Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

2009-02-10 Thread Gnangarra
The duration of copyright in photographs was significantly extended as a
result of implementing Australia's
obligations under the AUSFTA. This made protection for photographs
consistent with protection for other types of
artistic works. For photographs in which copyrights still subsisted on 1
January 2005, or which are created on or
after that date, copyright lasts until 70 years from the end of the year in
which the photographer died.

Prior to this phototgraphs were PD after 50 years they were taken not after
the death of the photographer,

Painting etc have always been after the artists death, there was a window of
opportunity to copyrighted works in other countries that werent covered by
US copyright that the owner could register the work in the US and get
copyright reinstate in the US though it *did not  could not *be applied if
copyright had been extinguished in the originating country, the target group
of works for this was some cinamatic and all music where copyright in the US
was 20-25 years for foreign works, though it could have been applied to
photographs I havent seen any images that have been registered..

It is common practise for Australian institutions to claim copyright on PD
images where they dont actually have that right but they can reasonable
expect a fee for providing high quality large format copies for reuse so I
presume they use the copyright claim as the way of ensuring they get the
fee.

The image is already used in the FA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman and was on the main page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/August_27,_2008I'd
say theres very little doubt given the scrutiny and usage that the
image
has already had in the last 6 months that its PD


2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

 Oh I hate this stuff

 According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
 most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
 the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
 *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
 even trickier.
 http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

 I don't know if we want to take their advice, but on that reading it is
 *likely* that a 1946 photographer probably lived 'till 1955 and therefore
 the image is *likely* still copyrighted. However, this is NOT the practice
 on WP to-date and it is not an uncontested reading.

 -Liam

 On 2/10/09, YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can anyone who understands PD-Australia look at


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Donald_Bradman_with_the_Australian_cricket_team_in_England_in_1948

 please

 The 1955 rule seems to being challenged again

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

2009-02-10 Thread Gnangarra
Under the FTA copyright in the US is extinguished if the copyright in the
originating country was already extinguished at the time of FTA being
implimented

2009/2/11 Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com

 2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:
 
  According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are
 the
  most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
  the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
  *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
  even trickier.
  http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

 Photos are a special case. Prior to the FTA changes, the rule was 50
 years after the photo was *taken*. Any photo taken in Australia before
 1 Jan 1955 is in the public domain in Australia.

 After the FTA changes, the rule became life of the author plus 70,
 just like for other types of works. This applies to any photo taken
 after 1 Jan 2005, or any photo still in copyright as at 1 Jan 2005.

 That's only Australian copyright though, things can be under copyright
 still in the US even if they are out of copyright elsewhere, thanks to
 stupid American copyright law.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

2009-02-09 Thread Liam Wyatt
Oh I hate this stuff

According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
*published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
even trickier.
http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

I don't know if we want to take their advice, but on that reading it is
*likely* that a 1946 photographer probably lived 'till 1955 and therefore
the image is *likely* still copyrighted. However, this is NOT the practice
on WP to-date and it is not an uncontested reading.

-Liam

On 2/10/09, YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can anyone who understands PD-Australia look at


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Donald_Bradman_with_the_Australian_cricket_team_in_England_in_1948

 please

 The 1955 rule seems to being challenged again

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