Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-3:27 מאת ‪Strainu‬‏ <‪strain...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

> În joi, 12 dec. 2019 la 00:21, Amir Sarabadani  a
> scris:
> >
> > Do you know about
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?
>
> Those are all evolutions, I think the question here was about a revolution.
>
> The main problem I see with that is that is changing all the on-wiki
> templates and scripts that work with the current skin.


Indeed, this is the biggest reason.

And it would be about 900 times more manageable if they weren't different
in every wiki as they are now. If any big rewrite is done in the design,
the templates and the gadgets will have to be massively updated in any
case. This design will be designed and implemented once, in core MediaWiki
or in an extension. The question is—will the templates and the gadgets have
to be updated 900 times, on every wiki, or just once.

It must become possible to store templates, modules, and gadgets in a
global wiki. Not all of them have to be global, because some are unique to
a certain wiki. But most can be shared. The work on this can start already
now, so that when a big redesign comes—and surely it will come one fine
day—most templates and gadgets will have to be only once.

A good place to agree or to disagree with this is
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates


> There is also a
> question of opportunity: with less and less desktop users, it just
> makes more sense to invest in the mobile experience (and the beta mode
> there is super cool, but still breaks some templates).


The tragic thing here is that reading is increasingly done on mobile
devices, and in some countries it's already the majority of pageviews. But
editing is mostly done on the desktop, which looks completely differently.
So editors don't even see a preview of how what they write will look for
*most* readers.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Aron Manning 
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 07:04, Stryn  wrote:

> You can use
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
> to set the same skin everywhere.
>

Thank you so much! I was looking for this...

Aron
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Stryn 
You can use
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
to set the same skin everywhere.

Sent from mobile

to 12. jouluk. 2019 klo 6.57 Aron Manning 

> Btw, switching
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
> >
> to *Timeless* or *Minerva* (mobile) skin gives a bit nicer experience than
> the default Vector skin.
> Unfortunately, it has to be changed individually on each wiki you use.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Aron Manning 
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
That's nice. Try these redesigns with an adblocker for a comparison:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns#/Live_sites
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns#Live_sites
https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns#Live_sites
https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Wikipedia (redesign and fork)

Btw, switching

to *Timeless* or *Minerva* (mobile) skin gives a bit nicer experience than
the default Vector skin.
Unfortunately, it has to be changed individually on each wiki you use.

Imo Timeless should be the default, that's the closest to modern designs.
With these improvements it would be quite close to the modern
alternatives:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements

Aron


On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 at 22:48, John Erling Blad  wrote:

> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
>
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Strainu 
În joi, 12 dec. 2019 la 00:21, Amir Sarabadani  a scris:
>
> Do you know about
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?

Those are all evolutions, I think the question here was about a revolution.

The main problem I see with that is that is changing all the on-wiki
templates and scripts that work with the current skin. There is also a
question of opportunity: with less and less desktop users, it just
makes more sense to invest in the mobile experience (and the beta mode
there is super cool, but still breaks some templates).

Strainu
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:48 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> > Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
> >
> > Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> > https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
> >
> > John Erling Blad
> > /jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Amir Sarabadani 
Do you know about
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:48 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
>
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
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[Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread John Erling Blad 
Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?

Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens

John Erling Blad
/jeblad
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: November 2019

2019-12-11 Thread The 'This Month in GLAM' team 
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Australia report: Wiki Loves Monuments
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Finland report: Combining the old and the new
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France report: Wikimedia training workshops; Conference in the city of Arles
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Netherlands report: IHLIA starts monthly Wikipedia writing sessions, Wiki
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New Zealand report: Wellington talks and edit-a-thons
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Poland report: Transgressing the boundaries of internal academic discourse
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USA report: A busy conference season, a new Caribbean community and
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