Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
I'm meeting with the Boundless team tomorrow. How could they improve attribution? What download formats or APIs would we like to see to enable reposting to Wikibooks, or better cross-platform collaboration? Is anyone on wikibooks currently working on importing such materials, in Tamil or English or other languages? SJ On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Have come across a collection of basic college textbooks that appear to be more or less based on text from Wikipedia. There are 21 of them. The company claims that they are being used by more than 2 million students. They are under a CC BY SA license and if you follow the links seen here http://books.google.ca/books?id=7avpQBAJpg=PA2058 they do eventually attribute Wikipedia. They are being offered for free on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Boudless and are being sold for $19.99 on their website. https://www.boundless.com/ So the question is should we have a response? I think this could generate position press for our movement. Attribution could be better (I would consider theirs to be borderline). Additionally should we be adding this textbooks to Wikiversity or Wikibooks to make sure they stay free available? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
On 6 February 2014 21:41, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with the Boundless team tomorrow. Excellent! How could they improve attribution? What download formats or APIs would we like to see to enable reposting to Wikibooks, or better cross-platform collaboration? Yeah, this is it. Our entire raison d'etre is: Use our stuff! Please! *But* we want collaboration and upstreamed fixes and so forth in return. What can we do to make that easier? - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I'm meeting with the Boundless team tomorrow. How could they improve attribution? Looking at the g-book that James linked (and without paying for a download etc) I don't see any particular attribution at all in the book itself. The inside front cover should have a publisher credit (boundless), a date, and a) authors/editors; b) a list of sources where they've taken info from... the wikipedia articles (perma-urls), other sources. Also, license?? Without that (and any other useful info: place of publication, URL, ISBN, etc) not only is it not attributed for our purposes, it's a nightmare for any hapless library cataloger who might want to add it to a library collection :P -- phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
On 26 November 2013 07:26, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: They are under a CC BY SA license and if you follow the links seen here http://books.google.ca/books?id=7avpQBAJpg=PA2058 they do eventually attribute Wikipedia. They are being offered for free on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Boudless and are being sold for $19.99 on their website. https://www.boundless.com/ My first impression is that sounds excellent! So the question is should we have a response? I think this could generate position press for our movement. Attribution could be better (I would consider theirs to be borderline). Additionally should we be adding this textbooks to Wikiversity or Wikibooks to make sure they stay free available? We could work with them to fine-tune the attribution. But yeah, if they check out as doing the right thing then this is complete success for us. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
The new textbooks in Tamil Nadu state in India have images from the Commons and links to articles printed at the end. This was discussed on the Wikimedia India mailing list in the latter half of 2011. You can check the archives. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Nov 26, 2013 2:23 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 November 2013 07:26, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: They are under a CC BY SA license and if you follow the links seen here http://books.google.ca/books?id=7avpQBAJpg=PA2058 they do eventually attribute Wikipedia. They are being offered for free on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Boudless and are being sold for $19.99 on their website. https://www.boundless.com/ My first impression is that sounds excellent! So the question is should we have a response? I think this could generate position press for our movement. Attribution could be better (I would consider theirs to be borderline). Additionally should we be adding this textbooks to Wikiversity or Wikibooks to make sure they stay free available? We could work with them to fine-tune the attribution. But yeah, if they check out as doing the right thing then this is complete success for us. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Textbooks Which Borrow Heavily from Wikipedia
so the books could be uploaded to wikibooks, or wikimedia commons, one could produce an epub or openzim file out of it for the people not having a kindle? sounds great to me ... rupert. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:26 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Have come across a collection of basic college textbooks that appear to be more or less based on text from Wikipedia. There are 21 of them. The company claims that they are being used by more than 2 million students. They are under a CC BY SA license and if you follow the links seen here http://books.google.ca/books?id=7avpQBAJpg=PA2058 they do eventually attribute Wikipedia. They are being offered for free on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=Boudless and are being sold for $19.99 on their website. https://www.boundless.com/ So the question is should we have a response? I think this could generate position press for our movement. Attribution could be better (I would consider theirs to be borderline). Additionally should we be adding this textbooks to Wikiversity or Wikibooks to make sure they stay free available? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
