Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

[Vi to]

Meh, sysops are a mean, not a goal. Bureaucrats even less.

On a wiki with just 302 active users according to mediawiki's loose
definition of activity this rings me the "bureaucracy explosion" bell.

Even with very low activity requirements I wonder how many administrative
tasks can be performed upon a 450 edits/day overall activity.

Vito

Il giorno ven 26 apr 2019 alle ore 00:41 Asaf Bartov 
ha scritto:

> This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities
> struggling with such a question.
>
>A.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ravishankar 
> Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time
> To: wikimediaindia-l 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
>
> After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to
> elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
>
> Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being
> not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars
> for a perfect admin.
>
> So, how did we solve?
>
> Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods
> of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship
> in many small wikis.
>
> We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial
> periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for
> adminship very high.
>
> We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the
> new admins.
>
> So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our
> sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
>
> Right now, we have 42 sysops  with one of the highest sysops per users
> ration among all global Wikis.
>
> We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar
> policy for bureaucrat election.
>
> We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel
> empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
>
> If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here
>  and the discussion in the related talk
> page.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

[Johan Jönsson]

Yes, we – Swedish Wikipedia – have had similar experiences with annual
reelections (since 2006) helping us both to keep the bar at a reasonable
level and to have a de-sysoping process that doesn't cause of strife and
rifts in the community. Works well for us.

//Johan Jönsson
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Den fre 26 apr. 2019 kl 00:41 skrev Asaf Bartov :

> This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities
> struggling with such a question.
>
>A.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ravishankar 
> Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM
> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time
> To: wikimediaindia-l 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
>
> After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to
> elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
>
> Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being
> not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars
> for a perfect admin.
>
> So, how did we solve?
>
> Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods
> of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship
> in many small wikis.
>
> We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial
> periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for
> adminship very high.
>
> We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the
> new admins.
>
> So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our
> sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
>
> Right now, we have 42 sysops  with one of the highest sysops per users
> ration among all global Wikis.
>
> We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar
> policy for bureaucrat election.
>
> We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel
> empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
>
> If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here
>  and the discussion in the related talk
> page.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ravi
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

[Philippe Beaudette]

The very smart Mr. Lih sayeth:

I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with
notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a direct
news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no.

[1]
https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_discusses_the_future_of_Israel

Me too.  In fact, I think this is something that Wikinews has always done
very well.  It also strikes me as an excellent, and quite functional, use
for a Wiki.  A wikivoices or wiki-interviews type project would be a fine
addition to the ecosystem, imho.  And it is very reasonable to think that
given its success in this area, Wikinews could very easily pivot to fill
that spot.

But a news competitor to traditional news outlets?  Nope, that it isn't.

Philippe

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:05 PM Andrew Lih  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:23 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers <
> jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew
> >
> > It seems to me that you're saying that, on the one hand, the policies
> that
> > make Wikipedia work well as an encyclopaedia (NOR, RS, V, NORUSH) are a
> > poor fit for a news-gathering operation and on the other hand, Wikipedia
> is
> > a success as a news-gathering operation.  These seem inconsistent to me.
>
>
> As Wikimedians we are secondary source news summarizers rather than primary
> source news gatherers. That’s where the difference lies primarily.
>
> I have been a fan of the times Wikinews did original interviews with
> notable folks [1] so this is perhaps a sustainable niche. But as a direct
> news wire competitor to AP, Reuters or AFP, no.
>
> [1]
> https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Shimon_Peres_discusses_the_future_of_Israel
>
>
> > However, I conclude from what you're saying that the best way forward is
> to
> > fold the Wikinews operation into Wikipedia.  Is that right?
>
>
> Fold Wikinews altogether so it doesn’t confuse the public. Wikipedia
> editors are already doing a stellar job.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:15 PM Andrew Lih  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:27 PM Jennifer Pryor-Summers <
> > > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Wikinews may not be doing too well, but (English-language) Wikipedia
> > > seems
> > > > to have taken up a news-gathering role not entirely consistent with
> its
> > > > encyclopediac mission: perhaps that's the reason.  Maybe the WMF
> should
> > > > sort out the demarcation issues.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jennifer,
> > >
> > > This has been a topic of discussion for more than a decade and the vast
> > > majority of the community has converged on the conclusion that Wikinews
> > > hasn't and won't ever work at any scale given its fundamental
> properties.
> > >
> > > News is often described as "the best obtainable version of the truth
> > given
> > > the constraints of a deadline." News depends on memorializing direct
> > > observation at a point in time. Therefore, the following policies that
> > make
> > > Wikipedia work are a bad fit for original, deadline reporting:
> > >
> > > Wikipedia:NOR - no original research
> > > Wikipedia:RS - requirement for reliable sources
> > > Wikipedia:V - verifiability
> > > Wikipedia:NORUSH - there is no deadline/eventualism
> > >
> > > Most anyone who tries Wikinews first hand will experience this mismatch
> > and
> > > realize it is a poor fit.
> > >
> > > However, rather than lament why Wikinews doesn't work, we should
> > celebrate
> > > the fact that we have found a better mode: entries that evolve minute
> to
> > > minute (oftentimes second to second) to best reflect the world as we
> know
> > > it. Embrace that new, live, constantly updated snapshot of reality –
> the
> > > Wikipedia article.
> > >
> > > If you want to see some of the earlier debates about the origins of
> > > Wikinews, October 2004 is a good place to look:
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/thread.html
> > > [2]
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-October/061017.html
> > >
> > > -Andrew
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

[Asaf Bartov]

This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities
struggling with such a question.

   A.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ravishankar 
Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time
To: wikimediaindia-l 


Hi,

Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.

After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to
elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,

Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being
not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars
for a perfect admin.

So, how did we solve?

Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods
of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship
in many small wikis.

We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial
periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for
adminship very high.

We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the
new admins.

So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our
sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.

Right now, we have 42 sysops  with one of the highest sysops per users
ration among all global Wikis.

We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar
policy for bureaucrat election.

We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel
empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.

If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here
 and the discussion in the related talk
page.

Thanks,

Ravi
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[Wikimedia-l] REMINDER: Invitation to the April 2019 Wikimedia Monthly Activities Meeting: Thursday 25 April, 18:00 UTC / Call for future proposals

[Greg Varnum]

Reminder that this meeting will begin in 15 minutes.


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Gregory Varnum 
> Subject: Invitation to the April 2019 Wikimedia Monthly Activities Meeting: 
> Thursday 25 April, 18:00 UTC / Call for future proposals
> Date: April 24, 2019 at 3:04:43 PM PDT
> To: WikimediaAnnounce-l 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As you perhaps noticed, the email for this month's meeting is coming out 
> late. We had some last minute cancellations, are forging ahead, but need your 
> help with this and future meetings.
> 
> *Next meeting*
> 
> For tomorrow's meeting, we are going to try a small experiment. We are asking 
> people in the audience to share 1-2 activities you are working on and excited 
> about, as well as 2-3 activities others are working on and you are excited 
> about.
> 
> You do not need to share details on the activities, it can be as simple as 
> the name of the activity or a quick one sentence description. We will collect 
> these via IRC, attempt to do so from the YouTube chat, and from people 
> attending in person. You may also email them directly to us if none of these 
> options work for you: activitiesmeet...@wikimedia.org 
> 
> 
> The next Wikimedia Monthly Activities meeting will take place on Thursday 25 
> April 2019 at 18:00 UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is
> #wikimedia-office on https://webchat.freenode.net 
> , and the meeting will be
> broadcast as a live YouTube stream:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZMZWX0bvnw 
> 
> 
> *Future meetings*
> 
> For future meetings, a reminder that the agenda of this meeting is meant to 
> belong to all of us, and we need your help to do that! If you (yes you!) have 
> a 3-15 minute presentation or update you would like to share with the 
> movement, please sign up on Meta-Wiki:  
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_monthly_activities_meetings/Sign_up 
> 
> 
> *Agenda:*
> 
> Facilitator: Gregory Varnum, Communications Strategist, Wikimedia Foundation
> 
>- Welcome and introduction to agenda - 2 minutes
>- Movement update - 3 minutes
>- Call for proposals for future meetings - 5 minutes
>- Movement strategy update - 15 minutes
>- Experiment activity (see above) - 15 minutes
>- Questions and discussion - 10 minutes
>- Wikilove - 5 minutes
> 
> Please review the meeting's Meta-Wiki page for further information about
> the meeting and how to participate:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_monthly_activities_meetings 
> 
> 
> The May 2019 monthly activities meeting will take place on Thursday
> 23 May starting at 18:00 UTC (11:00 Pacific Daylight Time). To sign up
> to participate, please visit:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_monthly_activities_meetings/Sign_up 
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> -- 
> 
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> Communications Strategist 
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 1Lib1Ref (1Bib1Ref) in May 2019!

[Jake Orlowitz]

Librarians and library lovers,

Next month from May 15th to June 5th we will be joining together around the
world to make Wikipedia more reliable.  You can participate in #1Lib1Ref by
simply adding a citation to Wikipedia's content.

That's all we ask and imagine: a world in which every librarian (or
archivist, reference professional, and scholar) adds 1 more reference to
Wikipedia.

This is the fourth year of the #1Lib1Ref campaign and our second time
running it in May, when it's more convenient for the southern hemisphere.
You can learn about this year's January campaign too in our recently
released learnings report.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Lessons/2019

Full resources and guides for participating in May are available on the
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The campaign will be fully tracked with daily metrics and leaderboard
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Login to start a new event or join up with an existing group for the May
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Please tell your library and library-loving friends about #1Lib1Ref in
May.  We need everyone's help to make Wikipedia more reliable!

Sincerely,

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[Wikimedia-l] Announcing 1Lib1Ref (1Bib1Ref) in May 2019!

[Jake Orlowitz]

Librarians and library lovers,

Next month from May 15th to June 5th we will be joining together around the
world to make Wikipedia more reliable.  You can participate in #1Lib1Ref by
simply adding a citation to Wikipedia's content.

That's all we ask and imagine: a world in which every librarian (or
archivist, reference professional, and scholar) adds 1 more reference to
Wikipedia.

This is the fourth year of the #1Lib1Ref campaign and our second time
running it in May, when it's more convenient for the southern hemisphere.
You can learn about this year's January campaign too in our recently
released learnings report.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/1Lib1Ref/Lessons/2019

Full resources and guides for participating in May are available on the
http://1lib1ref.org campaign website.

The campaign will be fully tracked with daily metrics and leaderboard
updates.  You can make sure your contribution is counted by using the
Program and Events Dashboard for your event, institution, or region.

Login to start a new event or join up with an existing group for the May
Campaign here:

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Please tell your library and library-loving friends about #1Lib1Ref in
May.  We need everyone's help to make Wikipedia more reliable!

Sincerely,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

[Pharos]

I was very glad to meet several of those involved at Wikimania Cape Town,
and am very pleased to congratulate them on their long work on Wikimedia
Korea coming to fruition.

Thank you to AffCom and the BoT, and let's hope this is not the last new
chapter / thematic org of 2019!

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 9:08 AM Michael Jahn 
wrote:

> Congratulations, Wikimedia Korea!
> Best
> Micha
> ---
> Michael Jahn
> Leiter Programme
> Director of Programs
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> https://wikimedia.de
>
> Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissens der Menschheit
> teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> https://spenden.wikimedia.de
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>
>
>
>
> Am Do., 25. Apr. 2019 um 09:50 Uhr schrieb Pierre-Selim <
> pierre-se...@huard.info>:
>
> > Good to see a new chapter approved!
> >
> > Kudos to volunteers of Wikimedia Korea!
> >
> > Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 09:26, Frans Grijzenhout  a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > We are very happy that another chapter is approved after so many years.
> > > Wikimedia Korea you are very welcome to join the ranks of the chapter
> > > affiliates. And I also want to express my gratitude to Affcom and BoT.
> > > Frans
> > >
> > > *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair
> > > +31 6 5333 9499
> > > --
> > > *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland*
> > > Mariaplaats 3  -  3511 LH Utrecht
> > > Kamer van Koophandel 17189036
> > > http://www.wikimedia.nl/
> > >
> > >
> > > Op wo 24 apr. 2019 om 15:48 schreef Samuel Patton <
> spat...@wikimedia.org
> > >:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations! Very heartening to see.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nabin K. Sapkota <
> > > > nboycreationne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Congratulations and looks forward to future collaboration.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Nabin
> > > > > Wikimedians of Nepal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Philip Kopetzky <
> > > > philip.kopet...@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Congrats Korea! :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr. <
> > bustr...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional
> > > > > > Cooperation
> > > > > > > (ESEAP) we would like to extend our congratulations to our
> member
> > > > > country
> > > > > > > for being elevated as a fully recognized chapter!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are looking forward to our future regional meeting and
> > > > > collaboration!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Butch
> > > > > > > Philippines
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note: ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of affiliates
> > > > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > > Indonesia, Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Australia, Wikimedia
> > Korea,
> > > > > > > Wikimedians in Thailand, Philippine Wikimedia Community User
> > Group,
> > > > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia, Wikimedia User Group
> > > China,
> > > > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, and Vietnam
> > Wikimedians.
> > > > > > > Membership also include Wikimedia communities and nationalities
> > of
> > > > > > Brunei,
> > > > > > > Cambodia, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Myanmar, New Zealand,
> > Papua
> > > > New
> > > > > > > Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste (East Timor).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:11 AM María Sefidari <
> > > > msefid...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation
> > > > > > > Board
> > > > > > > > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedia
> > > > Korea!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For more information about our newest Wikimedia chapter,
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > Korea,
> > > > > > > > please see the announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation
> > website:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/23/wikimedia-korea-new-chapter-affiliate-launches-in-south-korea/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I want to congratulate the new chapter and recognize their
> > > > > commitment,
> > > > > > > > efforts, and time involved in moving through the chapter
> > > > recognition
> > > > > > > > process over the past year. From their work building
> > partnerships
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > universities, to supporting and training new editors in South

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

[Michael Jahn]

Congratulations, Wikimedia Korea!
Best
Micha
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Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
https://wikimedia.de

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teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
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Am Do., 25. Apr. 2019 um 09:50 Uhr schrieb Pierre-Selim <
pierre-se...@huard.info>:

> Good to see a new chapter approved!
>
> Kudos to volunteers of Wikimedia Korea!
>
> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 09:26, Frans Grijzenhout  a
> écrit :
>
> > We are very happy that another chapter is approved after so many years.
> > Wikimedia Korea you are very welcome to join the ranks of the chapter
> > affiliates. And I also want to express my gratitude to Affcom and BoT.
> > Frans
> >
> > *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair
> > +31 6 5333 9499
> > --
> > *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland*
> > Mariaplaats 3  -  3511 LH Utrecht
> > Kamer van Koophandel 17189036
> > http://www.wikimedia.nl/
> >
> >
> > Op wo 24 apr. 2019 om 15:48 schreef Samuel Patton  >:
> >
> > > Congratulations! Very heartening to see.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nabin K. Sapkota <
> > > nboycreationne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations and looks forward to future collaboration.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Nabin
> > > > Wikimedians of Nepal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Philip Kopetzky <
> > > philip.kopet...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Congrats Korea! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr. <
> bustr...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional
> > > > > Cooperation
> > > > > > (ESEAP) we would like to extend our congratulations to our member
> > > > country
> > > > > > for being elevated as a fully recognized chapter!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are looking forward to our future regional meeting and
> > > > collaboration!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Butch
> > > > > > Philippines
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note: ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of affiliates
> > > > Wikimedia
> > > > > > Indonesia, Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Australia, Wikimedia
> Korea,
> > > > > > Wikimedians in Thailand, Philippine Wikimedia Community User
> Group,
> > > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia, Wikimedia User Group
> > China,
> > > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, and Vietnam
> Wikimedians.
> > > > > > Membership also include Wikimedia communities and nationalities
> of
> > > > > Brunei,
> > > > > > Cambodia, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Myanmar, New Zealand,
> Papua
> > > New
> > > > > > Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste (East Timor).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:11 AM María Sefidari <
> > > msefid...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia
> > > Foundation
> > > > > > Board
> > > > > > > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedia
> > > Korea!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For more information about our newest Wikimedia chapter,
> > Wikimedia
> > > > > Korea,
> > > > > > > please see the announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation
> website:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/23/wikimedia-korea-new-chapter-affiliate-launches-in-south-korea/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to congratulate the new chapter and recognize their
> > > > commitment,
> > > > > > > efforts, and time involved in moving through the chapter
> > > recognition
> > > > > > > process over the past year. From their work building
> partnerships
> > > > with
> > > > > > > universities, to supporting and training new editors in South
> > > Korea,
> > > > we
> > > > > > > look forward to seeing the impactful work from our community
> > > members
> > > > in
> > > > > > > South Korea as they advance in their new affiliate role.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As many of you know, this is our first chapter approval in
> > several
> > > > > years
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > > since the newest Wikimedia affiliate approval processes were
> put
> > in
> > > > > > place.
> > > > > > > This marks a new moment in the history of our Wikimedia
> movement
> > > > > > > affiliates. The Board appreciates the amazing work coming from
> > > these
> > > > > user
> > > > > > > groups around the world, and is inspired to see how 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Education SAARC conference programme submission are open.

[Ananth Subray]

Dear All,
Small correction -  Please note the date to submit the proposal will start
from today (25 April 2019).


Thanks and Regards,


*ANANTH SUBRAY P V*

MSc Candidate at CHRIST (Deemed to be University)

Programme Associate at The Centre for Internet & Society


Secretary of Wikipedia & Education User Group


Co-founder of Lakshya


+91-9739811664


On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 1:51 PM Ananth Subray 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Greetings from CIS-A2K. We are happy to announce that, Wikimedia Education
> SAARC conference 2019 programme submissions (proposals) are open[1]. It
> will be a full-weekend Conference to talk about the relation between
> Wikimedia and our education projects, and the way Education is being shaped
> in SAARC countries.
>
> We request all the interested Wikimedians to submit the programme
> submissions (proposals). Please note the date to submit the proposal will
> start from today (25 May 2019). The last date for submission is 10 May
> 2019.
>
> The other important dates for the conference are
>
>- Scholarship applications open: 10 May 2019
>- Deadline for applying for scholarships: 20 May 2019
>- Applicants will be notified about final decisions: 25 May 2019
>- The final list of recipients will be announced: 25 May 2019
>
>
>
> [1].  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Education_SAARC_conference
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
>
> *ANANTH SUBRAY P V*
>
> MSc Candidate at CHRIST (Deemed to be University)
>
> Programme Associate at The Centre for Internet & Society
> 
>
> Secretary of Wikipedia & Education User Group
> 
>
> Co-founder of Lakshya
> 
>
> +91-9739811664
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Education SAARC conference programme submission are open.

[Ananth Subray]

Hello everyone,

Greetings from CIS-A2K. We are happy to announce that, Wikimedia Education
SAARC conference 2019 programme submissions (proposals) are open[1]. It
will be a full-weekend Conference to talk about the relation between
Wikimedia and our education projects, and the way Education is being shaped
in SAARC countries.

We request all the interested Wikimedians to submit the programme
submissions (proposals). Please note the date to submit the proposal will
start from today (25 May 2019). The last date for submission is 10 May
2019.

The other important dates for the conference are

   - Scholarship applications open: 10 May 2019
   - Deadline for applying for scholarships: 20 May 2019
   - Applicants will be notified about final decisions: 25 May 2019
   - The final list of recipients will be announced: 25 May 2019



[1].  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Education_SAARC_conference

Thanks and Regards,


*ANANTH SUBRAY P V*

MSc Candidate at CHRIST (Deemed to be University)

Programme Associate at The Centre for Internet & Society


Secretary of Wikipedia & Education User Group


Co-founder of Lakshya


+91-9739811664
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

[Pierre-Selim]

Good to see a new chapter approved!

Kudos to volunteers of Wikimedia Korea!

Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 09:26, Frans Grijzenhout  a
écrit :

> We are very happy that another chapter is approved after so many years.
> Wikimedia Korea you are very welcome to join the ranks of the chapter
> affiliates. And I also want to express my gratitude to Affcom and BoT.
> Frans
>
> *Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair
> +31 6 5333 9499
> --
> *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland*
> Mariaplaats 3  -  3511 LH Utrecht
> Kamer van Koophandel 17189036
> http://www.wikimedia.nl/
>
>
> Op wo 24 apr. 2019 om 15:48 schreef Samuel Patton :
>
> > Congratulations! Very heartening to see.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nabin K. Sapkota <
> > nboycreationne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations and looks forward to future collaboration.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Nabin
> > > Wikimedians of Nepal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Philip Kopetzky <
> > philip.kopet...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congrats Korea! :-)
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr. 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional
> > > > Cooperation
> > > > > (ESEAP) we would like to extend our congratulations to our member
> > > country
> > > > > for being elevated as a fully recognized chapter!
> > > > >
> > > > > We are looking forward to our future regional meeting and
> > > collaboration!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Butch
> > > > > Philippines
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of affiliates
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > > Indonesia, Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Australia, Wikimedia Korea,
> > > > > Wikimedians in Thailand, Philippine Wikimedia Community User Group,
> > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia, Wikimedia User Group
> China,
> > > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, and Vietnam Wikimedians.
> > > > > Membership also include Wikimedia communities and nationalities of
> > > > Brunei,
> > > > > Cambodia, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Papua
> > New
> > > > > Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste (East Timor).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:11 AM María Sefidari <
> > msefid...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia
> > Foundation
> > > > > Board
> > > > > > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedia
> > Korea!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For more information about our newest Wikimedia chapter,
> Wikimedia
> > > > Korea,
> > > > > > please see the announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/23/wikimedia-korea-new-chapter-affiliate-launches-in-south-korea/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to congratulate the new chapter and recognize their
> > > commitment,
> > > > > > efforts, and time involved in moving through the chapter
> > recognition
> > > > > > process over the past year. From their work building partnerships
> > > with
> > > > > > universities, to supporting and training new editors in South
> > Korea,
> > > we
> > > > > > look forward to seeing the impactful work from our community
> > members
> > > in
> > > > > > South Korea as they advance in their new affiliate role.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As many of you know, this is our first chapter approval in
> several
> > > > years
> > > > > -
> > > > > > since the newest Wikimedia affiliate approval processes were put
> in
> > > > > place.
> > > > > > This marks a new moment in the history of our Wikimedia movement
> > > > > > affiliates. The Board appreciates the amazing work coming from
> > these
> > > > user
> > > > > > groups around the world, and is inspired to see how far some of
> > these
> > > > > > groups have come in terms of their impact both on our movement
> and
> > > > their
> > > > > > local communities. Indeed, we should all be proud of the impact
> our
> > > > > > affiliates continue to have on our projects, our vision, and the
> > > world
> > > > > > around us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any affiliate interested in becoming a chapter or thematic
> > > organization
> > > > > > must have at least two years of activities and experience as a
> user
> > > > group
> > > > > > before applying. Please check out the user group creation guide
> to
> > > get
> > > > a
> > > > > > user group started - it is meant to be very easy:
> > > > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups/Creation_guide
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can find a lot more information about our movement affiliates
> > > model
> > > > > on
> > > > > > Meta:
> > > > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Models
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may also reach out to the 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

[Frans Grijzenhout]

We are very happy that another chapter is approved after so many years.
Wikimedia Korea you are very welcome to join the ranks of the chapter
affiliates. And I also want to express my gratitude to Affcom and BoT. Frans

*Frans Grijzenhout*, voorzitter / chair
+31 6 5333 9499
-- 
*Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland*
Mariaplaats 3  -  3511 LH Utrecht
Kamer van Koophandel 17189036
http://www.wikimedia.nl/


Op wo 24 apr. 2019 om 15:48 schreef Samuel Patton :

> Congratulations! Very heartening to see.
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nabin K. Sapkota <
> nboycreationne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations and looks forward to future collaboration.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nabin
> > Wikimedians of Nepal
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Philip Kopetzky <
> philip.kopet...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats Korea! :-)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr. 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional
> > > Cooperation
> > > > (ESEAP) we would like to extend our congratulations to our member
> > country
> > > > for being elevated as a fully recognized chapter!
> > > >
> > > > We are looking forward to our future regional meeting and
> > collaboration!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Butch
> > > > Philippines
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Note: ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of affiliates
> > Wikimedia
> > > > Indonesia, Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Australia, Wikimedia Korea,
> > > > Wikimedians in Thailand, Philippine Wikimedia Community User Group,
> > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia, Wikimedia User Group China,
> > > > Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, and Vietnam Wikimedians.
> > > > Membership also include Wikimedia communities and nationalities of
> > > Brunei,
> > > > Cambodia, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Papua
> New
> > > > Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste (East Timor).
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:11 AM María Sefidari <
> msefid...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia
> Foundation
> > > > Board
> > > > > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedia
> Korea!
> > > > >
> > > > > For more information about our newest Wikimedia chapter, Wikimedia
> > > Korea,
> > > > > please see the announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/23/wikimedia-korea-new-chapter-affiliate-launches-in-south-korea/
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to congratulate the new chapter and recognize their
> > commitment,
> > > > > efforts, and time involved in moving through the chapter
> recognition
> > > > > process over the past year. From their work building partnerships
> > with
> > > > > universities, to supporting and training new editors in South
> Korea,
> > we
> > > > > look forward to seeing the impactful work from our community
> members
> > in
> > > > > South Korea as they advance in their new affiliate role.
> > > > >
> > > > > As many of you know, this is our first chapter approval in several
> > > years
> > > > -
> > > > > since the newest Wikimedia affiliate approval processes were put in
> > > > place.
> > > > > This marks a new moment in the history of our Wikimedia movement
> > > > > affiliates. The Board appreciates the amazing work coming from
> these
> > > user
> > > > > groups around the world, and is inspired to see how far some of
> these
> > > > > groups have come in terms of their impact both on our movement and
> > > their
> > > > > local communities. Indeed, we should all be proud of the impact our
> > > > > affiliates continue to have on our projects, our vision, and the
> > world
> > > > > around us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any affiliate interested in becoming a chapter or thematic
> > organization
> > > > > must have at least two years of activities and experience as a user
> > > group
> > > > > before applying. Please check out the user group creation guide to
> > get
> > > a
> > > > > user group started - it is meant to be very easy:
> > > > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups/Creation_guide
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can find a lot more information about our movement affiliates
> > model
> > > > on
> > > > > Meta:
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Models
> > > > >
> > > > > You may also reach out to the Affiliations Committee with questions
> > or
> > > to
> > > > > begin the approval process for your group:
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee
> > > > > Please join me in congratulating Wikimedia Korea for this important
> > > > > achievement and thanking the members of the Affiliations Committee
> > and
> > > > > Wikimedia Foundation staff who supported and worked with them
> during
> > > this
> > > > > long 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

[Peter Southwood]

Perception is in the eye of the beholder,
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 6:20 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system 
for our 2030 goals]

Peter

Our brand is already on it in these cases, and yes it would be sending a
> message - "We want you to risk your time and effort on our projects but we
> may later decide to discard everything you worked for"
>

I don;t think "discard" is right.  The message would be "... but if it
doesn't work out then we won't continue to waste your time and effort and
our donations indefinitely". That's realistic.

JPS
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