Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries
Dear Andrew I am still a member because there was legally no secretary to receive my written resignation, as you correctly point out is required by Rule 6(1). Let's fast reverse for a moment: Charles resigned in writing as secretary several days after Graham was, somehow, appointed to the position, presumably using the casual vacancy rule—but there was no vacancy, so the appointment was invalid. I pointed out the problems at the time and was ignored—the fact that I was ignored is quite explicit in the minutes of the meeting during which everyone decided to appoint themselves into different office-bearing positions. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2013-03-17)#Committee_reshuffle While we're on this matter, Action: Steven agreed to write up a formal re-shuffle motion, as per the email. – I see no evidence in subsequent minutes of such a a formal re-shuffle motion. It's as simple as that. You say: the committee will not be responding to your correspondence dated 25 January 2014; but you have responded. The failure to address my specific points might prompt members to wonder about several critical issues. Forgive me for being old-fashioned, but I'm rather fussy about adherence to rules and laws. Kind regards Tony On 25/01/2014, at 8:11 PM, Andrew Owens orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Tony, On 1 October 2013, you resigned your membership per Rule 6(1) of the Association in writing, via a post to the chapter's lists. It is also on record that this resignation was accepted at the time. As such, you are not a member under the chapter's rules. As a consequence, the committee will not be responding to your correspondence dated 25 January 2014, and notes only that it contains several misunderstandings and errors of fact, some of which can be easily corrected with material already on the record, including reports submitted to the last AGM and the full text of the Associations Incorporation Reform Act 2012. Regards Andrew Owens Secretary Wikimedia Australia On 25 January 2014 13:17, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Dear members Since under the chapter's rules I'm still a member of WMAU until 30 June—at which time no membership will be revewable for anyone under the rules, I'm sorry to say—may I ask whether the minutes of today's committee meeting will be posted promptly, unlike last time? Looking at the minutes of the most recent meeting (by the way, pretty short on links for members to navigate to referents), I see 12 red ACTION statements; only one of them is followed by a note that the action was taken: ACTION: Steven to advise Adam. (Update: Actioned 25 November - committee members CC'd on email.) Although it doesn't say whether the action succeeded in terms of the resolution. A sample of the other 11 is below, together with a few other queries. __ *ACTION: All to update COI register. Nope: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policyaction=history __ *Update of records with CAV and the ACNC Steven advised that everyone had sent through the necessary details. Email issues have hampered the ACNC matter; Steven is sending Andrew the form via express post. The rule changes have not been sent to CAV from the SGM. If it goes beyond 26 November, the lodgment fee increases from $75.20 to $160.50. ACTION: Steven to email Andrew the form; Andrew to file it with CAV on Tuesday. Even if the rule changes were sent to CAV by 26 November, saving the chapter half the fee, it ignores the fact that the law (not the rules, the law) was breached by not communicating the change within a month of the SGM that approved the changes. I believe there's a fine for that breach, but would need to check the Act to confirm this. __ *A7 Past resolutions ACTION: Andrew to sort out past resolutions for posting to the public wiki. This cake looks worryingly half-baked: (add 2013-14, note out of date (will fill this in over coming week) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutionsaction=history __ *C4 Linkage project there are questions as to its fit with our Statement of Purpose—I don't see an argument anywhere supporting this claim. Like the CAV's answers to questions by one committee member about compliance, the answers depend on how those questions are framed. Presumably the previous committee thought the project fit with the SoP. The current spending is authorised by a resolution of the previous committee, but we have the option to rescind this. But one of the problems in squibbing on this funding is that the chapter signed a contract with the other parties. Why sign a binding contract if you're going to flush it down the pan in the hope you won't be sued, even if suing is unlikely? It's a pretty bad smell for the chapter's reputation at the very
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Meeting today..?
Hi there, It could fall under our Wikimedia Australia meetups program ( http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Wikimedia_Australia_Meetups#Budget) which provides up to $150 for a meet up. Of course, this is intended to cover food/drink/venue if required, but I don't see why not (just don't buy hundreds of dollars of scotch, now!) Melbourne meet up did have some folk attend, I couldn't make it (my car had a flat battery so I couldn't leave home) but I hope next time around, we will have a bigger attendance. Steve On 24 January 2014 13:39, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to apply to the chapter to spend some money buying drinks at a meetup? I'm happy to write reams on the benefits to the project in return for a few beers ;-) best, Peter. ps. Did the Mebourne meetup happen, Steve? - it didn't seem like anyone could make it - I guess a solo meetup is just an 'up' without the meet, right? On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: The problem I'm having with the January log is my IRC client reads the logs it creates perfectly fine, but attempting to open it in a text editor shows absolute jibbsrish. I'm sure I'll be able to fix this shortly. If anyone is interested in doing a meetup in sydney id highly encourage it...would be good to have some meetups happening again :) Steve On 23/01/2014 1:05 PM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No worries Steve - there's sometimes a lot to keep up to speed with :-) If you guys need a hand making the log human readable, maybe just whack it on the wiki somewhere as a draft, and I can lend a hand tidying it up as I give it a read either ways, if poss. do try and flick a note to the list just letting folk know messages are getting through oh, and if anyone in Sydney has time or energy to organise something; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney best, Peter, PM. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: Sorry for the delay Peter. We have found a log from December and I will be posting it today. Log for Jan will follow shortly, as will the minutes from the December meeting. Steve On 23/01/2014 11:02 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA (could anyone receiving this just flick me a quick hello to confirm that the problem isn't the nut behind the keyboard this end...) best, Peter. PM. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: ping :-) Just wondering if I sent this ok? best, Peter, PM. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: hi folks, any news on minutes and the IRC log? best, Peter. PM. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.comwrote: Hi John, The minutes of the previous committee meeting are still forthcoming, and as Andrew has previously mentioned he has been unwell. We have not had our committee meeting this month to accept the minutes from the December meeting. Once this is done, they will be posted to the public wiki as is customary. I had a log of the meeting but it seems my IRC client creates it in a way so that converting it to text is impossible. I believe others may have a log and once I locate this it will be posted. Thanks for your patience. Steven Zhang On 12 Jan 2014, at 4:58 pm, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: They havent been posted Steven. :( On Jan 12, 2014 9:27 AM, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: Hi John, I believe the minutes are in the process of being finalized today and we have a copy of the irc log to post. It will be going ahead as planned today at 4pm AEDST. Steve On 12/01/2014 1:15 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: There are at least two items the committee should be attending to before the meeting today. The IRC log from the last public meeting should be published. The minutes from the last committee meeting should be published. fwiw, I am an apology for the meeting today, due to a prior commitment of being facilitator at a Wikidata workshop being here in Jakarta. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries
Do we have a secretary now that you can hand it into.please. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Dear Andrew I am still a member because there was legally no secretary to receive my written resignation, as you correctly point out is required by Rule 6(1). Let's fast reverse for a moment: Charles resigned in writing as secretary several days *after* Graham was, somehow, appointed to the position, presumably using the casual vacancy rule—but there was no vacancy, so the appointment was invalid. I pointed out the problems at the time and was ignored—the fact that I was ignored is quite explicit in the minutes of the meeting during which everyone decided to appoint themselves into different office-bearing positions. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2013-03-17)#Committee_reshuffle While we're on this matter, *Action:* Steven agreed to write up a formal re-shuffle motion, as per the email. – I see no evidence in subsequent minutes of such a a formal re-shuffle motion. It's as simple as that. You say: the committee will not be responding to your correspondence dated 25 January 2014; but you *have* responded. The failure to address my specific points might prompt members to wonder about several critical issues. Forgive me for being old-fashioned, but I'm rather fussy about adherence to rules and laws. Kind regards Tony On 25/01/2014, at 8:11 PM, Andrew Owens orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Tony, On 1 October 2013, you resigned your membership per Rule 6(1) of the Association in writing, via a post to the chapter's lists. It is also on record that this resignation was accepted at the time. As such, you are not a member under the chapter's rules. As a consequence, the committee will not be responding to your correspondence dated 25 January 2014, and notes only that it contains several misunderstandings and errors of fact, some of which can be easily corrected with material already on the record, including reports submitted to the last AGM and the full text of the Associations Incorporation Reform Act 2012. Regards Andrew Owens Secretary Wikimedia Australia On 25 January 2014 13:17, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Dear members Since under the chapter's rules I'm still a member of WMAU until 30 June—at which time no membership will be revewable for anyone under the rules, I'm sorry to say—may I ask whether the minutes of today's committee meeting will be posted promptly, unlike last time? Looking at the minutes of the most recent meeting (by the way, pretty short on links for members to navigate to referents), I see 12 red ACTION statements; only one of them is followed by a note that the action was taken: ACTION: Steven to advise Adam. (*Update: Actioned 25 November - committee members CC'd on email.*) Although it doesn't say whether the action succeeded in terms of the resolution. A sample of the other 11 is below, together with a few other queries. __ *ACTION: All to update COI register. Nope: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policyaction=history __ *Update of records with CAV and the ACNC - Steven advised that everyone had sent through the necessary details. Email issues have hampered the ACNC matter; Steven is sending Andrew the form via express post. - The rule changes have not been sent to CAV from the SGM. If it goes beyond 26 November, the lodgment fee increases from $75.20 to $160.50. - ACTION: Steven to email Andrew the form; Andrew to file it with CAV on Tuesday. Even if the rule changes were sent to CAV by 26 November, saving the chapter half the fee, it ignores the fact that the law (not the rules, the law) was breached by not communicating the change within a month of the SGM that approved the changes. I believe there's a fine for that breach, but would need to check the Act to confirm this. __ *A7 Past resolutions - ACTION: Andrew to sort out past resolutions for posting to the public wiki. This cake looks worryingly half-baked: (add 2013-14, note out of date (will fill this in over coming week) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutionsaction=history __ **C4 Linkage project * there are questions as to its fit with our Statement of Purpose—I don't see an argument anywhere supporting this claim. Like the CAV's answers to questions by one committee member about compliance, the answers depend on how those questions are framed. Presumably the previous committee thought the project fit with the SoP. The current spending is authorised by a resolution of the previous committee, but we have the option to rescind this. But one of the problems in squibbing on this funding is that the chapter signed a *contract*with the other parties. Why sign a binding contract if you're going to
