Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
That would only be true if they were right. - Original Message - From: phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43: So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones. Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles. Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully? Nemo Ha! +1 :) And also what Denny, Deryck and SJ said. -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Hello dear all, I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )? Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
2013/6/3 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello dear all, I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )? I thought about it several times and it makes sense to me. I somehow assumed that that is the intention anyway. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Ting Chen, 03/06/2013 11:29: I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData Yes, and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )? no. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/02#Include_Wikispecies_into_Wikidata http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikispecies-l/2013-January/thread.html TL;DR: Wikidata offers only a partial way to store information and no real interface at all for browsing it. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
On 03/06/13 11:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Ting Chen, 03/06/2013 11:29: I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData Yes, and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )? no. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/02#Include_Wikispecies_into_Wikidata http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikispecies-l/2013-January/thread.html TL;DR: Wikidata offers only a partial way to store information and no real interface at all for browsing it. What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really quickly and easily. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a different legal system and with better odds. I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do within the Wikipedia editing community... Kind regards Ziko Am Montag, 3. Juni 2013 schrieb Peter Southwood : That would only be true if they were right. - Original Message - From: phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43: So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones. Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles. Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully? Nemo Ha! +1 :) And also what Denny, Deryck and SJ said. -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland deputy chair Wikimedia Chapters Association Council Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Hello dear all, I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or rotten tomatos flying for this naive question ;-) )? Hi Ting, It is too early for this discussion to be honest. The data in Wikidata isn't up to it yet. Most of the taxonomy data isn't complete and it isn't sourced properly yet. I've been talking about this topic with quite a few people knowledgeable about this matter and taxonomy is not as easy as it might seem from the outside. This needs experts and time. Besides this I believe any discussion like this should be started by and in the WikiSpecies community. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Technical Projects Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, would that be bullying too? :-) I remember a site with a name like Wikithistown (with Thistown being the name of a specific city) with the self-description: Wikithistown is the Wikipedia of Thistown, using also the Wikipedia logo. A Wikimedia representative asked the site makers friendly to reconsider the wording and the use of the logo, and they did. But some Wikipedia volunteers were very pissed off, because those people in Thistown are nice and do good things. This has never been disputed, but to avoid confusion in the age of Wikileaks it is really important to make clear who is what and who. Kind regards Ziko Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland deputy chair Wikimedia Chapters Association Council Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/6/3 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote: The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a different legal system and with better odds. I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do within the Wikipedia editing community... Kind regards Ziko This has already been raised in this thread, but I want to emphaise can we please not equate everyone who enforces their trademarks as bullies. If a trademark holder do not enforces their trademark, they lose the trademark. Enforcing ones trademark is what a trademark holder is suppose to do. Now we can argue that the WTO is being overly broad in their interpretation of the similarity between the two logos, then the question becomes whether the Wikivoyage logo is worth spending the money fighting over. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime! I sure don't know when that time will be but I'll get to it! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44: What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really quickly and easily. It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS. From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both. Nemo P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but it's another story. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Disclaimer: I am writing this as a community member of the German Wikipedia, where I have been active for many years in the WikiProject:Biology. As an amateur I had to learn throughout the years, that taxonomy is pretty tricky, much more than it seems at first sight. Though it seems so easy to map taxonomical data in a database due to its seemingly strict hierarchical nature, I'm afraid it is much more tricky to implement as taxonomy is a discipline with a lot of traps to step in. That doesn't mean, that it shouldn't be tried, but when considering to do this: please get advice of professional taxonomists (not only general biologists) before planning things like that from a purely technical point of view. Be aware of heavy differences between the various, but binding codes (Zoology, Bacteriology, Botany s.l. and cultivated plants). Be aware of the necessity of concurring data trees working with the same objects. Be aware of the continous changes of taxonomy and the current tendency of dismissing defined ranks for the benefit of nodes. Such professional advice could be useful to avoid failures due to missing expertise in the very beginning. Just a hint. Best regards, Denis Barthel Am 03.06.2013 12:01, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44: What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really quickly and easily. It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS. From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both. Nemo P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but it's another story. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Projektmanager Team Communitys Fon +49 30 219 158 26 31 Mobil +49 172 23 13 811 E-Mail: denis.bart...@wikimedia.de -- Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will
Cynics, skip this message! http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/ I came across this sentimental song about a world of encouragement and productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and work toward ideals and it reminded me of our shared mission, so I wanted to share it with you. -Sumana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
Hi, Sometime in the next couple of weeks, we will need to launch a contest for the new Wikivoyage logo, but first I'm hoping to get feedback and assistance in making the best process for that possible. We had been considering ways to optimize logo selection by the community, with the idea that we would have plenty of time to talk about the process before needing it. Unfortunately, we now need something quite quickly. Accordingly, I'd be really grateful for feedback on the process, which has been posted here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Logo_contest_procedure You can read a little more about it here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Logo_contest_procedure If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ? It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first contest. Regards, -- Lionel Allorge April : http://www.april.org Lune Rouge : http://www.lunerouge.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote: On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org) lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org wrote: If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ? It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first contest. This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was a reason why not? - d. This particular question is being discussed in detail on Meta for I believe a couple of days. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote: On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org) lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org wrote: If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ? It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the first contest. This was the obvious thing that occurred to me too. I assume there was a reason why not? - d. This particular question is being discussed in detail on Meta for I believe a couple of days. Cheers Yaroslav Indeed. Lovely to have more people in that discussion, if you'd like to join in. :) Maggie -- Maggie Dennis Senior Community Advocate Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] Proposed prohibition of local uploads and deletion of non-free-licence working documents of Wikimedia events
Following this discussion up, I've proposed an exemption doctrine policy for Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Exemption_doctrine_policy On 29 May 2013 17:24, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Crossed to Wikimedia-l, see Deryck's e-mail below. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Wikimania community, There are currently two discussions on Meta which will have a fundamental impact on the technical logistics of all future Wikimania bids. As many of you would know, working documents of Wikimania bids, such as letters of support and venue information, are conventionally uploaded to Meta locally because they don't come with a Commons-compatible free licence. However, currently there's no explicit exemption doctrine policy on Meta, so two discussions are ongoing, with the aim of deleting all Wikimania-related non-free files which have been uploaded in the past years[1], and to ban future uploads of non-free media to Meta including Wikimedia events' working documents[2]. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#All_files_in_Category:Unfree_Wikimania_bid_media_files [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Restrict_or_abolish_local_file_uploading_to_Meta-Wiki Since this would mean future Wikimania bids may not include copies of third-party working documents on Meta, these proposals will change the logistics of Wikimania bids completely. I therefore urge all of you to scrutinise the proposed changes and comment as appropriate. Deryck WM2013 local team PS. To those of you who also run chapters: the proposed changes will mean that chapter financial statements may not be uploaded to / will be deleted from WMF-hosted wikis since they're have an implicit no-derivative requirement. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Or just get the entire taxonomy for a species quickly: http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=tree[4504][171,273,75,76,77,70,71,74,89] Cheers, Magnus On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Nik Everett never...@wikimedia.org wrote: I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime! I sure don't know when that time will be but I'll get to it! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44: What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really quickly and easily. It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS. From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both. Nemo P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but it's another story. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Hoi, This is great fun ... However from the perspective of taxonomy this is not complete at all. What is lacking are the names of the authors and the date of publication. Even this can be insufficient because there are instances where a description with the same name by the same people happened in the same year and in the same publication. Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti and succulents. I learned a lot in the process. Thanks, GerardM On 3 June 2013 15:23, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Or just get the entire taxonomy for a species quickly: http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=tree[4504][171,273,75,76,77,70,71,74,89] Cheers, Magnus On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Nik Everett never...@wikimedia.org wrote: I promise I'll get to looking at wikidata's search sometime! I sure don't know when that time will be but I'll get to it! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nikola Smolenski, 03/06/2013 11:44: What if this interface would exist? I believe it could be made really quickly and easily. It's not about interface only, for instance the search backend is completely broken and useless for Wikidata, AFAICS. From what I understand, the interface for Wikidata data is provided by client sites such as Wikipedia. There are no plans for inclusion of Wikispecies as client site, but if/when Wikispecies' needs are implemented this doesn't imply Wikispecies would be useless, rather that it would have easier access to data and could focus on its scope i.e. presenting such data. Currently it tries to do both and IMHO fails at both. Nemo P.s.: There are also connected problems like sv.wiki becoming a Wikispecies/Wikidata on its own with a million species bot-entries, but it's another story. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti and succulents. I learned a lot in the process. So, have you imported that to Wikidata yet? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies
Hoi, Taxonomy is not the thing that occupies me. It is however something I have experience with.. Everyone who knows anything about the taxonomy of plants can confirm that a taxon without publishing details is incomplete. Thanks, Gerard On 3 June 2013 17:03, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Really, taxonomy is tricky. FYI I have an 80 MB database with ONLY cacti and succulents. I learned a lot in the process. So, have you imported that to Wikidata yet? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My point is that the WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I asked a simple question about what the specifics of the complaint were, which has still not been answered. Instead the query has been brushed under the carpet and a pointless quibbling has ensued. I give up in frustration. Asking a simple question on this list appears to be a complete wate of effort. Peter Southwood - Original Message - From: Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, would that be bullying too? :-) I remember a site with a name like Wikithistown (with Thistown being the name of a specific city) with the self-description: Wikithistown is the Wikipedia of Thistown, using also the Wikipedia logo. A Wikimedia representative asked the site makers friendly to reconsider the wording and the use of the logo, and they did. But some Wikipedia volunteers were very pissed off, because those people in Thistown are nice and do good things. This has never been disputed, but to avoid confusion in the age of Wikileaks it is really important to make clear who is what and who. Kind regards Ziko Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland deputy chair Wikimedia Chapters Association Council Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/6/3 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info On 03/06/2013 10:49, Ziko van Dijk wrote: The case already cost money to the WMF, because of the time invested by our legal counsel. As with the Loriot stamps and the office action then, it's not worth to loose (even more) money for it. That might look different in a different legal system and with better odds. I am not quite happy with making this a moral question about 'standing up to bullies', Peter. If you want to fight bullying, there is a lot to do within the Wikipedia editing community... Kind regards Ziko This has already been raised in this thread, but I want to emphaise can we please not equate everyone who enforces their trademarks as bullies. If a trademark holder do not enforces their trademark, they lose the trademark. Enforcing ones trademark is what a trademark holder is suppose to do. Now we can argue that the WTO is being overly broad in their interpretation of the similarity between the two logos, then the question becomes whether the Wikivoyage logo is worth spending the money fighting over. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will
On Jun 3, 2013 2:17 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Cynics, skip this message! http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/ I came across this sentimental song about a world of encouragement and productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and work toward ideals and it reminded me of our shared mission, Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see fit. so I wanted to share it with you. -Sumana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Minutes from the April 18-19, 2013 Board Meeting
On 1 June 2013 13:20, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: I also see under Fundraising Agreements that Sue updated the Board on the chapter fundraising agreements for 2013-14. Is it possible to know more about this ? As a board member in a fundraising chapter, I don't remember hearing anything about the 2013-14 fundraising agreements so far, so I'm obviously curious about the updates... It was just a status report, Frédéric, a brief verbal update. What I said about WMCH was something to the effect of WMCH is in compliance with our agreements, and their participation in the 2012-13 campaign went fine. At this point, we expect them to payment-process again in 2013-14. Something to that effect. If we'd had a more extensive discussion about WMCH, as a WMCH Board member you would know it already :-) Thanks, Sue ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will
Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see fit. Oh, didn't know if anyone else would see that: http://en.communpedia.org/Lyrics:Somebody_Will Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Request for your thoughts on updating the Wikimedia trademark policy and practices
* Hi all, In the Legal and Community Advocacy team, we would like to open a community discussion about our trademark policy and practices. In our view, they can be clarified, and we want to hear your thoughts on updating them in a way that reflects the values of the community. Our trademark policy and practices should facilitate the broadest possible uses of the Wikimedia trademarks to further our missionhttps://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement[1]. At the same time, they also need to preserve the trademarks that represent the hard work of the community. An introductory statement posted herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_practices_discussion[2] is meant to launch this discussion and to invite you to share your ideas on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion[3] as to how you would like us to approach this question. If we may ask, please repost the statement widely on our projects and translate it into multiple languages, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_practices_discussion [2], so that as many as possible can participate in the discussion. Based on your comments, we intend to draft a new trademark policy and share it with you for your input, as we did with the Terms of Usehttp://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/31/terms-of-use/[4]. We expect this process to take several months as we hear different points of view and work together to prepare a potential new policy. Our hope is that this could be the most collaborative, creative, and international drafting of a trademark policy to date. As always, we are grateful for your help and wisdom. Geoff Yana Geoff Brigham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geoffbrigham General Counsel Yana Welinder https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:YWelinder_(WMF) Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation References: * * [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement ** [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_practices_discussion ** ** [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Trademark_practices_discussion * * [4] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/12/31/terms-of-use/ ** * ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan
The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does appear to have had an effect: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-thwart-government-plans-introduce-internet-blacklist-law Taiwanese users were going to stage an Internet black out on Tuesday June 4th. Several websites, including Wikipedia Taiwan and Mozilla Taiwan pledged to go dark in order to raise awareness. ... After several news outlets reported that the new initiative was akin to mainland China’s “Great Firewall,” the Taiwanese intellectual property office made an effort to reject the comparison ... In the face of these criticisms and the planned blackout, the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office abandoned this severe copyright law. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote: My dear colleagues, Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last year. For more information, you can read the following news reports: Focus Taiwan: http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx ZDNet: http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/ Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/ But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general users: http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use Google translate to read the news.) Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites is too over-reaction. We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the bill and ask the government to stop the act: http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0 We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion): http://goo.gl/fXi8g This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get the attention of TIPO and has some effects. My questions are: * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP? (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them) * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion) * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done? * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter? Thanks and Regards, Ted Chien Chairman Wikimedia Taiwan -- Blog: htttp://htchien.tw (http://htchien.tw/) Facebook: http://facebook.com/htchien Twitter: http://twitter.com/htchien LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/htchien ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will
Hi Sumana, The interpretation could be better, the melody could be merrier, and still, I liked the lyrics. Thanks for sharing! Seeing this I wonder if it would be possible for the WM movement to gain more presence, or better said, some presence in the cultural creation world. For instance, if sci-fi authors were given the task of imagining a wiki-world where free knowledge thrives... what would it look like? Or some criminal story, where edit wars go too far... :) I loved the xkcd fundraising campaign and I hope that there are more PR actions that not only focus on fundraising, but also in nurturing directly the cultural presence. Is it happening? Would it be wanted? Cheers, Micru On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Cynics, skip this message! http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/ I came across this sentimental song about a world of encouragement and productivity, in which everyone is encouraged to create, support and work toward ideals and it reminded me of our shared mission, so I wanted to share it with you. -Sumana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
