Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor
Hello James, The lesson was on the french wikipedia. I was thinking that it was account specific because the first time half of the new accounts had no VE, it looks like a random issue, but yesterday it was only one for 9 account created. Actually I haven't check the browser used, as they all use the same type of computer, I've done the assumption that it wasn't hardware or software dependent. Bbut now that you mention that, I remember that the students were using chrome, firefox and explorer, next tuesday I will take care that they all use chrome or firefox. Thanks Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 20:32, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org a écrit : On 15 October 2013 00:58, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Charles, Is this because of the browser they are using, the wiki they are trying to edit on, or specific to their account? Which wiki are you talking about this happening on? There was a configuration that we used in June for just over a week to A/B test VisualEditor, but that code is no longer around, so this should not be happening. However, users of Internet Explorer and some marginal or old browsers cannot use VisualEditor yet as we have not been able to get it to work there, which may explain the issue? Yours, -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. YMMV. For simple stuff it's actually great and has been wonderful for casual editors I've asked to try it. The problems really come on complicated pages. If they're creating completely fresh articles, I don't anticipate huge problems. If problems do happen, the VisualEditor tag is monitored closely enough they'll be picked up as bugs. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 07:26, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of preferences on signup. SJ In theory, I agree. Realistically, most new editors don't know the difference between A and B, or how it will affect their editing, so I don't know that it is really all that helpful. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 07:31, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a deserted ground? Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have noticed. YMMV. For simple stuff it's actually great and has been wonderful for casual editors I've asked to try it. The problems really come on complicated pages. If they're creating completely fresh articles, I don't anticipate huge problems. If problems do happen, the VisualEditor tag is monitored closely enough they'll be picked up as bugs. I think the problem when VE is turned on as default production editor on a busy project is that it is close to impossible for the small number of users who routinely monitor recent changes (or those who are monitoring VE) to catch all of the problems. Instead of just reviewing an individual edit, we have learned that edits often had effects further down in pages, or those that didn't really show up properly in the diff window, which meant having to look at the entire page before determining whether there was a problem. As I recall, certain common errors that happened in July were still being identified and fixed as late as mid-September on enwiki, and we have a pretty active Recent Changes patrol and a fair number of people monitoring VE edits. With the much reduced load now, it is much easier to spot these problems. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew. On 15 October 2013 13:11, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with something like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLoginenablevisualeditor=1 which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea. *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net Hear hear. I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win, given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)diff=prevoldid=574251354 , for those who aren't aware). Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone gets upset. From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page? Cheers, Craig On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new editors isn't my preferred method. Richard On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more you can reduce, the better. Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but is best suited to use in trainings. Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable visual editor) :-( Charles ___ I use this email for mailing list only. Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello Charles, I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process. To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login 1. Go to --- Preferences -- Click Editing tab. 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces) OR Follow this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing Then repeat step 2 above. Hope it helps. Thanks. Regards, Enock S. Nyamador. --- Writer | Wikimedian Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog C: +233 (0)27 565 7589 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing. Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user? Thanks Charles ___ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer Wikimedia CH – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch ___ Education mailing list educat...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] When was the first edit-a-thon(s)?
Hi everyone, I've asked a question on the new Program Evaluation Design portal about when people think the first edit-a-thons took place. (Or the very first, if we know!) It would be great to have your input on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Parlor/Questions Thank you and please spread the word! Sarah -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other new-user tools as well. CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface - is this sort of hook technically practical? Andrew. Yes, technically speaking it is probably not difficult to set VisualEditor opt-in on the basis of a URL parameter. How/if we should implement it that way, I leave up to James and the VE team. To be honest, if we think VE is more advantageous for new editors, we should be delivering by default for all of them, not selectively. The design team has been working on concepts for a design where the switch between wikitext and visual editing is done after hitting Edit, allowing us to consolidate the current confusing situation with two buttons. This is probably the most elegant solution. It makes room for individual users potentially setting their default edit mode to one or the other, reduces extra button clutter, etc. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Adventure, alpha testers needed
Hi folks! I've been working for the past 7 months on an interactive guided tour for new editors called '''The Wikipedia Adventure''', as part of a WMF Individual Engagement Grant. The game is an experiment in teaching our aspiring future editors in an educational but playful way. *This week I need some '''alpha-testers''' to kick the tires and basically try to break it. I'm interested in general impressions and suggestions of course, but I'm really looking for gnarly, unexpected browser issues, layout problems, workflow bugs, and other sundry errors that would prevent people from playing through and having a positive experience. *If you're able to spend 1-3 hours doing some quality assurance work this week, you would have: a) my sincere gratitude b), a sparkly TWA barnstar, c) special thanks in the game credits, and d) a chance to leave your mark on Wikipedia's outreach puzzle and new editor engagement efforts. *Please note that the game automatically sends edits to your own userspace and it lets you know when that will happen. If you want, you can register a new testing account just for the game, but it won't work properly unless you're logged-in by step 8 of mission 1 (when it lets you register on the fly). You can try it out at http://enwp.org/WP:TWA and leave feedback at http://enwp.org/WP:TWA/Feedback]]. Thanks much and cheers! --Jake Orlowitz (Ocaasi) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] When was the first edit-a-thon(s)?
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013, Sarah Stierch wrote: Hi everyone, I've asked a question on the new Program Evaluation Design portal about when people think the first edit-a-thons took place. (Or the very first, if we know!) It would be great to have your input on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Parlor/Questions Thank you and please spread the word! Sarah Sarah, Do you mean the first Wikimedia editathon, or the first editathon period? Editathons predate Wikipedia by years, and are about as old as the wiki itself. The old school name for them is barn raisings. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/BarnRaising -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] When was the first edit-a-thon(s)?
We've been discussing it on meta, where I'd prefer to maintain the conversation, but, I should have stated: The first edit-a-thon or event that involved people in a room together editing Wikipedia in some type of organized fashion -Sarah On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, October 16, 2013, Sarah Stierch wrote: Hi everyone, I've asked a question on the new Program Evaluation Design portal about when people think the first edit-a-thons took place. (Or the very first, if we know!) It would be great to have your input on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Parlor/Questions Thank you and please spread the word! Sarah Sarah, Do you mean the first Wikimedia editathon, or the first editathon period? Editathons predate Wikipedia by years, and are about as old as the wiki itself. The old school name for them is barn raisings. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/BarnRaising -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian* *www.sarahstierch.com* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
