[Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in non-English Wikipedias

2023-09-19 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 8:49 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Toolhub is still something external!
>
> Let me introduce the point: the Research team has been working in great
> tools to help with editing. They made an exciting showcase in Wikimania.
> None of them are reachable while editing.
>
> We are here in the same case: the translate tool could accomodate a
> suggestion button that feeds from the varied tools we have.
>

I agree. To me it has always seemed odd that Mediawiki's *core interface*
has no large friendly button called "Tools".  It could lead by default to
project-space:Tools, i.e. to Wikipedia:Tools on Wikipedia. From then on,
it's up to the community to curate the page usefully, probably including
explaining about Toolforge and directing to its various directory
meta-tools.  But it's that first *invitation* and *discoverability* of the
very notion of tools that's missing, for even some experienced editors.

If some people agree, perhaps they'd be interested in starting a discussion
on Mediawiki.org making the case for it, addressing the (inevitable)
objections people may have, discussing the design and location of the
button, etc. I don't know if the Foundation's Product team has thoughts
about this, but even if it is not currently on any team's roadmap, it can
be useful to work out a proposal with broad community support for how it
could be done. The actual implementation would be technically simple, and
mostly a question of the skin design: location, spacing, mobile, etc.

   A.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in non-English Wikipedias

2023-09-19 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Vector2022 has, actually, a place called Tools. It comes in the edit menu, just 
below the language switcher. The problem is that... most of them are not tools. 
Indeed, the Design Team decided to bury the sister projects inside the tools 
menu. So, yes, we do have a place called tools, where actual tools could be 
located.

From: Asaf Bartov 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:13 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Tool to find articles to create or improve in 
non-English Wikipedias

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 8:49 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Toolhub is still something external!

Let me introduce the point: the Research team has been working in great tools 
to help with editing. They made an exciting showcase in Wikimania. None of them 
are reachable while editing.

We are here in the same case: the translate tool could accomodate a suggestion 
button that feeds from the varied tools we have.

I agree. To me it has always seemed odd that Mediawiki's *core interface* has 
no large friendly button called "Tools".  It could lead by default to 
project-space:Tools, i.e. to Wikipedia:Tools on Wikipedia. From then on, it's 
up to the community to curate the page usefully, probably including explaining 
about Toolforge and directing to its various directory meta-tools.  But it's 
that first *invitation* and *discoverability* of the very notion of tools 
that's missing, for even some experienced editors.

If some people agree, perhaps they'd be interested in starting a discussion on 
Mediawiki.org making the case for it, addressing the (inevitable) objections 
people may have, discussing the design and location of the button, etc. I don't 
know if the Foundation's Product team has thoughts about this, but even if it 
is not currently on any team's roadmap, it can be useful to work out a proposal 
with broad community support for how it could be done. The actual 
implementation would be technically simple, and mostly a question of the skin 
design: location, spacing, mobile, etc.

   A.

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