Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-31 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 31/07/17 00:06, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
>  The restoration work is indeed an extensive work, but is it a "creation of
> the mind", which is necessary for copyright?
> 
> JP


The Cutty Sark was almost destroyed by fire, and was rebuilt. I would
say it a visitor attraction (of very high quality) that it is a
facsimile of the craft that sailed the oceans. I have visited both
before and after the fire (and rebuilding). Some timbers would also have
replaced before the fire and also planned replacement during the 2007
conservation closure period when the fire took place.

Sir Arthur Evans also rebuilt an artifact, Knossos, and he used
concrete, which was not around in the era 1380–1100 BCE.

Has something has been "created" by a mind? I would say yes, to both. In
the case of the Cutty Sark, the ship was placed in a new "dry dock" so
that visitors can view the hull (for example).

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-29 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 29/07/17 02:12, geni wrote:
> Your mistake is in assuming the only work here is from the 2000 year
> old sculptor and bronze worker. 


Cf. The Cutty Sark and Knosos?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

2017-07-24 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 23/07/17 03:45, Comet styles wrote:
> if anything, wikimedia stole their idea :P

Yup! Prior art.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

2017-07-22 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 21/07/17 20:38, quiddity wrote:
> Related discussions at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#Puzzle_Globe
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_merchandise#3D_Puzzle_Globe_Paperweight
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_merchandise/Design_ideas#3D_Puzzle_Globe
> and other notes at:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_logos#3D_versions

Thanks. Seems that the idea of a jigsaw has been around for a while,
even perhaps BW (Before Wikipdia)...

:-)

Gordo


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[Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

2017-07-18 Thread Gordon Joly 


https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0119PZ7F2/

This image looks very much like the Wikimedia graphic?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-10 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 10/06/17 15:38, David Gerard wrote:
> Rather than me reading through several pages to pick out what you might
> mean, could you please quote the bits you consider particularly make a
> relevant point?
> 
> 
> - d.

Well, here is the abstract.

Gordon

*
ABSTRACT
This   qualitative   study   examines   privacy   practices   and
concerns among contributors to open collaboration projects.
We  collected  interview  data  from  people  who  use  the
anonymity   network   Tor   who   also   contribute   to   online
projects  and  from  Wikipedia  editors  who  are  concerned
about   their   privacy   to   better   understand   how   privacy
concernsimpactparticipationinopencollaboration
projects.  We  found  that  risks  perceived  by  contributors  to
open  collaboration  projects  include  threats of surveillance,
violence, harassment, opportunity loss, reputation loss, and
fear  for  loved  ones.  We  explain  participants’  operational
and  technical  strategies  for  mitigating  these  risks  and  how
these   strategies   affect   their   contributions.   Finally,   we
discuss  chilling  effects  associated  with  privacy  loss,  the
need for open collaboration projects to go beyond attracting
and  educating  participants  to  consider  their  privacy,  and
some  of  the  social  and  technical  approaches  that  could  be
explored to mitigate risk at a project or community level.

Author Keywords

Wikipedia; Tor; Risk; Privacy; Identity

ACM Classification Keywords

H.5.m.  Information  interfaces  and  presentation  (e.g.,  HCI):
Miscellaneous

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-05 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 05/04/17 11:52, Fæ wrote:
> * 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Defaulting_to_gender_neutral_language_in_the_Commons_namespace
> 


Should have been common practice years ago.

IMHO,

El Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 02/03/17 13:55, David Gerard wrote:
> There is no such thing as "no politics", there is only "I am not
> personally reminded of the discomfort of others".
> 
> 
> - d.


Channelling Margaret Thatcher, David?

:-)

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 02/03/17 13:30, Peter Southwood wrote:
> It is not possible to get away from politics while remaining in contact with 
> civilisation. 
>Politics follows you around. It is possible to ignore politics only
until they affect you directly.
> Cheers,
> Peter


The real world (laws and customs) has always be the supervisor of the
virtual world.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 27/01/17 16:59, GorillaWarfare wrote:
> Pine,
> 
> We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing
> based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on
> them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an
> incredible amount of work, and we open ourselves up personally to legal
> risk by doing so. I believe there was some discussion on this onwiki around
> six months ago, I will try to dig up a link.
> 
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> ___
>


Are these examples of "paid to edit"?

https://www.peopleperhour.com/hourlie/create-a-wikipedia-page/31502

https://www.peopleperhour.com/hourlie/create-a-classy-wikipedia-page/332166

https://www.peopleperhour.com/hourlie/write-and-edit-wikipedia-page/322274

https://www.peopleperhour.com/hourlie/write-create-a-wikipedia-page/335913

https://www.peopleperhour.com/hourlie/wikipedia-page-writing-service-create-your-brand-page-on-wikipedia-for-marketing/245953


Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fixed the citation issue yet?

2016-09-10 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 08/09/16 05:54, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> There is only one question left: Are we
> ready to fix these quality issues?

My observation would be that citations come in many forms, and that a
agreed format does not appear to exist. Writing for a academic journal
authors have to follow the style of the journal. Should this be true in
Wikipedia and other projects?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First French WikiConvention

2016-08-17 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 17/08/16 16:10, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin wrote:
> The 1st Francophone WikiConvention will take place in an eco-friendly
> rehabilitated place called the Halle Pajol in the 18th arrondissement of
> Paris.


I like the name, WikiConvention. Still not happy about "Wikimania" since
"mania" is a serious medical issue (for those with bipolar affective
disorder).

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-17 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 17/04/16 20:55, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>  Arguably the latest
> crop of board members have shown how hard it is in the first place to make
> a meaningful contribution.
> Thanks,
>GerardM


In particular?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help, how much money goes to volunteers?

2016-04-14 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 14/04/16 10:48, rupert THURNER wrote:
> can somebody please chime in here with better guesses, or real
> numbers, maybe directly at [1]?

On the other hand, has anybody considered the value of the total
volunteer effort towards the development of Wikipedia, Commons and
related projects? That is editing, software development, administration,
taking photographs etc.

In the UK, I believe that volunteer time is costed at about 15 US
dollars per hour (equivalent to 11 pounds?).

Answers on a postcard.

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The English Wikipedia and the mind of its search engine.

2016-03-26 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 26/03/16 21:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 26 March 2016 at 20:43, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> > Try "unlock the funk" and see how helpful the search engine is
> Fixed.
> 
> -- 


"undo the funk" ?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-22 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 21/03/16 19:39, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
> (I must admit that i tested the job a year ago, the product was fine, the 
> shipment fast. A bit expensive for my taste.)


Expensive? The profit adds funds the WMF, surely.

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats update

2016-03-11 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 11/03/16 10:05, Chris Keating wrote:
> Hi Itzik,
> 
> When the process was being discussed in the Autumn, there wasn't any
> consensus to change it to a fully secret ballot. So, as last time, votes
> will be cast on a wiki-table on the Chapters wiki.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris

Do Chapters have to ask their membership, or are they empowered to vote
without going back to the members?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-03-10 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 23/02/16 22:34, SarahSV wrote:
> ​Brian, I'd be interested to hear how volunteers could be cultivated and
> supported. We felt under attack by the Foundation until Lila arrived, and I
> think a lot of editors are grateful to her for having improved that
> relationship. But not feeling attacked isn't the same as feeling supported.
> 

I am not sure how much Sue Gardner or Lila Tretikov affected my passion
for Wikipedia (in either direction), whereas some of the members on this
list have (positively). Recently attending Wikimania in London, UK
(where I live) and being a member of the local chapter, also going to
meetups and editathons locally have had a real effect.

I use Mediawiki to build websites.

> The Foundation often boasts that it only has around 200 employees, but the
> truth is that it has an enormous unpaid workforce. Most of us don't go to
> meet-ups, so we don't even see travel expenses. We're grateful if we can
> get a free JSTOR subscription.

I am a member of that unpaid workforce. Speaking personally, I don't
want to be paid. My local chapter (Wikimedia UK) will usually offer
travel expenses, for small amounts (e.g. within London). Larger amounts
might not be met.

As a serial volunteer, I tend to disappear quite quickly when I don't
have fun (or I don't get reasonable expenses).

YMMV,

Gordo





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-09 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 05/03/16 19:45, Gordon Joly wrote:
> On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>> Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation,
>> they are not even represented. 
> 
> 
> Then they should unionise?
> 
> Gordo


Following the arguments that unions would would not fit, does Wikimedia
UK allow unions? And other chapters with staff?

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-03-05 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation,
> they are not even represented. 


Then they should unionise?

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

2016-02-24 Thread Gordon Joly 
On 24/02/16 01:32, James Forrester wrote:
> 
> It's been a while
>  since
> we first met in person. I even followed you across the world to work in San
> Francisco! Don't think you can get away from our friendship that easily! 

I remember it well, in particular the early start time, with a chance
for both breakfast and lunch!

Gordo


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