Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
On 04/07/2014 09:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with That question qualifies as frequently asked; my usual answer is to the effect that You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys - and yourselves. Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it. Why should people have to go through that? Yeah the bad guys won't give a fig about the license, but the web host most certainly will. When they were taking photos of little kids from flickr accounts to post on Orkut and play age related sex games, it wasn't the complaints of the parents to the uploaders that got it stopped (haha luser you can't do nothing), nor complaints to Google (send us your 6 yo kid's drivers license), it was the DMCA takedowns that brought an end to it. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/google_orkut_dmca/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
Thank you for confirming what I said. On Jul 6, 2014 10:17 PM, Lilburne lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net wrote: On 04/07/2014 09:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with That question qualifies as frequently asked; my usual answer is to the effect that You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys - and yourselves. Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it. Why should people have to go through that? Yeah the bad guys won't give a fig about the license, but the web host most certainly will. When they were taking photos of little kids from flickr accounts to post on Orkut and play age related sex games, it wasn't the complaints of the parents to the uploaders that got it stopped (haha luser you can't do nothing), nor complaints to Google (send us your 6 yo kid's drivers license), it was the DMCA takedowns that brought an end to it. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/google_orkut_dmca/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
On 06/07/2014, Lilburne lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net wrote: Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it. ... I'd like to see who are the members of the Commons porn patrol and if they are still active. Can someone provide a link, or is it an anti-Commons myth? Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
On 04/07/14 00:26, rupert THURNER wrote: did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc? concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any topic interesting for a cooperation? Yes; one librarian from the ICRC photo department recently visited one of Wikimedia CH's Wikipermanences ( http://frwp.org/Wikipédia:WikiPermanence/Suisse ). They are currently at the (very) early stage of developing a policy for the global diffusion of their images, and are checking all possible options. They have a large stock of pictures that could potentially be distributed (meaning: not the ones documenting e.g. recent prisoners of wars, etc). Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with, so they are not ready (yet) to go down the free license route... But we had a long discussion about possible scenarios, describing what other institutions have done, etc. It seems to be a bit early for a more formal contact, but we're keeping in touch with them. And the fact that they initiated contact is a good start. Frédéric ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
This is the same problem I am facing. Even if there is an enthusiastic employer or responsible and so on in a GLAM or in an administrative department, there are internal oppositions or policies to face. In small partners the discussion may be good and can be immediate, in bigger ones it may take long time. The best is to find an internal investigator who can help to identify the right approach. In any kind of projects realized in bigger organizations or companies, the exact world is to find an internal sponsor. For instance an IT department can introduce a new software in a company realizing a good success only if the same department can find internal sponsors in the companies and the same department has a good reputation. This is a normal approach. These two keys are important for any change management applied in a good way. Naturally as much are bigger the oppositions to the changes, as much important should be the internal sponsors and the reputation. Reading the previous emails it seems that ICRC has a strong opposition to the changes. On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: On 04/07/14 00:26, rupert THURNER wrote: did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc? concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any topic interesting for a cooperation? Yes; one librarian from the ICRC photo department recently visited one of Wikimedia CH's Wikipermanences ( http://frwp.org/Wikipédia:WikiPermanence/Suisse ). They are currently at the (very) early stage of developing a policy for the global diffusion of their images, and are checking all possible options. They have a large stock of pictures that could potentially be distributed (meaning: not the ones documenting e.g. recent prisoners of wars, etc). Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with, so they are not ready (yet) to go down the free license route... But we had a long discussion about possible scenarios, describing what other institutions have done, etc. It seems to be a bit early for a more formal contact, but we're keeping in touch with them. And the fact that they initiated contact is a good start. Frédéric ___ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with That question qualifies as frequently asked; my usual answer is to the effect that You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys - and yourselves. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross
Hello, I work at an international organization (Consumer Reports, part of Consumers International) which has an organizational relationship with Red Cross especially in the United States. If someone has a proposal for partnership then I could present it to the American chapter of the Red Cross, or help anyone anticipate what their organizational needs are. yours, On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Their main worry seems to be how do we make sure that people do not use the pictures in a way we're not happy with That question qualifies as frequently asked; my usual answer is to the effect that You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys - and yourselves. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 l...@bluerasberry.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
