Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Hi Garfield, Thanks for the clarification. It's surprising to me that posting a bank account number could lead to fraud - the bank systems are supposed to be robust enough for that. I know that all charities in the Netherlands post this number on their website - maybe it could be worth while to reach out and see if switching banks might improve the security, if Citibank didn't fix it themselves? (There is little relevancy of security to 'IBAN' itself of course, which is merely a bank account number. I'm assuming you're referring to what people can do using that number to get access in the bank). Anyway, best of luck with fixing the underlying problem! Best, Lodewijk On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org wrote: Lodewijk, IBAN and bank account information is sent out upon request due to the level of attempted bank fraud when the account information was posted on the website. I can review with our bank to see if IBAN security and fraud protection has improved so that we can publicly post our IBAN number. Regards, Garfield On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi Patricia, Thanks for telling that the iDEAL will be back soon. I don't quite understand from your answer why you add the increased hurdle of emailing the team for the IBAN though. Am I overlooking something? Best, Lodewijk On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Lodewijk, Currently IDEAL is temporarily down on our pages (it went into maintenance mode after our annual campaign), but should be back up soon :) We know the importance of this method for Dutch donors and have supported this option since we started fundraising in the NL. We also support offline bank transfer (IBAN) and donors can get the account number with our Donor Services team. We had an extremely successful Fundraising campaign this year, and there will be some great mobile optimization coming up in the next few months, which will allow mobile donors to complete their donations in a much faster and easier way. Thanks! Pats On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: A while back now, the chapters were no longer allowed to fundraise, because the Wikimedia Foundation argued they would be better able to do this. At the time, this sounded somewhat reasonable. However, since then, there have been some disturbing developments - at least for Dutch donors. No longer it is possible to pay electronically (iDEAL, one of the most common methods is no longer supported - 'electronic banking' simply refers you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:FundraiserLandingPagecountry=NLuselang=enutm_medium=spontaneousutm_source=fr-redirutm_campaign=spontaneous only allows credit card and paypal, and the 'other ways to give' simply sends you to the helpdesk if you want to make a bank transfer payment. What is the reasoning behind this? Have bank transfers become a legal swamp? Are there statistics suggesting that this method was no longer required by donors? Did the European bank account somehow get temporarily suspended? If it has become so hard to donate, maybe it makes more sense to send the donors to the local chapter pages where they can actually donate in the local suitable methods (in this case, Wikimedia Netherlands offers both iDEAL and IBAN http://www.wikimedia.nl/pagina/doneren-aan-wikimedia-nederland). One of the Dutch OTRS team members asked for elaboration, but didn't quite get a satisfying answer. I hope this is a temporary situation, and that this threshold will be removed again. It would be sad if we go through all kind of trouble to enable long tail methods like bitcoin, but skip bank transfer... Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Pats Pena | Sr. Manager, Global Operations Wikimedia Foundation office +1 (415) 839 6885 x6764 cell: +1 (415) 816 3349 fax: +1 (415) 284 9511 pp...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate. https://donate.wikimedia.org/* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
I vote for Brussels beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks for more. The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are typical Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate. But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope this contributes to this. Romaine 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
I recommend Trappist Rochefort 10, and gulden draak ;) Pierre-Selim Message d'origine De: Romaine Wiki Envoyé: samedi 29 novembre 2014 11:46 À: Wikimedia Mailing List Répondre à: Wikimedia Mailing List Objet: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all PS: I can recommend the beers: Kriek, Framboise, Peche, and some more. But it is recommend to drink these in Brussels to experience the region where it belongs to. In London I can recommend a Honey Dew! 2014-11-29 11:44 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: I vote for Brussels beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks for more. The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are typical Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate. But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope this contributes to this. Romaine 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
This is the best OT in wikimedia-l ever. Aubrey On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Pierre-Selim ps.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend Trappist Rochefort 10, and gulden draak ;) Pierre-Selim Message d'origine De: Romaine Wiki Envoyé: samedi 29 novembre 2014 11:46 À: Wikimedia Mailing List Répondre à: Wikimedia Mailing List Objet: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all PS: I can recommend the beers: Kriek, Framboise, Peche, and some more. But it is recommend to drink these in Brussels to experience the region where it belongs to. In London I can recommend a Honey Dew! 2014-11-29 11:44 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: I vote for Brussels beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks for more. The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are typical Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate. But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope this contributes to this. Romaine 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l , mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
British cheese is better than its reputation suggests, if you know where to look. However British cheeses are difficult to distinguish from British breeds of pig. Gloucester Old Spot, Lincolnshire Poacher, Oxford Sandy and Black, Balcombe Brown Ring, Yarg, Mangalitsa - can you tell which is a pig and which is a cheese without looking it up in a popular online encyclopedia? I think not. :) On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: This is the best OT in wikimedia-l ever. Aubrey On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Pierre-Selim ps.hu...@gmail.com wrote: I recommend Trappist Rochefort 10, and gulden draak ;) Pierre-Selim Message d'origine De: Romaine Wiki Envoyé: samedi 29 novembre 2014 11:46 À: Wikimedia Mailing List Répondre à: Wikimedia Mailing List Objet: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all PS: I can recommend the beers: Kriek, Framboise, Peche, and some more. But it is recommend to drink these in Brussels to experience the region where it belongs to. In London I can recommend a Honey Dew! 2014-11-29 11:44 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com: I vote for Brussels beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks for more. The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are typical Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate. But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope this contributes to this. Romaine 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
[Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers
Dear all, Recently the Affiliations Commitee, in order to improve its governance and in its need for improvement and organizational advise, voted in favor of appointing Delphine Ménard [1], Lodewijk Gelauff [2] and Bence Damokos [3] as non-voting advisers . They have provided this committee during their respective tenures as full members of this committee with invaluable expertise, governance advise and language and communication skills. Hence, this committee has decided to appoint them as advisers for a term ending on Deceber 31, 2016. Many thanks in advance to Delphine, Lodewijk and Bence for their contributions and support to the Affiliations Committee. And of course, congratulations! Best regards, Carlos 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 2: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 3: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Bence_Damokos_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 -- *Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain. Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
On 11/29/2014 1:05 AM, Lodewijk wrote: Hi Garfield, Thanks for the clarification. It's surprising to me that posting a bank account number could lead to fraud - the bank systems are supposed to be robust enough for that. I know that all charities in the Netherlands post this number on their website - maybe it could be worth while to reach out and see if switching banks might improve the security, if Citibank didn't fix it themselves? (There is little relevancy of security to 'IBAN' itself of course, which is merely a bank account number. I'm assuming you're referring to what people can do using that number to get access in the bank). One avenue for fraud that's facilitated by posting account numbers is small payment fraud, usually involving stolen credit cards. The basic technique is that when people illegally buy credit card numbers in large volumes, since they normally don't possess an actual card, they commonly test the validity of the card information by making very small online payments or donations to a known account. If the transaction goes through, they know the card number can be safely used for larger-scale fraud. Meanwhile, the small donations will invariably be backed out of the system, whether by the fraudsters themselves or by the financial institutions cleaning up later when the fraud is detected. I don't know if that's the specific reason for the decision here, but I know the fundraising team has dealt with fraud of this type in the past, and there may be other issues as well. Ultimately it may not directly threaten the security of our donors or the funds they contribute, but it does create costs to the organization when it has to identify and review a significant amount of fraudulent activity. Also, in financial circles becoming a target for fraud or money laundering, even inadvertently, could affect our reputation and the willingness of other organizations to work with us. As for our own difficulties around communications here, I suspect on all sides we don't fully appreciate the challenges involved when trying to merge financial cultures in a global sense. A system may provide relatively open access to credit while treating bank information as highly sensitive (as the US mostly does), or it may be more open with bank information while being much more restrictive about credit (as some European countries do). Each system has its security practices tailored to facilitating typical transaction flows within the system. The underlying assumptions may not work well across systems and may hinder the ability to establish smooth connections between the two sides. I certainly don't claim that the American system is necessarily superior, but in the past when we've considered in which jurisdiction the Wikimedia Foundation should base its operations, I think the financial regime has been a secondary consideration, relative to other priorities. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers
Congratulations Delphine, Lodewijk and Bence! So happy to see you all there. Best! Subhashish Panigrahi Programme Officer, Access To Knowledge Centre for Internet and Society @psubhashish On 30 ନଭେମ୍ବର 2014, at 1:39 am, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve wrote: Dear all, Recently the Affiliations Commitee, in order to improve its governance and in its need for improvement and organizational advise, voted in favor of appointing Delphine Ménard [1], Lodewijk Gelauff [2] and Bence Damokos [3] as non-voting advisers . They have provided this committee during their respective tenures as full members of this committee with invaluable expertise, governance advise and language and communication skills. Hence, this committee has decided to appoint them as advisers for a term ending on Deceber 31, 2016. Many thanks in advance to Delphine, Lodewijk and Bence for their contributions and support to the Affiliations Committee. And of course, congratulations! Best regards, Carlos 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 2: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 3: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Appointment_of_Bence_Damokos_as_adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014 -- *Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain. Carlos M. Colina Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Wikimedia always accepts donations. If the Wikimedia Foundation can't figure out a way to easily accept monetary donations from Dutch Wikimedians, why not simply focus efforts on non-monetary donations? Edits and other wiki contributions are far more valuable, in my opinion. Wikimedia Nederland seems to already be doing a lot of great work encouraging these types of contributions (e.g., Wiki Loves [X]). :-) For the past few years I've seen it as fairly low-hanging fruit to create a tongue-in-cheek don't donate to Wikipedia or donate time instead or similar campaign. Or even register DonateToWikipedia.org and send visitors to the edit form of an article that needs love. When people ask me in real-life about donating to Wikipedia (nobody knows what Wikimedia is), I typically suggest making a few edits instead of donating money directly. I don't think the Wikimedia Foundation really needs the money and I think volunteer time is worth significantly more. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: The banners may be effective, but they're not aligned with Wikimedia's values. I wouldn't come out quite as strongly against these banners, but I share the underlying sentiment. I agree that the urgency and alarm of the copy is not commensurate with my (admittedly limited) understanding of our financial situation. Could we run a survey that places the banner copy alongside a concise statement of the Foundation's financials, and which asks the respondent to indicate whether they regard the copy as misleading. Quantitative assessments of fundraising strategy ought to consider impact on all assets, tangible or not. This includes the Foundation's goodwill and reputation, which are (by common wisdom) easy to squander and hard to repair. It is critical that we be maximally deliberate on this matter. In addition to the survey suggested above, I want to also propose that we: (a) solicit input from a neutral reputation management consultancy, and (b) create a forum for staffers to talk openly about this matter, without fear of reprisal All that being said, since this is a tough thread, and since it is Thanksgiving weekend here in the US, it is a good opportunity to express how much I appreciate the work of the fundraising team. Banners are never going to be popular and it must be tough as hell to do this work while fielding rants and grumbles from everybody and their cousin. I consider it a stroke of cosmic luck that I get paid to work on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and I am grateful to you for making that possible. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Hoi, Do not be daft. The Wikimedia Foundation centralised its fundraising. It said that it would do a better job. Seen from a central periphery model, it probably does, However seen from the Netherlands it is rather silly., Pooh poohing this away with you can donate time as well is fine when you are in the centre. Recently chapters were told to fundraise. There is a point to that but it is also a specific skill. It is not smart to develop such skills and not make use of it in what is effectively the biggest fundraiser for a chapter. We are discussing,yet again, the text and approach of the fundraiser and we are yet again going through the same moves. We are a movement and the Wikimedia Foundation is not it. It does not optimise the opportunities for all of us. In the Netherlands, I would not be surprised when the amount of fundraising could at least double with local involvement. Thanks, GerardM On 30 November 2014 at 03:36, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Wikimedia always accepts donations. If the Wikimedia Foundation can't figure out a way to easily accept monetary donations from Dutch Wikimedians, why not simply focus efforts on non-monetary donations? Edits and other wiki contributions are far more valuable, in my opinion. Wikimedia Nederland seems to already be doing a lot of great work encouraging these types of contributions (e.g., Wiki Loves [X]). :-) For the past few years I've seen it as fairly low-hanging fruit to create a tongue-in-cheek don't donate to Wikipedia or donate time instead or similar campaign. Or even register DonateToWikipedia.org and send visitors to the edit form of an article that needs love. When people ask me in real-life about donating to Wikipedia (nobody knows what Wikimedia is), I typically suggest making a few edits instead of donating money directly. I don't think the Wikimedia Foundation really needs the money and I think volunteer time is worth significantly more. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
