Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-20 Thread Jeevan Jose 
All ended in a good way as Sven Manguard unblocked her.  Hope the Hebrew
Wikipedia will recover from the painful memories soon.

Regards,
Jee


On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:

> Suite of the drama.
>
> A request for a topic ban against LGA, who made these deletion
> requests, was started by Hanay, a user from the Hebrew Wikipedia.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:LGA
>
> Now she is blocked for one week for "canvassing", because she informed
> the Hebrew Wikipedia of the request.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections#Block_of_Hanay_for_cross-wiki_canvassing
>
> This affair is going to degenerate in a full war between Commons and
> some Wikipedias, if a solution is not found.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann
>
> 2014-06-17 5:04 GMT+05:30 Yann Forget :
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some Commons contributors like to ask impossible requirements, and
> > threaten to delete files if these are not met. We have now a case of
> > famous pictures from the government of Israel and Israel Defense
> > Forces.
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Matanya#Files_and_pages_that_were_deleted_by_User:Fastily_that_I_am_aware_of_them
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Beba_Idelson_Ada_Maimon1952.jpg
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abba_Hushi_1956.jpg
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aharon_Meskin_-_Ben_Gurion_-_Israel_Prize1960.jpg
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Avraham_Shlonsky_1952.jpg
> >
> > These are famous and valuable pictures, including two featured
> > pictures on the Hebrew Wikipedia. These files have already been
> > deleted and restored 3 times. When the URAA issue was not convincing
> > enough, a new reson for deletion was advanced: that publication
> > details were not given. Anyone with 2 bits of common sense can
> > understand that these famous pictures were published soon after they
> > were taken. There is no reasonable doubt about that. In addition,
> > publication is not a requirement for being in the public domain in
> > Israel.
> >
> > After I restored these images, I was threatem by LGA, who is a
> > delete-only account:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Yann
> > There, more contributors argue on this issue.
> >
> > By asking absurb requirements about publication details, these
> > contributors threaten the project as a whole. If insisting, it will
> > lead people to upload pictures like these locally instead of Commons.
> > Then the idea of a central repository for all Wikimedia projects is
> > gone.
> >
> > Instead of looking for a reason to destroy these files, they should
> > try to find a reason to keep them.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yann
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-20 Thread Yann Forget 
Suite of the drama.

A request for a topic ban against LGA, who made these deletion
requests, was started by Hanay, a user from the Hebrew Wikipedia.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:LGA

Now she is blocked for one week for "canvassing", because she informed
the Hebrew Wikipedia of the request.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections#Block_of_Hanay_for_cross-wiki_canvassing

This affair is going to degenerate in a full war between Commons and
some Wikipedias, if a solution is not found.

Regards,

Yann

2014-06-17 5:04 GMT+05:30 Yann Forget :
> Hi,
>
> Some Commons contributors like to ask impossible requirements, and
> threaten to delete files if these are not met. We have now a case of
> famous pictures from the government of Israel and Israel Defense
> Forces.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Matanya#Files_and_pages_that_were_deleted_by_User:Fastily_that_I_am_aware_of_them
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Beba_Idelson_Ada_Maimon1952.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abba_Hushi_1956.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aharon_Meskin_-_Ben_Gurion_-_Israel_Prize1960.jpg
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Avraham_Shlonsky_1952.jpg
>
> These are famous and valuable pictures, including two featured
> pictures on the Hebrew Wikipedia. These files have already been
> deleted and restored 3 times. When the URAA issue was not convincing
> enough, a new reson for deletion was advanced: that publication
> details were not given. Anyone with 2 bits of common sense can
> understand that these famous pictures were published soon after they
> were taken. There is no reasonable doubt about that. In addition,
> publication is not a requirement for being in the public domain in
> Israel.
>
> After I restored these images, I was threatem by LGA, who is a
> delete-only account:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/User_problems#User:Yann
> There, more contributors argue on this issue.
>
> By asking absurb requirements about publication details, these
> contributors threaten the project as a whole. If insisting, it will
> lead people to upload pictures like these locally instead of Commons.
> Then the idea of a central repository for all Wikimedia projects is
> gone.
>
> Instead of looking for a reason to destroy these files, they should
> try to find a reason to keep them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

2014-06-20 Thread rupert THURNER 
you know that we agree on most topics lodewijk.  but on this one we do not
:) i d be glad if i can make a picture of something by what i read and not
by what i am allowed to read by an arbitrary list moderator, who probably
does not even have my cultural context.

if somebody does write too often without adding value anybody on the list
is free to drop a private mail to this person. this works. especially  this
works with russavia.

rupert.
 Am 19.06.2014 09:20 schrieb "Lodewijk" :

> Please note that moderation is not a punishment: it is imposed as a measure
> to avoid future posts within a certain pattern of expectation when there
> are reasonable grounds to do so.
>
> I think many people will agree that Russavia has been uncivil on quite a
> few occasios - I would even go as far as that I'm not surprised any more if
> (s)he is uncivil on this list. Therefore, I think there is a reasonable
> expectation that the pattern will continue - and I find it acceptable to
> moderate a person in such a situation to ensure future posts will be
> posterboys of civilty (well, or at least somewhat moderate).
>
> I'm confident that the list moderators will moderate timely, will let
> through decent posts that approach civilty and that they will remove the
> moderation once the expectation of uncivil posts has been reversed (for
> example, when Russavia stopped making them).
>
> I do second the insinuated requests by Tomasz and Fae that other people
> should be held to the same standards in the future, and they be moderated
> too when a pattern of uncivil behavior develops.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2014-06-19 1:31 GMT+02:00 Nathan :
>
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Fæ  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have taken a moment to find a relevant reference to back up my
> > > memory, see [1] which shows Salvio giuliano vigorously defending his
> > > use of the word "butthurt". Salvio giulano is a current English
> > > Wikipedia Arbcom member. I have not bothered to research further use
> > > of this word by other current or past Arbcom members.
> > >
> > > I think most readers of this list will find it odd to see that
> > > "butthurt" used in a mild and colourful context on this list by
> > > Russavia, gets highlighted and becomes a matter of objection by
> > > Newyorkbrad, a current Arbcom member, resulting in Russavia being
> > > moderated for an unspecified duration, while another Arbcom member has
> > > previously stated that his use of the same rude word is perfectly
> > > appropriate and legitimate public behaviour for himself in the rough
> > > and tumble of frank discussion.
> > >
> > > Could the rationale for moderation be restated please, so that
> > > Russavia better understands what was unacceptable about his post here,
> > > and could we please have an idea as to what duration moderation is
> > > expected?
> > >
> > > Links
> > > 1.
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/CheckUser_and_Oversight/2012_CUOS_appointments/OS/Salvio_giuliano&diff=499668471&oldid=499659747
> > >
> > > PS I have not discussed this email with Russavia, nor has Russavia
> > > canvassed me about it.
> > >
> > > Fae
> > > --
> > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > This is the same discussion where you described using the word butthurt
> as
> > offensive in any context, inflammatory, uncivil, disrespectful and
> possibly
> > defamatory? What, again, was your complaint with Russavia being moderated
> > for writing it?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
Which btw is open source >> http://levan.cs.washington.edu/ngrams/README.txt


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 7:42 PM, David Cuenca  wrote:

> And all this about structured data gets even more interesting when you
> combine it with machine learning, like in LEVAN
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4As_JLR84
> http://levan.cs.washington.edu/?state=fetchNGrams&concept=apple
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
And all this about structured data gets even more interesting when you
combine it with machine learning, like in LEVAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4As_JLR84
http://levan.cs.washington.edu/?state=fetchNGrams&concept=apple
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
Perhaps also relevant:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/washington-post-new-york-times-and-mozilla-team-up-for-new-web-site-comment-system/2014/06/19/fa836e90-f71e-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html?hpid=z3


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, David Cuenca  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Markus Glaser  > wrote:
>>
>> There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
>> modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments with
>> sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].
>>
>
> And that is mediawiki-powered? Really cool!
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Markus Glaser 
wrote:
>
> There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
> modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments with
> sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].
>

And that is mediawiki-powered? Really cool!

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread Markus Glaser 

Hi Micru,


Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments.
There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a 
modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments 
with sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].


Best,
Markus

[1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Feature_map#1._Ratings_and_Reviews
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46440
>
> The difference with the OKFN annotation tool is the way of presenting the
number of comments. On the annotator they are shown directly as highlighted
text, here there is a number per paragraph, which perhaps makes the layout
less bloated.

Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 

David Cuenca, 20/06/2014 11:18:

Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments. I
can imagine that it would also make sense on wikipedia, where most comments
are related to specific points in the text.


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Feature_map#1._Ratings_and_Reviews
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46440

Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

2014-06-20 Thread David Cuenca 
Hi,

I really liked the way the comments are implemented on this website
https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/5e7ed624986d

Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments. I
can imagine that it would also make sense on wikipedia, where most comments
are related to specific points in the text.

The article itself is also worth a read ;-)

Cheers,
Micru
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 needs your help!

2014-06-20 Thread Chris McKenna 

Hello all

We're looking for extra hands to help with he smooth running of this 
year's Wikimania, so I and the rest of the team would be extremely 
grateful if any of you would consider giving a few hours of your time.


We will need volunteers to:

staff the registration desk, especially on Wednesday, Friday, and 
Saturday, when we expect to be at our busiest

moderate/invigilate sessions
direct attendees around the venue, and between the venue and other 
points (eg tube stations and hotels)

staff the information desk, assisting attendees with queries
help with streaming/recording sessions.


That's a non-exhaustive list, but if any of those roles appeal to you, or 
if you're interested in helping in another capacity, please complete the 
form at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dzXSoAnHF6StkBA2mKIklse6gZA6Uw-EIT2egTLC3ew/viewform 
or email me with any questions at ha...@wikimanialondon.org. Being an 
editor is not a prerequisite, so please do share this with anyone else 
you think might be interested.


For those of you in or around London (which I appreciate is a minority on 
this list), we are holding informal social events for volunteers in the 
weeks running up to Wikimania so that volunteers can get to know each 
other and get to know the the team, and these will be a great opportunity 
to learn more about Wikimania and get involved. These are scheduled for 
Sunday evenings: 22 June, 6 July, and 20 July (18:00-20:00); if there is 
significant demand, we may consider scheduling further events. If you'd 
like to come to any of these events, please let Harry know by email 
(ha...@wikimanialondon.org) or sign up on the wiki at 
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_drinks.


Any questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch.

Thanks,
Chris McKenna
Wikimania 2014 Support
Wikimedia UK


Chris McKenna

personal email: cmcke...@sucs.org
work email: chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk

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