Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal
Hello, Conflict of Interest (CoI) is a much bigger issue than paid editing. I have seen several serious CoI within Wikipedia where the editors are not strictly paid because they edit WP, nevertheless they do not respect the basic NPOV rules: allowing other opinions to be heard, balancing sources from various organisations (medias / professional / non profit organisations, etc.). I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background, culture, etc., they may have a bias on a subject. Yann 2012/7/28 Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com: Hi, I would love feedback about a proposal to help improve the relationship between COI editors and Wikipedia. The idea is to guide paid/PR/Corporate participants--who follow a list of ethics and best practices--to success in their editing. I've detailed the concept here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI_certification Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, Jake Orlowitz Wikipedia editor: Ocaasi http://enwp.org/User:Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
On 29 July 2012 07:11, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's use the page we used to use to discuss plans and budgets: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget I thought this was implicit, but apparently not: can someone from the WMF please answer the questions that are on that page? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics
2012/7/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have to prove that he bought the ticket? And how can they prove that? What if someone else bought the ticket and then gifted it to you? That would be equivalent to sneaking in, since tickets are non-transferable. There is certainly a possibility to buy a ticket for somebody else. I suppose there is a difference between the ticket holder and the cash/credit card handler. I see 100 cases where this is necessary. Yann ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal
Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background, culture, etc., they may have a bias on a subject. We regularly discuss this in the Italian community about the so called subject matter experts, reegularly coming to the conclusion that we surely make it clear that their opinions/original research is not welcome (it regularly gets deleted), the question is whether thay can find a way to contribute or they're unrecoverable. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project
MZMcBride, 01/08/2012 03:10: [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BOTOVERUSE#History has most of the history, though I could swear a project or two has been restarted due to bots over-running the site. Does anyone have a citation for that? A citation for what? Anyway, the section seems correct except that it greatly overstates the importance of bot-created articles in the problems denounced by the faction of the Lombard wikipedians and in the consequences of its intervention (which was mostly meant as a brute-force restoration of the five pillars). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal
On 8/1/12 1:51 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background, culture, etc., they may have a bias on a subject. We regularly discuss this in the Italian community about the so called subject matter experts, reegularly coming to the conclusion that we surely make it clear that their opinions/original research is not welcome (it regularly gets deleted), the question is whether thay can find a way to contribute or they're unrecoverable. I think it can work well, if the Wikipedia manages to develop a core of expert editors in an area who also understand Wikipedia norms, and can spread that culture. On the English Wikipedia this works reasonably well in some of the scientific and mathematical areas, where most of the involved academics understand that they need to cite third-party reliable sources for statements (increasingly true in the history editing as well, I believe). On the other hand, there is still some CoI that goes on now and then, with people writing articles to promote their own findings (or even an article on their lab, university, or themselves). -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers for the Translation Committee
[this was also posted to translators-l last week, but we want to spread the word even further] Hi all, The translation committee on Meta has been dormant for some time (individual members have been active, but the committee as such has not been active), but it is time to revive it to ensure that the translation process on Meta is viable. As several members of the committee are currently busy with other things, and because it would be nice to have several more members in the committee so that it will function well even when some members are inactive. Therefore, this is a call for volunteers to serve on the committee. If you have any experience with handling translations on Meta, Translatewiki or anywhere else you are welcome to join. In fact, you don't need much more experience than with translating stuff – the new system and tools we have available on Meta make the process of managing translation much easier than it has been in the past (and if you don't know how to do that yet, we will show you how). A further explanation of what the committee work consists of and its areas of work can be found on the new draft page for the committeehttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_subcommittees/Trans/Revamp. We would like to have many new members on the committee, so that the work load for each member is not too overwhelming. If you are interested in becoming a part of this committee, please send us an e-mail on the transcom list (trans...@lists.wikimedia.org). -- mvh Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? I'll ask Tilman via this mail to help coordinate getting answers from the appropriate people. Separately/additionally: I thought the Signpost coverage was pretty good. It wasn't extensive, but I thought they did a good job of capturing the basics in what is a pretty complex plan. This year is a tough slog understanding the financials, because the assumptions underpinning them (about how revenue is reflected, and spending) have changed significantly with the creation of the FDC. We tried to create apples-to-apples comparisons, and to caveat appropriately where that wasn't possible, but it's inherently pretty complex. Thanks, Sue On Aug 1, 2012 4:35 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 July 2012 07:11, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's use the page we used to use to discuss plans and budgets: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget I thought this was implicit, but apparently not: can someone from the WMF please answer the questions that are on that page? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 31 -- 30 July 2012
News and notes: Wikimedians and London 2012; WMF budget - staffing, engineering, editor retention effort, and the global South; Telegraph's cheap shot at WP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/News_and_notes Recent research: Conflict dynamics, collaboration and emotions; digitization vs. copyright; WikiProject field notes; quality of medical articles; role of readers; best wiki paper award http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/Recent_research Discussion report: Discussion reports and miscellaneous articulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/Discussion_report WikiProject report: Summer sports series: WikiProject Horse Racing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/WikiProject_report Featured content: One of a kind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/Featured_content Arbitration report: No pending or open arbitration cases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/Arbitration_report Technology report: Talking performance with CT Woo and Green Semantic MediaWiki with Nischay Nahata http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-30 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions. http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html Haven't we concluded that this can only apply to the person buying the ticket, not to other people? Who concluded that, and on what basis? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
On 1 August 2012 09:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget Yep, got it, thanks. There are some questions that Garfield and Asaf have already answered -- I will take a look later today and see what remains. I think there's one outstanding from you, and one from Nemo. Thanks, Sue ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] July Fellowship News
Hi all, The July edition of the Fellowship News is now available: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News Topics covered include all current fellowship projects: *Fellowship Program updates *Dispute Resolution *Gender Gap *Help Page Redesign *Small-Wiki Editor Engagement *Teahouse *Translations Come learn what we've been up to this month! Best wishes, Siko -- Siko Bouterse Head of Community Fellowships Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
Hi, folks. I've also tried to address the (truly confusing) use of the word grants across the plan. See here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimedia_Grants_budget Cheers, Asaf On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 1 August 2012 09:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 August 2012 17:36, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked the page a couple of days ago and didn't see any questions: maybe I was looking at the wrong page? The questions are on the page SJ suggested using: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget Yep, got it, thanks. There are some questions that Garfield and Asaf have already answered -- I will take a look later today and see what remains. I think there's one outstanding from you, and one from Nemo. Thanks, Sue ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline
There has been discussion about this in the past. To second Philippe's comment: A uniform process makes sense. In practice, most of the advocacy or policy positions of the WMF have for years taken the form of amicus briefs. And positions the WMF takes on behalf of promoting, preserving, or collaborating on free knowledge fall under the mandate of the LCA team (since this spring). So we're starting from a position where that team has the most experience and day-to-day concern with such positions. And there is no t yet an organized community body that tracks such things - despite the idea of an advocacy advisory group. I do think there are quite a lot of different staff with approval in the current guideline. Must it be so time-consuming? And I would love to see the foundation practice delegating some of this bureaucracy and responsibility to non-staff groups. We have no shortage of energy, talent, and experience there in the community. SJ On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi MZ - I'm surprised by this, given that it clearly delineates that it doesn't impact community requests at all, and only applies to requests that come to the Foundation. It seems logical that there be a uniform process for routing those internally and this is an attempt to transparently tell the community what that process is. The alternative is to have no policy for handling it and make it up every time. Regardless, if you have specific concerns, perhaps you could lay them out at the talk page and we can figure out if it makes sense to modify or adjust the policy in some way? PB --- Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:13:47 To: Wikimedia Mailing Listwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline Geoff Brigham wrote: Since the SOPA blackout, we have had a number of requests come in for public affiliations regarding policy and political issues. The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) is not a political organization, and many may argue understandably that our role is to support great projects - not politics. That said, we recognize that there may be select times where such affiliations should be considered, and, in those cases, we should have a review process in place, especially where there is strong community interest in an issue. To make sure that the right parties, including the community, are involved in the review process, we have created the Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/Foundati on_Policy_and_Political_Affiliations_Guidelineto clarify when and how the WMF associates itself publicly on policy and political issues. This guideline is an internal ³rule of thumb² covering requests to and actions by the WMF - without restricting the independent actions of the community. The guideline sets out a number of different types of affiliations and examines when review is appropriate by the community, WMF staff, and the Board of Trustees. This appears to be an unprecedented power-grab by the office of the General Counsel. Was there any Board or community support for placing so much power in an unelected and unaccountable lawyer? MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
