation bots are a form of inorganic growth in a place (a wiki) that demands organic growth.[1] Wikis must, by and large, evolve over time naturally, otherwise the bots risk damaging the culture of the wiki or, in rare cases, it's possible for these bots to kill the wiki entirely.[2] This isn't to say that pulling in templates from other wikis can't be useful (of course it can be [though remember to attribute your source!]), but if mass page creation is done with a bot, it needs to be done with exceeding caution and accompanied by a full assessment of the impact of these page creations. The effects of these page creations is of course amplified on smaller, more vulnerable wikis, though the caution to avoid mass page creation largely applies equally to larger wikis as well. That is, 10,000 new and unused templates on a small Wikipedia that only has 400 articles is terrible, but it's not as though the English Wikipedia or any other established Wikipedia with millions of articles wants 10,000 unused templates either. MZMcBride [1] Wikis have been previously compared to children. Creating a wiki is like creating a baby, yes you should have a good reason to create one, but if you don't for whatever reason, you should have an _extra_ good reason for killing one, bawolff once infamously said. In this case, the inorganic growth is analogous to cancer or anabolic steroid use. [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BOTOVERUSE#History has most of the history, though I could swear a project or two has been restarted due to bots over-running the site. Does anyone have a citation for that? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
