Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
interested in the reports will easily find them.
Kind regards
Ziko

2013/1/6 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl:
 Dear Ziko,

 Op 5-1-2013 17:19, Ziko van Dijk schreef:

 Hello,

 See the chapter reports from the Netherlands (November and December 2012)
 here:

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland#Wikimedia_Nederland

 Thanks for writing the report. Please always include the chapter report in
 your email and not just a link. Lodewijk already asked this countless times.
 Why do you insist on just sending links?

 Maarten



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:

 I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
 interested in the reports will easily find them.

The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report
without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least a
list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not. (If
the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole thing.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Sarah Stierch
I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :)

Having a brief in summary of what links comprise of is common practice and 
would be fabulous!

Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information. :) 

Sarah

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On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
 
 I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
 interested in the reports will easily find them.
 
 The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report
 without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least a
 list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not. (If
 the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole thing.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
I agree as well. At least at short list of the main topics would help a lot.

Regards,
Cornelius


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On 7 January 2013 00:30, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :)

 Having a brief in summary of what links comprise of is common practice
 and would be fabulous!

 Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information. :)

 Sarah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
 
  I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
  interested in the reports will easily find them.
 
  The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report
  without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least a
  list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not.
 (If
  the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole
 thing.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Lodewijk
(just for the record: I also asked this offlist to Ziko, and did not
coordinate this with others)

I of course agree with Maarten (and while direct, his tone is imho not
inappropriate). A summary would be fine too, although I suspect that just
copypasting is actually less work than typing a summary. My main reason for
asking to put it in the email, is that I quite often save this kind of
reports until a time that I'm a train etc. Then there is no way I can go to
meta.

It is a little effort (if any), and you make it easier for a number of
people.

By the way, I must say I like the short style and consistent pace of the
Dutch reports - a compliment should be made where appropriate!

Best,
Lodewijk

2013/1/7 Cornelius Kibelka jckibe...@gmail.com

 I agree as well. At least at short list of the main topics would help a
 lot.

 Regards,
 Cornelius

 
 Cornelius Kibelka

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 On 7 January 2013 00:30, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote:

  I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :)
 
  Having a brief in summary of what links comprise of is common practice
  and would be fabulous!
 
  Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information. :)
 
  Sarah
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl
 wrote:
  
   I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
   interested in the reports will easily find them.
  
   The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report
   without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least
 a
   list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not.
  (If
   the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole
  thing.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello,
Rather the other way round, I'd question the sending of reports to
lists, with regard to the information overload we get. If someone
really is interested in the activities of a chapter, he or she can go
to the chapter reports on Meta, and has a list of reports there. A
short summary of the report would even create more work for the
chapter. I really don't see the problem here.
Kind regards
Ziko

2013/1/7 Cornelius Kibelka jckibe...@gmail.com:
 I agree as well. At least at short list of the main topics would help a lot.

 Regards,
 Cornelius

 
 Cornelius Kibelka

 @jaancornelius
 +49-1520-7226062


 On 7 January 2013 00:30, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Thomas, I have to admit :)

 Having a brief in summary of what links comprise of is common practice
 and would be fabulous!

 Every second counts in this world of mass stimulation and information. :)

 Sarah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
 
  I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is
  interested in the reports will easily find them.
 
  The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report
  without having any idea what it contains. A short summary, or at least a
  list of contents, helps you decide whether to click on the link or not.
 (If
  the report is already a fairly short summary, just include the whole
 thing.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 6 January 2013 23:52, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:

 Hello,
 Rather the other way round, I'd question the sending of reports to
 lists, with regard to the information overload we get. If someone
 really is interested in the activities of a chapter, he or she can go
 to the chapter reports on Meta, and has a list of reports there. A
 short summary of the report would even create more work for the
 chapter. I really don't see the problem here.
 Kind regards
 Ziko


You should also consider that people like to read on the go, that is on a
mobile device and whilst Meta has the mobile site enabled, email often
works best for many people.

Think of it this way: if someone is going to make the effort to open an
email to read its contents after looking at the subject line, then they'd
presumably want to know more information - even if just a snippet as
suggested previously - *in that email* rather than having to go elsewhere
to find it.

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