Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:59 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: +1. Yes, milestones are nice things to celebrate, but not something to start regarding as a metric. +1 :) When you start comparing with other wikis then it becomes a metric. And depth is the only metric related with total number of edits :) Ravu ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Why do new users create accounts on Wikipedia?
Lennart is organising a survey to understand why users register in Wikipedia at all. During the first phase, English, German, French, Spanish, Swedish, Bengali and Bahasa Melayu are targetted. Some preliminary results are given at: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Account_Creation_Improvement_Project#First_results_from_the_Account_creation_survey It would be nice if we can localise the survey and run it in most of our wikipedias. If anybody wants to volunteer to localise the survey, please get in touch with Lennart (copied) or drop a message in the talk page above. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote: Its not just about stubs. We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias *Depths above 300 for Wikipedias http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notes below 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant. * When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs. The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts. Ravi This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia has its strength and its weakness. Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say thats not wiki style :( . But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots, most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing the owner (Recent eg: See history of ??:??? http://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%BEaction=history). Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked. There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (?) pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic. In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content (I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using talk pages aslo very well. It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental to depth. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 31, Issue 54
Stepping in here without knowing all there is to about this, so excuse me if there are gaps. It seems to me as if no one metric in any way outdoes others; i.e. one high metric is just that, and can be well celebrated on it's own without imputing (or relating to) 'overall' strength/ success based on multiple metrics. Might it make sense to think of it this way? That is to say, the overall strength of a language Wikipedia is something like the overall strength of an average Wikipedian; a good score on a commonly acceptable metric is a wonderful thing but by no means is *the* thing. In the discussion so far, it doesn't seem to as if you can substitute depth with any other metric (even a more commonly acceptable one like article count) and say that a particular language Wikipedia - as a whole - is better on that basis. Simultaneously, it doesn't mean that an achievement in depth is anything to scoff at either.. It seems as if there are a whole host of tangible and intangible factors that make up the success of a Wikimedia project; some are measurable, others definitely not. On Thursday 27 January 2011 05:58 PM, wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. The Hindu : One among the clan of Wikipedians (CherianTinu Abraham) 2. Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone (BalaSundaraRaman) 3. Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone (Ravishankar) 4. Why do new users create accounts on Wikipedia? (BalaSundaraRaman) 5. Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone (praveenp) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:46:52 +0530 From: CherianTinu Abrahamtinucher...@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] The Hindu : One among the clan of Wikipedians To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Bangalore Wikimedia list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Achal Prabhala \(Wikimedia Foundation\)aprabh...@gmail.com Message-ID: aanlktikop7awwfg_qkkosx-xusaa0n-xhbjho01zd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The Hindu : One among the clan of Wikipedians, featuring Achal Prabhala http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-neighbourhood/article1128553.ece Regards Tinu Cherian -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110127/090ffee9/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: BalaSundaraRamansundarbe...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID:770912.87393...@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +1. Yes, milestones are nice things to celebrate, but not something to start regarding as a metric. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: CherianTinu Abrahamtinucher...@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:45:17 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone Although page depth was not really connected with the current trend, Personally, I think page depth is no longer a reliable metric for comparison, here is why I think so. Assamese Wikipedia ( 312 articles) : page depth is 339 . Sindi ( 355 articles): 381 Compare this with Bengali ( 22,062 articles) : 374 Malayalam ( 16,414 articles) : 320 It is self-explanatory... Technically 1 million edits is a cute milestone ( congrats to ml wiki) to take notice, but we cannot consider it as real metric for comparison among Wikipedias. There are language Wikipedias where Google translation/Machine translations or bot created articles are banned or controlled tightly
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental to depth. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) Hi Praveen, My comment was shared generally on what we measure and its relevance. For example, Google measures its project based on number of words translated. But this number is irrelevant if the translation is mechanical and flawed. I can cite numerous example where it is easy to get lost in numbers and chase wrong targets. Many of us who shared differing views do work with and appreciate Malayalam Wikipedians on various things. So, please do not take this as a view against Malayalam Wikipedia. All izz well :) Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
Praveen, You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki friends. ;) We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation in one of the finest Indian wikis. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) I don't think anyone doubted that. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote: Its not just about stubs. We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias Depths above 300 for Wikipedias below 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant. When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs. The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts. Ravi This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia has its strength and its weakness. Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say thats not wiki style :( . But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots, most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾ). Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked. There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം) pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic. In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content (I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using talk pages aslo very well. It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental to depth. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :)___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] GSOC 2011
Google has announced GSoC2011. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-summer-of-code-announced-at-lca.html The timeline is here: http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline This is a very good opportunity for students to participate and showcase their skills. Read the above links for more details. As you can read from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2011 Mediawiki plans to participate in GSOC 2011. So students or mentors having wonderful project ideas to improve mediawiki, please add here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2011/Project_ideas Thanks Santhosh Thottingal ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: *Number of edits per article measure* may not be meaningful comparison, when comparing wikipedias, as each language wikipedia follows its own policies with regard to stub articles. Great. Arjuna, Kindly share the policy of Telugu Wikipedia with regard to stub articles. I am sure other Indian language wikipedias will benefit from it. Stubs are not discouraged on Telugu wiki whether they are manually created or bot created. Since the measure is a ratio with number of articles in the denominator, the value will be low, when a Wikipedia has lots of stub articles. On Telugu wikipedia, the large number of village articles created in 2007-2008 with help of a bot skew this measure. Cheers Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot edits* across some major Indian wikis. - Bengali - 76 - Bishnupriya Manipuri - 97 - Gujarati - 37 - Hindi - 50 - Kannada - 59 - Malayalam - 42 - Marathi - 62 - Sanskrit - 85 - Tamil - 51 - Telugu - 51 - Urdu - 59 I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric is *number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians. We saw much value in all the metric that is published at http://stats.wikimedia.org/. I know many others are also finding value to it, that is why it is published every month. Shiju Alex On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: Praveen, You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki friends. ;) We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation in one of the finest Indian wikis. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) I don't think anyone doubted that. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture *From:* praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote: Its not just about stubs. We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias *Depths above 300 for Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notesbelow 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant. * When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs. The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts. Ravi This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia has its strength and its weakness. Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say thats not wiki style :( . But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots, most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%BEaction=history). Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked. There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം) pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic. In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large number of templates and many help pages and project pages with good content (I'm sure that many of these help pages and project pages are really useful to new users to jump start wikipedia) are available. I think we are using talk pages aslo very well. It is clear from depth formula, that all these factors can be incremental to depth. So if anybody believes that Malayalam
[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia meetup at Mangalore
Wikipedians are meeting up at Mangalore this weekend: Date: *Saturday, 29 - January - 2011 3:00 PM IST* Venue: *St. Aloysius College* PG Block, Light house Hill Road Mangalore Karnataka More information at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mangalore/Jan_29_2011 http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=196639767018480 Join in! -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] 10,000+ articles on Kannada Wikipedia
An update was due. Kannada Wikipedia has recently crossed 10,000 articles milestone: http://kn.wikipedia.org/ Kannada Wiktionary now has more than 85,000 entries. Congratulations and heartfelt thanks to each contributor who has made this possible. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Wikipedias and various stats
Changed the subject line :D . The discussion has deviated very much from the original subject. :P Percentage of bot edits is interesting. Is it possible to differentiate interwiki non-inter-wiki bot edits on a Wikipedia ? Thoughts ? - Tinu Cherian On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot edits* across some major Indian wikis. - Bengali - 76 - Bishnupriya Manipuri - 97 - Gujarati - 37 - Hindi - 50 - Kannada - 59 - Malayalam - 42 - Marathi - 62 - Sanskrit - 85 - Tamil - 51 - Telugu - 51 - Urdu - 59 I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric is *number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians. We saw much value in all the metric that is published at http://stats.wikimedia.org/. I know many others are also finding value to it, that is why it is published every month. Shiju Alex On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote: Praveen, You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki friends. ;) We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation in one of the finest Indian wikis. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) I don't think anyone doubted that. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture *From:* praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote: Its not just about stubs. We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias *Depths above 300 for Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notesbelow 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant. * When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs. The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts. Ravi This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia has its strength and its weakness. Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say thats not wiki style :( . But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots, most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%BEaction=history). Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked. There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം) pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic. In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large number of templates and many help
[Wikimediaindia-l] What is page depth was Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
Hi all, Just read through the whole series of posts. As an editor I have a question/query? Is there some defined page depth? If there is who defines it ? Also an a non-metric or otherwise why is page depth important? Is page depth or page length of an article same or different? What aspects are taken into consideration while thinking of page depth? I play/edit a bit of EN:WP articles, is that context does anything above a stub means there is some page depth to the article . I am sure these are all basic questions to you all but it would be nice if there was some ideas about this. If there are hyperlinks which would be relevant to this would be nice as well. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
Hi, i am mayur an hindi wikipedian, we are going to do an survey regarding wikipedia's quality bsaed on verious factors very soon by this you all can compare quality of all wikipedias including english wiki. Thank you Mayur On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: In fact, bot edits in Indian Wikis is also an interesting metric. For example, see the below table to understand share of the *percentage of bot edits* across some major Indian wikis. - Bengali - 76 - Bishnupriya Manipuri - 97 - Gujarati - 37 - Hindi - 50 - Kannada - 59 - Malayalam - 42 - Marathi - 62 - Sanskrit - 85 - Tamil - 51 - Telugu - 51 - Urdu - 59 I know that for some Indian language wikipedians the only relevant metric is *number of articles*. But of course, not for the Malayalam wikipedians. We saw much value in all the metric that is published at http://stats.wikimedia.org/. I know many others are also finding value to it, that is why it is published every month. Shiju Alex On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: Praveen, You've shown how much insight we can glean by provoking Malayalam Wiki friends. ;) We all got a great inside view of the different aspects of participation in one of the finest Indian wikis. So if anybody believes that Malayalam Wikipedia is irrelevant, I welcome them to there to check its irrelevancy and contribute their home wikii until it become irrelevant like Malayalam Wikipedia. :) I don't think anyone doubted that. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture *From:* praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com *To:* Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Thu, January 27, 2011 5:58:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone On Thursday 27 January 2011 10:31 AM, Ravishankar wrote: Its not just about stubs. We have users in Tamil Wikipedia who bulk upload 100s of complete articles they wrote offline with just one edit per article. One great article can be uploaded in one click and one mediocre article can have 100s of edits. According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias *Depths above 300 for Wikipediashttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#Notesbelow 100 000 articles have been automatically dismissed as irrelevant. * When we focus on number of articles, some end up creating useless stubs. The same should not happen when we focus on edit counts. Ravi This may be nothing related to original thread. Sorry. Malayalam wikipedia has its strength and its weakness. Depth is just an indicator of collaborative character of editors. For a massive multiauthor collaboration site, some measurement mechanism is better than none. But I don't think large number of edits are bad. If anyone thinks that articel by single edit is better than multi edited article, I must say thats not wiki style :( . But there is an another issue, number of bot edits. Many ml users, mainly students, like to play with bots. Malayalam Wikipedia has never discouraged anyone for testing their bots (if their edits are okay), because user satisfaction is also a Wikipedia goal. We know that eventually they will create a great bot :). Sometimes running a bot is not very simple. I had a spell checker bot and I had to overview all of its edits, because of Malayalam's ligatures and grammatical rules [or may be because bad logic ;-)]. Even after running couple of months, it threw exceptions. So I'll say bot edits also are a kind of manual inputs. Now there are many global bots, most of them contributing interwiki. Bot conflict and bot-edit-war occurs occasionally which we usually avoided by protecting the page or by noticing the owner (Recent eg: See history of വർഗ്ഗം:ഫലകങ്ങൾhttp://ml.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%BC%E0%B4%97%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%97%E0%B4%82:%E0%B4%AB%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%99%E0%B5%BEaction=history). Malayalam Wikipedia is a small wiki, just over 16000 pages on main namespace, so it is easy to exaggerate bot contribution. But actually it is not, whenever a bot identified as doing unwanted edit it gets blocked. There are many wiki-projects which always engage users to do something on wiki. So whenever a user find an error, even it is the minute one, he/she corrects it. Nobody waits for large content to edit. Many portal (കവാടം) pages are there, which helps users to find their favourite topic. In ml.wp - many pages in category namespace (there is an active categorization wiki-project, which keeps articles finely categorized), large number of templates and many help pages and project
[Wikimediaindia-l] 10,000+ articles on Kannada Wikipedia
Congrats! And I see that Kannada is the Indian language Wiktionary with the second highest count... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/Table *Hari Prasad Nadig* hpnadig at gmail.com mailto:wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%2010%2C000%2B%20articles%20on%20Kannada%20WikipediaIn-Reply-To= /Thu Jan 27 16:11:48 UTC 2011/ * Previous message: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia meetup at Mangalore http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/001868.html * Next message: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Wikipedias and various stats http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/001870.html * *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/date.html#1869 [ thread ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/thread.html#1869 [ subject ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/subject.html#1869 [ author ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/author.html#1869 An update was due. Kannada Wikipedia has recently crossed 10,000 articles milestone: http://kn.wikipedia.org/ Kannada Wiktionary now has more than 85,000 entries. Congratulations and heartfelt thanks to each contributor who has made this possible. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net |http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110127/73fac3a0/attachment.htm ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] 10,000+ articles on Kannada Wikipedia
Congrats! And I see that Kannada is the Indian language Wiktionary with the second highest count... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/Table *Hari Prasad Nadig* hpnadig at gmail.com mailto:wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%2010%2C000%2B%20articles%20on%20Kannada%20WikipediaIn-Reply-To= /Thu Jan 27 16:11:48 UTC 2011/ * Previous message: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia meetup at Mangalore http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/001868.html * Next message: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Wikipedias and various stats http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/001870.html * *Messages sorted by:* [ date ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/date.html#1869 [ thread ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/thread.html#1869 [ subject ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/subject.html#1869 [ author ] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-January/author.html#1869 An update was due. Kannada Wikipedia has recently crossed 10,000 articles milestone: http://kn.wikipedia.org/ Kannada Wiktionary now has more than 85,000 entries. Congratulations and heartfelt thanks to each contributor who has made this possible. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net |http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110127/73fac3a0/attachment.htm ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-blr] The Hindu : One among the clan of Wikipedians
Hi Gokuldas, the good news is he's 'temporarily free' as of one month ago, albeit at a high price: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11962032 On Friday 28 January 2011 02:09 AM, gokul das wrote: Hi Wikies, Ignite a movement to free Hossein Derakhshan from the prison in Iran.It should be possible with the reach of Internet into 2 billion thinking heads. Gokuldas On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:46 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com mailto:tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: The Hindu : One among the clan of Wikipedians, featuring Achal Prabhala http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-neighbourhood/article1128553.ece Regards Tinu Cherian ___ Wikimedia-in-blr mailing list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-blr ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-blr] Wikipedia meetup at Mangalore
no offence, but can we restrict the discussions on the mailing list to Wikipedia/Wikimedia issues only ? -Tinu Cherian On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:31 AM, gokul das gokuldas.1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,Mangalore Wikis, Three Cheers! Have a nice 29th Jan'11.evening. Save the blogger Hossein Derakhshan who is serving a prison term in Iran. His crime:Innocence and belief in world peace. WikiGokuldas On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.comwrote: Wikipedians are meeting up at Mangalore this weekend: Date: *Saturday, 29 - January - 2011 3:00 PM IST* Venue: *St. Aloysius College* PG Block, Light house Hill Road Mangalore Karnataka More information at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mangalore/Jan_29_2011 http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=196639767018480 Join in! -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimedia-in-blr mailing list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-blr ___ Wikimedia-in-blr mailing list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-blr ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-blr] 10, 000+ articles on Kannada Wikipedia
Congrats once again to all Kannada wikians contriuting to the Wikipedia and Wiktionary. IIRC, this was a gift in time for WP TEN. - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture From: Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India List wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Kannada Wikipedia Discussion List wikik...@wikipedia.org wikik...@lists.wikimedia.org; Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Bangalore, India wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 9:41:48 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-in-blr] 10,000+ articles on Kannada Wikipedia An update was due. Kannada Wikipedia has recently crossed 10,000 articles milestone: http://kn.wikipedia.org/ Kannada Wiktionary now has more than 85,000 entries. Congratulations and heartfelt thanks to each contributor who has made this possible. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net | http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] What is page depth was Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Depth - Sundar That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted. - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture - Original Message From: shirish शिरीष shirisha...@gmail.com To: Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 10:36:36 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] What is page depth was Re: Malayalam wikipedia crossed the 10 Lakh/1 million edits milestone Hi all, Just read through the whole series of posts. As an editor I have a question/query? Is there some defined page depth? If there is who defines it ? Also an a non-metric or otherwise why is page depth important? Is page depth or page length of an article same or different? What aspects are taken into consideration while thinking of page depth? I play/edit a bit of EN:WP articles, is that context does anything above a stub means there is some page depth to the article . I am sure these are all basic questions to you all but it would be nice if there was some ideas about this. If there are hyperlinks which would be relevant to this would be nice as well. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
