Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list
Surely there should be a right of appeal. Just removing someone from a list on the sayso of one person is something that should not be acceptable. -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 3:05 AM To: Australian Wikimedians mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list For now I've put the following text on the listinfo page: Posters are expected to conduct themselves in a decorous manner appropriate to a working list. Posters not doing so may be moderated or removed. The list moderators' decision is final. I'd expect personal attacks or legal threats would violate the first sentence. Per the second sentence, I've just put Tony on moderation (not kicked, but on moderation); no more legal threats or anything like one will be let through. Note the third sentence. Now, let's take this opportunity to be lovely to each other! - d. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Scotty, Tony and Steven
I think banning someone is ridiculous. John Vandenberg is a very competent administrator and former President, and has done an extremely good job. I think we should take notice of what he says. Tony has something to say on the list, and is entitled to be heard. I believe him to have the interests of Wikimedia at heart. Lyle -Original Message- From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: Monday, 17 March 2014 8:14 AM To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter Cc: billinghu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Scotty, Tony and Steven Can I just concur with all the below. - d. On 16 March 2014 21:10, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com wrote: What a total load of self-serving bullshit. * Tony - if you bleat and whine and attack, these things happen. What is the surprise? Such is life. Grow up. * Scotty - really, find a bitch fight and join in. Grow up. * Steven - poor list administration. Make a decision and tell them. Grow up. * Billinghurst - why in the hell do you stay here. Unsubscribe, they won't grow up. You don't seem to have the best interests of the wiki, wiki for Australians, nor WMAU, it is all about each of you, and your climb through politics. All of you need to stop your personal self-satisfaction in public. What a disgraceful public performance from each of you. Regards, Billinghurst - unsubscribing ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries
The usual practice of CAV if Rule Changes are not sent in within a month of the meeting is to require that the Rule changes be done again. It may be different under the new Act but I know of cases where this has happened. Lyle From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tony Souter Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 4:17 PM To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries Dear members Since under the chapter's rules I'm still a member of WMAU until 30 Juneat which time no membership will be revewable for anyone under the rules, I'm sorry to saymay I ask whether the minutes of today's committee meeting will be posted promptly, unlike last time? Looking at the minutes of the most recent meeting (by the way, pretty short on links for members to navigate to referents), I see 12 red ACTION statements; only one of them is followed by a note that the action was taken: ACTION: Steven to advise Adam. (Update: Actioned 25 November - committee members CC'd on email.) Although it doesn't say whether the action succeeded in terms of the resolution. A sample of the other 11 is below, together with a few other queries. __ *ACTION: All to update COI register. Nope: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policy http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policya ction=history action=history __ *Update of records with CAV and the ACNC § Steven advised that everyone had sent through the necessary details. Email issues have hampered the ACNC matter; Steven is sending Andrew the form via express post. § The rule changes have not been sent to CAV from the SGM. If it goes beyond 26 November, the lodgment fee increases from $75.20 to $160.50. § ACTION: Steven to email Andrew the form; Andrew to file it with CAV on Tuesday. Even if the rule changes were sent to CAV by 26 November, saving the chapter half the fee, it ignores the fact that the law (not the rules, the law) was breached by not communicating the change within a month of the SGM that approved the changes. I believe there's a fine for that breach, but would need to check the Act to confirm this. __ *A7 Past resolutions § ACTION: Andrew to sort out past resolutions for posting to the public wiki. This cake looks worryingly half-baked: (add 2013-14, note out of date (will fill this in over coming week) http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutions http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutionsaction=history action=history __ *C4 Linkage project there are questions as to its fit with our Statement of PurposeI don't see an argument anywhere supporting this claim. Like the CAV's answers to questions by one committee member about compliance, the answers depend on how those questions are framed. Presumably the previous committee thought the project fit with the SoP. The current spending is authorised by a resolution of the previous committee, but we have the option to rescind this. But one of the problems in squibbing on this funding is that the chapter signed a contract with the other parties. Why sign a binding contract if you're going to flush it down the pan in the hope you won't be sued, even if suing is unlikely? It's a pretty bad smell for the chapter's reputation at the very least. Who (including the WMF) would sign a contract with WMAU after that? This sits oddly with a generally loose approach to spending, without clear signs of improving the performance of the chapter: I see proposals to move from a free email system to one that costs $50 a year per person ($50? really?), and that the discourse on the site is so sensitive that a much more expensive non-shared option is being considered. Since the site remains a ghost town, I can't see the purpose in bumping up expenditure on it by one cent. Even snail-mail looks like incurring more costs (redirect fee, etc). May I ask why a mail box is used in the first place? If someone has to have the key to it, why not mail to their home to save costs and expedite communication? It's very unsuitable in a huge continent to assign one location for a paid mailbox. May I ask why nearly a thousand dollars was set aside in the August meeting for some online course experiment in ... what ... company board membership skills? Really? I thought the election would have sorted out who was competent to serve on the committee. And is the Committee pursuing the idea of spending the grand some of $5,000 each quarter to ferry to, and accommodate and feed the committee, in a different location in Australia? For the Sydney meeting last year, only one member turned up. How is that Fit to Purpose or value for money? http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Quarterly_board_meetings
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity
The Conversation today has this piece that anyone thinking of applying might like to look at. I've removed the pictures, so if you are interested go to The Conversation and look at the real thing. Scientists at work: stuck in the Antarctic ice we set out to study Antarctica is a desolate place. That much we know, but nothing prepares you for it until you actually get there. It's cold, windy and lonely. Everything about it is the exact opposite of my normal summer. Author 1. http://theconversation.com/profiles/erik-van-sebille-90793 Erik van Sebille http://theconversation.com/profiles/erik-van-sebille-90793 Physical Oceanographer at University of New South Wales http://theconversation.com/profiles/erik-van-sebille-90793 Disclosure Statement Erik van Sebille receives funding from the Australian Research Council (ARC). University of New South Wales does not contribute to the cost of running The Conversation. Find out more. http://theconversation.com/who-funds-the-conversation-13921 The Conversation is funded by CSIRO, Melbourne, Monash, RMIT, UTS, UWA, ACU, ANU, Canberra, CDU, Curtin, Deakin, Flinders, Griffith, JCU, La Trobe, Massey, Murdoch, Newcastle, QUT, Swinburne, Sydney, UniSA, USC, USQ, UTAS, UWS and VU. University of New South Wales Jobs * Lecturer / Senior Lecturer in Art Education REF 9828 http://jobs.theconversation.edu.au/jobs/6570-lecturer-senior-lecturer-in-ar t-education-ref-9828?utm_source=theconversation.comutm_medium=websiteutm_c ampaign=article More JobsWhere experts find jobs http://jobs.theconversation.edu.au/search/organisations/university-of-new-s outh-wales?utm_campaign=articleutm_medium=websiteutm_source=theconversatio n.com On board the wonderful Australian icebreaker Aurora australis. Intrepid Science Antarctica is a desolate place. That much we know, but nothing prepares you for it until you actually get there. It's cold, windy and lonely. Everything about it is the exact opposite of my normal summer destination. But scientists value the continent like an uncut gem. Every bit of data retrieved from Antarctica pushes science forward. Which is why just over a month ago, we set out on the Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013 http://www.spiritofmawson.com/ . Our goal was a survey of the Southern Ocean near a place called Commonwealth Bay, which is unique because its conditions changed dramatically a few years ago. Ever since Sir Douglas Mawson first arrived in Commonwealth Bay in 1912, the place has been ice-free and directly connected to the Southern Ocean in summer. But in 2010 a giant iceberg (B09B, almost 100km wide) ran aground in the middle of the bay and since then sea ice has been building up around the berg. There is now 70km of ice between the ocean and the site where Mawson sailed in. Mawson's original Australasian Antarctic Expedition Intrepid Science Scientifically, the iceberg offers a wonderful opportunity. Climate change in Antarctica means melting of the ice sheet, but also an increase in sea ice. While the extra sea ice in Commonwealth Bay is not directly due to climate change, the site offers a unique glimpse of how it affects the ecosystems. Commonwealth Bay is as close to a controlled lab experiment as one can get in Antarctic science. So despite my aversion to cold, I joined a team of ecologists, glaciologists, ornithologists and oceanographers heading south. Along with us, we had journalists, teachers and nearly two dozen paying science volunteers. We set out to study what difference an iceberg makes. With the birds I've been at sea before, having spent a total of 15 weeks aboard four different research vessels, measuring the temperature and salinity of the ocean. But all of these expeditions were in the subtropics. There isn't much ice around there. Taking observations on ice is much more difficult than in open water. Going off the ship is an endeavour - the Antarctic equivalent of a spacewalk. It requires careful planning and preparation. Even a short trip requires a full survival kit, including tent, sleeping bag, freeze-dried food and a plastic bag to use as toilet. This is because blizzards can trap people in the open without warning. Fortunately, we never needed to use the survival kit. Nor the plastic bag. We returned to the ship with some amazing data. My ecologist colleagues found that kelp forests are dying in Commonwealth Bay because the sea ice blocks sunlight. My ornithologist colleague found that penguin colonies are in decline as the penguins need to walk so much further to get to open water. And I found that the water below the sea ice has become less saline. The cyclic freezing and melting of the bottom parts of the sea ice annually has created a 40m thick freshwater lens. As freshwater freezes more easily than saltier water, the drop in salinity below the sea ice means that it is easier to form new sea ice. This is called a positive feedback cycle, and it means that the bay is likely to
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Rule changes
Thanks Tony for your alertness. The link to the Model Rules on the Wikimedia web site is not a link to the current Model Rules but a link to the old Model Rules under the former Associations Incorporation Act (Victoria) 1981. There are in fact two versions of the Model Rules since the proclamation of the Associations Incorporation Reform Act 2012 on 26 November 2012. One was a makeshift one as CAV didn't have a proper one ready on 26 November last year. A very comprehensive Model Rules was put on the web site in February or March this year. The current version of the Model Rules is well drawn up, but it does contain items that Wikimedia may wish to modify. The current (and correct) version can be downloaded from http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/clubs-and-not-for-profits/incorporated-associ ations/running-an-incorporated-association/rules#model-rules in English, Arabic, Chinese and Vietnamese. Make sure the English version is downloaded. I'm not being facetious. I downloaded the Arabic version by mistake. Perhaps Andrew you could put this link on the Wikimedia web site to replace the incorrect link? The term Special Resolution must be used for any motion concerning Rules at an AGM or a SGM. A Special Resolution requires a 75 per cent vote. This is legal advice from the barrister who is the editor of Horsley's Meetings (and also the ALP National Returning Officer). In the Rules on the web site for Wikimedia the Purposes are I think shown in an appendix. If we are largely going to adopt the Model Rules the purposes go in Rule 2. I wrote or at least put together the Rules for a Church in Melbourne. My Rules were approved, but CAV made a qualification the my Rules made no provision for access of members to documents, as a result the Model Rules for this should apply (which is Rule 75) and that the Church should notify its members of this. In fact I did make such provision, and the matter is being referred to a solicitor at the request of the Committee of the Church. This is probably not necessary but I'll go along with it. I have had a lot of health problems this year and I apologise I haven't been as helpful as I should have been in discussions on the Rules. The 28 day requirement in the past has been quite a problem to tardy incorporated associations. CAV have required a new SGM in some cases where Rule changes were not notified within the 28 day period. It was the responsibility of the Public Officer, and is now the responsibility of the Secretary, to ensure that special resolutions carried by the required majority are notified to CAV within the appropriate 28 day period and the required fee is paid. Hope this is of help. Lyle From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tony Souter Sent: Saturday, 30 November 2013 5:36 PM To: Wikimedia-au Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Rule changes Members, I notice that a member has gone in and changed the rules to incorporate the rule changes that gained the support of the special general meeting in October. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Rules http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Rulesdiff=11027oldid=10529 diff=11027oldid=10529 Was the result of the SGM communicated to Consumer Affairs Victoria within the 28-day period required by the law (a breach would attract a fine)? Has the result been communicated at all to CAV? If so, has CAV approved it? Rule changes are not valid until the CAV approves them. Tony ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
