date:20180416

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-16 Thread Joseph Seddon

 Hey Anthony.

These emails came in on a weekend and today is a WMF holiday so I suspect
it'll be another 24 hours or so before a response will get to you :)

Regards
Seddon

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Philippe Beaudette 
wrote:

> I suspect that the ad in question is a freebie, donated through Google's
> giveaway to nonprofits. If so there is a point person at wmf (maybe in the
> advancement team?) Who would know for sure.
>
> Philippe
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM Anthony Cole  wrote:
>
> > I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up.  (I’m in
> > Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4
> > redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field.
> [1]
> >  When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely,
> takes
> > you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to
> > believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone
> > from the WMF could chime in on this.
> >
> > 1.  https://instagram.com/p/BhpnGuehzhw/
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> > > people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
> > >
> > > I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to 
> wrote:
> > > > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> > > > people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
> > > >
> > > > I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
> > > incircumstantial
> > > > series of tirades.
> > > >
> > > > Vito
> > > >
> > > > 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter  >:
> > > >
> > > >> Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
> > > "outsiders"
> > > >> Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
> > > >>
> > > >> Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
> > > >>
> > > >> -- Original message--
> > > >> From: Robert Fernandez
> > > >> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM
> > > >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List;
> > > >> Cc:
> > > >> Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
> > > >>
> > > >> Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies,
> > > >> organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English
> > > >> Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone
> > > >> can edit" anymore.  So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and
> > > >> relevant claim these days.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole 
> > > wrote:
> > > >> > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
> > > linking
> > > >> to
> > > >> > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked
> encyclopedia.
> > We
> > > >> used
> > > >> > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
> > > honest
> > > >> > than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
> > reliability
> > > and
> > > >> > oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
> > > discussion
> > > >> > about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
> > else
> > > >> > uncomfortabe with this?
> > > >> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-16 Thread Philippe Beaudette

I suspect that the ad in question is a freebie, donated through Google's
giveaway to nonprofits. If so there is a point person at wmf (maybe in the
advancement team?) Who would know for sure.

Philippe

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM Anthony Cole  wrote:

> I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up.  (I’m in
> Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4
> redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field. [1]
>  When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely, takes
> you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to
> believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone
> from the WMF could chime in on this.
>
> 1.  https://instagram.com/p/BhpnGuehzhw/
>
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> > people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
> >
> > I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to  wrote:
> > > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> > > people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
> > >
> > > I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
> > incircumstantial
> > > series of tirades.
> > >
> > > Vito
> > >
> > > 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter :
> > >
> > >> Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
> > "outsiders"
> > >> Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
> > >>
> > >> Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
> > >>
> > >> -- Original message--
> > >> From: Robert Fernandez
> > >> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM
> > >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List;
> > >> Cc:
> > >> Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
> > >>
> > >> Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies,
> > >> organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English
> > >> Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone
> > >> can edit" anymore.  So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and
> > >> relevant claim these days.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole 
> > wrote:
> > >> > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
> > linking
> > >> to
> > >> > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
> We
> > >> used
> > >> > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
> > honest
> > >> > than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
> reliability
> > and
> > >> > oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
> > discussion
> > >> > about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
> else
> > >> > uncomfortabe with this?
> > >> > --
> > >> > Anthony Cole
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-16 Thread Anthony Cole

I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up.  (I’m in
Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4
redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field. [1]
 When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely, takes
you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to
believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone
from the WMF could chime in on this.

1.  https://instagram.com/p/BhpnGuehzhw/

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez 
wrote:

> > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
>
> I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to  wrote:
> > "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> > people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
> >
> > I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
> incircumstantial
> > series of tirades.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter :
> >
> >> Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
> "outsiders"
> >> Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
> >>
> >> Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
> >>
> >> -- Original message--
> >> From: Robert Fernandez
> >> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM
> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List;
> >> Cc:
> >> Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
> >>
> >> Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies,
> >> organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English
> >> Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone
> >> can edit" anymore.  So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and
> >> relevant claim these days.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole 
> wrote:
> >> > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
> linking
> >> to
> >> > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
> >> used
> >> > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
> honest
> >> > than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
> and
> >> > oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
> discussion
> >> > about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else
> >> > uncomfortabe with this?
> >> > --
> >> > Anthony Cole
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Craig Franklin passed away

2018-04-16 Thread Shlomi Fish

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 10:56:43 -0700
Lodewijk  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Through various other channels I learned the unfortunate news that Craig
> Franklin (Lankiveil) has recently passed away. He was a board member
> (2011-2015) and president (2013) at Wikimedia Australia, longtime English
> Wikipedian and admin, and until this month he was member of the Ombudsman
> Commission.
> 
> Craig was a lively participant in many of our meetings/conferences, and it
> was always a joy to see him enter a discussion.
> 
> Condoleances are being collected on his user talk page:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lankiveil
> 

sorry to hear that,

-- Shlomi

> Best regards,
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Craig Franklin passed away

2018-04-16 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak

This is deeply saddening. Craig was lively, funny and smart. I will miss
him.

Dj

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 19:57 Lodewijk  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Through various other channels I learned the unfortunate news that Craig
> Franklin (Lankiveil) has recently passed away. He was a board member
> (2011-2015) and president (2013) at Wikimedia Australia, longtime English
> Wikipedian and admin, and until this month he was member of the Ombudsman
> Commission.
>
> Craig was a lively participant in many of our meetings/conferences, and it
> was always a joy to see him enter a discussion.
>
> Condoleances are being collected on his user talk page:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lankiveil
>
> Best regards,
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Craig Franklin passed away

2018-04-16 Thread Lodewijk

Hi all,

Through various other channels I learned the unfortunate news that Craig
Franklin (Lankiveil) has recently passed away. He was a board member
(2011-2015) and president (2013) at Wikimedia Australia, longtime English
Wikipedian and admin, and until this month he was member of the Ombudsman
Commission.

Craig was a lively participant in many of our meetings/conferences, and it
was always a joy to see him enter a discussion.

Condoleances are being collected on his user talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lankiveil

Best regards,

Lodewijk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-16 Thread Robert Fernandez

> "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo

I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to  wrote:
> "   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
> people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo
>
> I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a incircumstantial
> series of tirades.
>
> Vito
>
> 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter :
>
>> Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders"
>> Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
>>
>> Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
>>
>> -- Original message--
>> From: Robert Fernandez
>> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List;
>> Cc:
>> Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
>>
>> Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies,
>> organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English
>> Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone
>> can edit" anymore.  So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and
>> relevant claim these days.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:
>> > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
>> to
>> > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
>> used
>> > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest
>> > than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and
>> > oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion
>> > about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else
>> > uncomfortabe with this?
>> > --
>> > Anthony Cole
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