Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
And the SPI (Sockpuppet Investigations) clerks are described at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Clerks#Clerks . On 1 May 2012 20:03, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The English Wikipedia ArbCom's clerks are described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks On 1 May 2012 20:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone English Wikipedia Administrator ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Based on this definition, I would not like to be called a clerk. May be an Arbcom clerk is ok, because they are supposed to keep records and undertake routine administrative duties, but not for FDC, whise members are expected to advise. The advisory group would not be clerks. The question is whether it is helpful to also have clerks, to handle record-keeping and routine administration to support the work of the FDC + advisors. SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think that clerking would be useful. In other words, this decision is at least a few months down the pike. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 16:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:37 PM, Risker wrote: On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardnersgard...@wikimedia.org** wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think that clerking would be useful. In other words, this decision is at least a few months down the pike. I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that creating this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out all the details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will have a certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on this issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we don't know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue are anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might as well have the conversation and not simply postpone it. If some kind of clerk position is created, I expect it can evolve fairly naturally as the funds dissemination process itself gets more developed. It's not that different from arbitration clerks, who have picked up various tasks over time as it was deemed practical and helpful for them to do so. Really? As best I can tell (given the paucity of information available at this point), it won't be any more complex than the Grants Advisory Group; that certainly doesn't need clerking. I am actually quite concerned that there is consideration to create a bureaucracy to support a committee whose responsibilities haven't even been delineated; doing so would set the course for the committee before the FDC Advisory Group even gets its teeth into the question. More particularly, since Sue has asked about job descriptions, the two clerk areas on English Wikipedia are sockpuppet investigations and arbitration committee pages. The former is quite active in the process itself, including blocking of suspected sockpuppets; in many cases, they act as checkusers without the tool. Arbcom clerk responsibilities are more oriented to keeping cases together, properly formatted, and tracking voting. English Wikipedia has repeatedly refused to permit the development of any other recognized clerking roles within the project, usually with good reason. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 17:06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2012 21:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that creating this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out all the details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will have a certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on this issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we don't know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue are anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might as well have the conversation and not simply postpone it. I think it is fairly obvious that the FDC will need some kind of administrative support. The only question is whether that should come from volunteer clerks or WMF staff. There are pros and cons to both, so it's a conversation worth having. I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 17:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks. Yes, which is why I provided the information about the roles of the English Wikipedia clerks. Having said that, the FDC Advisory Committee is having its first meeting today, according to the Meta page (I note that the names of the Board members and outside members aren't included on the list yet). I'm just making it clear from my perspective that I find it concerning that there are discussions about the infrastructure to support the FDC when we are at the very beginning of the discussion about what the FDC should actually be doing, and that there are some considerably more disparate views about what they will do than meets the eye. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
