Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[James Salsman]

James Heilman wrote:

> We need to make our current Wikipedias simpler. Yes I know it is
> an uphill battle but we just need more people working on it.

That is why, as I have announced previously, I will soon begin raising
money for the human fact-checkers and proofreaders necessary for the
http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review project. It was decided
previously that project had to be run first on the Simple English
Wikipedia. However, there is no reason, as a read-only bot, it can't be run
simultaneously on the ordinary Wikipedias. Given the spectacular abilities
of the first two volunteers, that will not be a problem, I hope.

If the WikiEd Foundation is persuaded to start hiring such fact-checkers
and proofreaders for their students' work, that would be great, but it
would be ideal if they would also pay outright for general accuracy review
of all editors' work, initially on a trial basis, e.g., 50% students'
work and 50% on general edits ordered by the likelihood that they aren't
simple enough syntactically or are out of date in high-readership articles.

I urge those who would like to see an organized, paid, accuracy review
pilot project so that people can evaluate the quality of the resulting
(initially only suggested) edits, to join me in personally asking Frank
Schulenburg to implement such a trial.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi!

I do not think language discrimination is the only possible discrimination.
I would prefer and consider it better if the international organisation
would be located next to the office of a local chapter. Then a different
perspective is possible.

Also I would like to suggest to have an WMF office on the various
continents: one in North America, one in South America, one in Europe, one
in Africa and one in Asia. I think only then it is really possible to to
understand the differences between the continents/regions in the world and
to be closer to the volunteers themselves. (And this can be in the same
building as a local chapter.)

In Brussels there is an office used/paid by the Wikimedia EU policy group,
the place where the whole of Europe meets, in multiple ways. Also situated
in the middle of four of the most active chapters in Europe and relatively
close to Jimbo. (I think ideal for a WMF office as well, but I may have a
COI here.)

So a co-headquarters in Belgium would be a great idea.

Romaine


2015-06-28 14:18 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :

> GerardM,
>
> Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[James Heilman]

A few thoughts:

1) We do not need more simple language Wikipedias. We need to make our
current Wikipedias simplier. Yes I know it is an uphill battle but we just
need more people working on it.

2) It is the editors of content who have the greater authority. Editors are
somewhat curtained by what sources are avaliable. As much published
material is US centric and the US government releases nearly everything
they produce under an open license this perspective has the upper hand. I
would tell Jean Marie Cavada that maybe if France / the EU was also to
publish everything they do under open licenses that would allow the
European perspective to gain greater promience. Maybe they could also
convince the World Health Organization of the importance of open licenses.

-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

Starting July 2015 I am a board member of the Wikimedia Foundation
My emails; however, do not represent the official position of the WMF

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Well when he does not have a better point of view, he has hardly any
arguments at all. Just as if French students will not suffer for the lack
of a freedom of panorama. Where does it say students have money to spend on
"professional" pictures and where does it say they should?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 18:39, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as
> u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European
> Parliament:
> http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/
>
> Best
> Rupert
>  On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference
> for
> > USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
> > Thanks.
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:
> >
> > > GerardM,
> > >
> > > Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> > > co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple
> > language
> > > Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[rupert THURNER]

Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as
u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European
Parliament:
http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/

Best
Rupert
 On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for
> USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
> Thanks.
>  GerardM
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:
>
> > GerardM,
> >
> > Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> > co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple
> language
> > Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for
USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
Thanks.
 GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:

> GerardM,
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> Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Richard Symonds]

I worry that these three options are unecessarily exclusive and probably a
bit simplistic. Why suggest these three?
On 28 Jun 2015 13:27, "James Salsman"  wrote:

> GerardM,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Jane Darnell]

Why not have a chapter that is physically close to the WMF in e.g. Tijuana?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> GerardM,
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[Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[James Salsman]

GerardM,

Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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