[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bing-ChatGPT

[Eduardo Testart]

Hi again,

Another potentially interesting podcast for some touching this matter (more
or less):
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/podcasts/hard-fork-bing-ai-elon.html

Linked to the ones I sent before on the other thread.

If this is the new Napster revolution equivalent, yeah I know... back in
the day, buckle up!


Cheers,

On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 17:33 Jimmy Wales  wrote:

> Speaking only for myself, out of curiosity, some real world examples might
> be helpful here.   I don't have access to Bing's
> version yet, but I do have access to chat.openai.com which is very
> impressive but deeply flawed.
>
> I asked "Who is Kate Garvey?" (my wife, known a bit to the media, but not
> famous) and the answer is weird and laughably bad with
> more sentences false than true.   Among other silly things, it says that
> she worked for Theresa May and was involved
> with Brexit negotiations, which if you knew my wife's politics borders on
> libel.  It also says she co-founded an organization
> (which as far as I can tell, it just made up out of thin air) with Nick
> Clegg's wife.  It's completely mad.
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-02-20 09:34, Anders Wennersten wrote:
>
> > BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft. > > And from what I
> understand they use Wikipedia content considerably. > If you ask Who is A B
> and A B is not widely known, the result is more > or less identical to the
> content from the Wikipedia article (but > worse, as it "makes up" facts
> that is incorrect). > > In a way I am glad to see Wikipedia is fully
> relevant even in this > emerging AI-driven search world. But Google search
> has ben careful to > always have a link to Wikipedia besides their made up
> summary of > facts, which here it is missing (yet?). And for licences, they
> are > all ignored. > > So if this is the future the number of accesses from
> users to > Wikipedia will collapse, and also their willingness to donate...
> (but > our content still a cornerstone for knowledge) > > Anders > > (I got
> a lot of fact from an article in Swedish main newspaper by > their tech
> editor. He started asking fact of himself, and when he > received facts
> from his Wp article plus being credited to a book he > had noting to do
> with, he started to try to tell/learn ChatGPT of > this error. The chatPGT
> only got angry accusing the techeditor for > lying and in the end cut off
> the conversation, as ChatGPT continued > to teat the techeditor as lyer and
> vandal..). > ___ Wikimedia-l
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [African Wikimedians] Invitation to episode 21 of WikiAfrica Hour

[Festus Yemi]

Hello,

Thanks for sharing.

Festus

On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 9:24 PM Ceslause Ogbonnaya 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I wish to invite you to episode 21 of WIkiAfrica Hour, title *Commons:
> Inside out, *where we shall be discussing Wikimedia Commons user
> experience and many other interesting details, including how Wikimedia
> Commons could be improved in order to fit into what the Wikimedia
> Foundation wants to achieve through the 2030 Movement Strategy.
>
> Guests include:
>
>1. Wilson Oluoha 
>- Community facilitator, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
>2. Ziko Van Dijk  - Wiki
>expert, Netherlands/Germany
>3. Fiona Romeo  -
>Member, 2022 Image Description Week
> Working group
>
> Date: 24th February 2023
> Time: 4pm UTC
> Details: http://w.wiki/5dft 
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bing-ChatGPT

[Jimmy Wales]

Speaking only for myself, out of curiosity, some real world examples 
might be helpful here.   I don't have access to Bing's
version yet, but I do have access to chat.openai.com which is very 
impressive but deeply flawed.


I asked "Who is Kate Garvey?" (my wife, known a bit to the media, but 
not famous) and the answer is weird and laughably bad with
more sentences false than true.   Among other silly things, it says that 
she worked for Theresa May and was involved
with Brexit negotiations, which if you knew my wife's politics borders 
on libel.  It also says she co-founded an organization
(which as far as I can tell, it just made up out of thin air) with Nick 
Clegg's wife.  It's completely mad.





On 2023-02-20 09:34, Anders Wennersten wrote:

BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft.  > > And from what I understand they use Wikipedia content 
considerably. > If you ask Who is A B and A B is not widely known, the 
result is more > or less identical to the content from the Wikipedia 
article (but > worse, as it "makes up" facts that is incorrect). > > In 
a way I am glad to see Wikipedia is fully relevant even in this > 
emerging AI-driven search world. But Google search has ben careful to > 
always have a link to Wikipedia besides their made up summary of > 
facts, which here it is missing (yet?). And for licences, they are > all 
ignored. > > So if this is the future the number of accesses from users 
to > Wikipedia will collapse, and also their willingness to donate... 
(but > our content still a cornerstone for knowledge) > > Anders > > (I 
got a lot of fact from an article in Swedish main newspaper by > their 
tech editor. He started asking fact of himself, and when he > received 
facts from his Wp article plus being credited to a book he > had noting 
to do with, he started to try to tell/learn ChatGPT of > this error. The 
chatPGT only got angry accusing the techeditor for > lying and in the 
end cut off the conversation, as ChatGPT continued > to teat the 
techeditor as lyer and vandal..). > 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bing-ChatGPT

[Kim Bruning via Wikimedia-l]

FWIW YMMV,

Executive Summary:
==

* I looked into Stable Diffusion recently. BEWARE: The actual technical and 
legal
  situation on the ground with these systems is VERY different from what -say- 
twitter 
  will lead you to believe. Also :Everything you know will be wrong and out of
  date inside 1-2 months at this time. 

* In general: Times are changing. For better or for worse;
  if we seize the initiative here, we may be able to advance our cause
  considerably.


Stable Diffusion:
==

I recently got into a kerfluffle elsewhere wrt Stable Diffusion,
which is a similar technology, forcing me to research it in more detail.

Initially I was inclined to take claims by people opposed to SD at face
value, (people claimed with absolute certainty that SD was art-theft,
unethical, out to destroy artists, and all around Bad Guys (tm) ...

... but on researching I was surprised to find:

* SD was FLOSS and scrupulously annotated. (may or may not be
relevant here)

and/or when I looked at the (C) situation one or more of the following
applied: 
* there was no copyright whatsoever due to significant non-human input [1]. 
* Or there was a very strong case for transformative fair use and significant 
  non-infringing uses as per [2].
* And even IF any actual copying/derivation could be argued, it was de minimis 
[3] 
  (on average 2 bits of data per 50 byte image) 


Finally:
* The current rate of innovation in this sphere is dizzying. From ugly
  muddy blobs ~12 months ago to 


This situation surprised me somewhat. I would be very interested to see what the
ChatGPT defense will look like. 


In general:
=

On the short term, precedents or
reactive legislation _might_ hurt wikipedia somewhat, but in the mid-term
I have a hope that the (C) system will be found to be in need of an
overhaul anyway. This would then be an opportunity for CC/FLOSS to engage and
advance our goals and advocate for our ethics.


sincerely,
Kim




[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis



On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 10:34:16AM +0100, Anders Wennersten wrote:
> BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft.
> 
> And from what I understand they use Wikipedia content considerably. If you
> ask Who is A B and A B is not widely known, the result is more or less
> identical to the content from the Wikipedia article (but worse, as it "makes
> up" facts that is incorrect).
> 
> In a way I am glad to see Wikipedia is fully relevant even in this emerging
> AI-driven search world. But Google search has ben careful to always have a
> link to Wikipedia besides their made up summary of facts, which here it is
> missing (yet?). And for licences, they are all ignored.
> 
> So if this is the future the number of  accesses from users to Wikipedia
> will collapse, and also their willingness to donate... (but our content
> still a cornerstone for knowledge)
> 
> Anders
> 
> (I got a lot of fact from an article in Swedish main newspaper by their tech
> editor. He started asking fact of himself, and when he received facts from
> his Wp article plus being credited to a book he had noting to do with, he
> started to try to tell/learn ChatGPT of this error. The chatPGT only got
> angry accusing the techeditor for lying and in the end cut off the
> conversation, as ChatGPT continued to teat the techeditor as lyer and
> vandal..).
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[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to episode 21 of WikiAfrica Hour

[Ceslause Ogbonnaya]

Dear all,

I wish to invite you to episode 21 of WIkiAfrica Hour, title *Commons:
Inside out, *where we shall be discussing Wikimedia Commons user experience
and many other interesting details, including how Wikimedia Commons could
be improved in order to fit into what the Wikimedia Foundation wants to
achieve through the 2030 Movement Strategy.

Guests include:

   1. Wilson Oluoha 
   - Community facilitator, Wiki Loves Africa 2023
   2. Ziko Van Dijk  - Wiki
   expert, Netherlands/Germany
   3. Fiona Romeo  -
   Member, 2022 Image Description Week
    Working group

Date: 24th February 2023
Time: 4pm UTC
Details: http://w.wiki/5dft 

Regards,
Ceslause Ogbonnaya
*Host, WIkiAfrica Hour*
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda - User:Nkunda102

[Ndahiro Derrick Alter]

Hello Rafi , thanks for clarifying more about cases like this but as I have
put it , it was by a mistake done by newbie who didn’t has no metapage
editing links at all .


to the office

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 at 16:18 Mrb Rafi  wrote:

> Hi Derrick,
>
> Thanks for forwarding it to the mailing list. In this particular case, the
> credit-snatching instance has been committed by a newcomer, as you
> mentioned. There can be a lot of arguments on whether the person did it
> intentionally or it was just a newbie mistake, but I'm not going towards
> that.
>
> There are legal frameworks for determining the ownership of intellectual
> property. But how do you give proper credit to an organizer who led, for
> example, an image donation program? They must be credited for their hard
> work as Wikimedia organizers. Unfortunately, similar and even more obvious
> instances of credit snatching are taking place in the movement, sometimes
> by some of the most experienced wikimedians with a clear understanding of
> what they are doing. This is more evident in underrepresented communities,
> and there is no preventive method against it.
>
> Best,
> Rafi
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 8:11 PM Ndahiro Derrick Alter <
> ndahiroder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abel for bringing our community ‘s attention to this issue though
>> ( I don’t think using all these avenues before reaching to the user who did
>> that was really necessary but I understand the context )
>>
>> I just had a phone call with user:Nkunda102 , he is newbie with no skills
>> of editing the metapage, he regrets his actions and will write a formal
>> apology to the original author and the team receiving grants .
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 13:10 Abel MBULA  wrote:
>>
>>> Forward as received
>>>
>>> FYI dear community member
>>>
>>> Abel Lifaefi Mbula
>>> Free Software Dev
>>> Free Culture Enthousiast
>>>
>>> Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send
>>> OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: patience kavira 
>>> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 13:07
>>> Subject: Fwd: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda -
>>> User:Nkunda102
>>> To: Abel MBULA (via Google Drive) 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> De : patience kavira 
>>> Date: sam. 18 févr. 2023 à 12:55
>>> Subject: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda - User:Nkunda102
>>> To: fdevou...@anthere.org ,
>>> donatien.ka...@gmail.com ,
>>> emmanuelle...@gmail.com , i...@wikiinafrica.org
>>> 
>>> Cc: , <
>>> african-wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org>, <
>>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Florence,
>>>
>>> It is with great regret that I am writing to report suspicious behavior
>>> by a user from Rwanda.
>>>
>>> As part of the African Environment project that you are conducting in
>>> partnership with Wikimedia CI, I have submitted a funding request since
>>> February 14th [1].
>>>
>>> However, as I was checking this morning to see if you have already
>>> decided on my project, I was surprised to see that the project has been
>>> slightly modified, and I am no longer the project owner. It is now the user
>>> Nkunda102 who has taken over the project. I did not want to simply undo his
>>> modifications, at the risk that he might come back again. I want to bring
>>> the situation to your level so that you know what to do, but at the same
>>> time, I would like to alert the whole community so that such behavior
>>> cannot happen again, because it tarnishes the image of Africa, as well as
>>> of Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Africa_Environment/Microfunding/Let%E2%80%99s_fight_climate_change_and_the_gender_gap_on_Wikipedia
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Patience Kavira
>>> Environmental specialist
>>> University of Kisangani
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> derrick
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda - User:Nkunda102

[Mrb Rafi]

Hi Derrick,

Thanks for forwarding it to the mailing list. In this particular case, the
credit-snatching instance has been committed by a newcomer, as you
mentioned. There can be a lot of arguments on whether the person did it
intentionally or it was just a newbie mistake, but I'm not going towards
that.

There are legal frameworks for determining the ownership of intellectual
property. But how do you give proper credit to an organizer who led, for
example, an image donation program? They must be credited for their hard
work as Wikimedia organizers. Unfortunately, similar and even more obvious
instances of credit snatching are taking place in the movement, sometimes
by some of the most experienced wikimedians with a clear understanding of
what they are doing. This is more evident in underrepresented communities,
and there is no preventive method against it.

Best,
Rafi

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 8:11 PM Ndahiro Derrick Alter <
ndahiroder...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Abel for bringing our community ‘s attention to this issue though (
> I don’t think using all these avenues before reaching to the user who did
> that was really necessary but I understand the context )
>
> I just had a phone call with user:Nkunda102 , he is newbie with no skills
> of editing the metapage, he regrets his actions and will write a formal
> apology to the original author and the team receiving grants .
>
> Best regards
>
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 13:10 Abel MBULA  wrote:
>
>> Forward as received
>>
>> FYI dear community member
>>
>> Abel Lifaefi Mbula
>> Free Software Dev
>> Free Culture Enthousiast
>>
>> Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send
>> OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: patience kavira 
>> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 13:07
>> Subject: Fwd: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda - User:Nkunda102
>> To: Abel MBULA (via Google Drive) 
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> De : patience kavira 
>> Date: sam. 18 févr. 2023 à 12:55
>> Subject: My project was stolen by a user from Rwanda - User:Nkunda102
>> To: fdevou...@anthere.org ,
>> donatien.ka...@gmail.com ,
>> emmanuelle...@gmail.com , i...@wikiinafrica.org
>> 
>> Cc: , <
>> african-wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org>, <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear Florence,
>>
>> It is with great regret that I am writing to report suspicious behavior
>> by a user from Rwanda.
>>
>> As part of the African Environment project that you are conducting in
>> partnership with Wikimedia CI, I have submitted a funding request since
>> February 14th [1].
>>
>> However, as I was checking this morning to see if you have already
>> decided on my project, I was surprised to see that the project has been
>> slightly modified, and I am no longer the project owner. It is now the user
>> Nkunda102 who has taken over the project. I did not want to simply undo his
>> modifications, at the risk that he might come back again. I want to bring
>> the situation to your level so that you know what to do, but at the same
>> time, I would like to alert the whole community so that such behavior
>> cannot happen again, because it tarnishes the image of Africa, as well as
>> of Wikipedia.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Africa_Environment/Microfunding/Let%E2%80%99s_fight_climate_change_and_the_gender_gap_on_Wikipedia
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Patience Kavira
>> Environmental specialist
>> University of Kisangani
>>
>>
>> --
> derrick
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[Wikimedia-l] Bing-ChatGPT

[Anders Wennersten]

BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft.

And from what I understand they use Wikipedia content considerably. If 
you ask Who is A B and A B is not widely known, the result is more or 
less identical to the content from the Wikipedia article (but worse, as 
it "makes up" facts that is incorrect).


In a way I am glad to see Wikipedia is fully relevant even in this 
emerging AI-driven search world. But Google search has ben careful to 
always have a link to Wikipedia besides their made up summary of facts, 
which here it is missing (yet?). And for licences, they are all ignored.


So if this is the future the number of  accesses from users to Wikipedia 
will collapse, and also their willingness to donate... (but our content 
still a cornerstone for knowledge)


Anders

(I got a lot of fact from an article in Swedish main newspaper by their 
tech editor. He started asking fact of himself, and when he received 
facts from his Wp article plus being credited to a book he had noting to 
do with, he started to try to tell/learn ChatGPT of this error. The 
chatPGT only got angry accusing the techeditor for lying and in the end 
cut off the conversation, as ChatGPT continued to teat the techeditor as 
lyer and vandal..).

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