Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

2016-03-28 Thread sankarshan 
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
 wrote:

> Please be assured, although your concerns are genuine but they do not hold
> any weight. The only people who are somewhat intimately associated with the
> Chapter are its founder members.

Continuing on my genuine weightless concerns, here's a set of excerpts
from the PDF in the original email containing this idea.

"The primary objective of setting up an advisory board at Wikimedia
India is to receive support, suggestions, guidance, advice and help in
achieving chapter’s objective from distinguished individuals having
excelled in their respective fields and mission. The advisory board
members would provide a non-binding advice to the Executive Committee
Members, Wikimedia India Staff and the community comprising of long
list of editors across different language groups."

"Advisory board members would provide the chapter with new knowledge,
development of strategic thinking and possible alternatives based on
their expertise from different fields. The advisory board would in
turn strengthen the executive committee and wikimedia staff to better
execute their work, but does not interfere with either the executive
committee or wikimedia india staff regarding the disclosure of
confidential documents or forceful execution of their advices."

"The selection of the advisory board members would be determined by
the nature of what is sought and expected by the chapter, as the per
the situation in that period"

And now there is detail about the composition of the board.

"The advisory board would not have any fixed size , but it is prefered
that it consist of 4-8 members.One member would be an individual
having an international experience in working with the Wikimedia
organisation. The next group of these members would be individuals who
were the founding members of the Chapter. The last group of members
would be individuals having experience across four different fields
such as legal, information technology, government regulation,
administrative experience, etc."


If the proposed advisory board is expected to bring in new knowledge,
development of strategic thinking etc then loading it up with
individuals who were the founding members of the chapter seems
orthogonal to the rationale. Also, there ought to be a cogent
explanation of "founding member of the chapter" is a selection
criteria in lieu of 'expertise from different fields'. Given that the
advisory board seems to be accountable to none, enforcing an arbitrary
group of people whose common denominator is being the founding member
of a chapter (which, to be fair, has been somewhat moribund) isn't
immediately encouraging.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

2016-03-28 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Abhinav Srivastava <
abhinav.srivast...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Hi Sankarshan,
>
> Please be assured, although your concerns are genuine but they do not hold
> any weight. The only people who are somewhat intimately associated with the
> Chapter are its founder members.
>


This is an interesting statement.
I am not aware of any activities EC is doing with the founding members.

I am trying to find out what is really happening in the chapter by asking
queries to EC but nobody responds. EC members are leaving without giving
any reasons, compliance status is unknown, financial position is unknown
and now one of the EC members say only the founding members are somewhat
intimately associated.. Thats a wrong statement for sure.

-Sudhanwa




>
> Thanks
>
> On 28 March 2016 at 17:31, sankarshan  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for raising out the concern. Yes, the Wikimedia India's prime
>> > objective is to seek individuals with individual expertise. Wikimedia
>> India
>> > is a growing organisation, hence, the individuals at the advisory
>> council
>> > could provide the precise guidance on how to step under bigger
>> institutional
>> > framework.
>> >
>>
>> That was not the concern raised. The (proposed?) composition of the
>> advisory board seems to be skewed in favor of individuals who have
>> been somewhat intimately associated with the Chapter. This in turn is
>> orthogonal to the stated approach of having a diverse set of
>> specialized inputs.
>>
>> [The snippet from the original post is kept intact below to highlight
>> the specific concern raised]
>>
>> > On 23 March 2016 at 13:13, sankarshan 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise
>> >> > and
>> >> > connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific
>> >> > advice.
>> >> > However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to discuss all
>> >> > issues
>> >> > together and provide consensus.
>> >>
>> >> From the document:
>> >>
>> >> "The advisory board would not have any fixed size , but it is prefered
>> >> that it consist of 4-8 members.One member
>> >> would be an individual having an international experience in working
>> >> with the Wikimedia organisation. The next
>> >> group of these members would be individuals who were the founding
>> >> members of the Chapter. The last group of
>> >> members would be individuals having experience across four different
>> >> fields such as legal, information
>> >> technology, government regulation, administrative experience, etc."
>> >>
>> >> The (proposed?) composition seems peculiarly skewed towards
>> >> individuals with institutional memory.
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

2016-03-28 Thread Abhinav Srivastava 
Hi Sankarshan,

Please be assured, although your concerns are genuine but they do not hold
any weight. The only people who are somewhat intimately associated with the
Chapter are its founder members.

Thanks

On 28 March 2016 at 17:31, sankarshan  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for raising out the concern. Yes, the Wikimedia India's prime
> > objective is to seek individuals with individual expertise. Wikimedia
> India
> > is a growing organisation, hence, the individuals at the advisory council
> > could provide the precise guidance on how to step under bigger
> institutional
> > framework.
> >
>
> That was not the concern raised. The (proposed?) composition of the
> advisory board seems to be skewed in favor of individuals who have
> been somewhat intimately associated with the Chapter. This in turn is
> orthogonal to the stated approach of having a diverse set of
> specialized inputs.
>
> [The snippet from the original post is kept intact below to highlight
> the specific concern raised]
>
> > On 23 March 2016 at 13:13, sankarshan 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise
> >> > and
> >> > connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific
> >> > advice.
> >> > However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to discuss all
> >> > issues
> >> > together and provide consensus.
> >>
> >> From the document:
> >>
> >> "The advisory board would not have any fixed size , but it is prefered
> >> that it consist of 4-8 members.One member
> >> would be an individual having an international experience in working
> >> with the Wikimedia organisation. The next
> >> group of these members would be individuals who were the founding
> >> members of the Chapter. The last group of
> >> members would be individuals having experience across four different
> >> fields such as legal, information
> >> technology, government regulation, administrative experience, etc."
> >>
> >> The (proposed?) composition seems peculiarly skewed towards
> >> individuals with institutional memory.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1079, Issue 1

2016-03-28 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal 
Hi all,


I have gone through the nomination page and questions asked to the
candidates. My choice would be* Nataliia Tymkiv* and *Kunal Mehta. *

Both these candidates are well aware of the declining relationship among
community, staff and WMF and want to solve them in a transparent wiki way.
Both their answers seemed practical to me and I think, if they are
selected, they would make a difference.

A newcomer Nataliia's stand against Wikimedia Ukraine ED Yury Perohanych's
whimsical approach to community members in 2013 is also worth mentioning.
Salute!
(
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations/Nataliia_Tymkiv#Deletion_of_the_Bible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_149#a_simple_question_.28i_hope.29_that_can_be_a_tricky_one_.28i_fear.29
)

Kunal Mehta is a WMF staff as well as an active Wikimedia volunteer, a
combination we obviously need in a BoT member. He has closely observed the
crises built in foundation and in my opinion, has more insights in this
matter than other candidates.

Other candidates, except few, are also active Wikipedians in their way and
if I had another option, I would preferred Osmar Valdebenito.

--

P.S.

Satdeep and Sudhanwa preferred Siska Doviana. With all due respect,
personally I am not fond of those Wikimedians who are not/less active
on-wiki and still are/were EC members of different Wikimedia chapters. I
know, that global edit-count is not the best indicator for Wikimedia
involvement, but on-wiki involvement helps Wikimedians know the dynamics of
the community, realize common community problems by heart and look for
solution collaboratively. To me, if you are an EC member, then you have
more reason to edit on-wiki (not only meta), because that only makes you
build the bond with community members.

In this context, I will *NOT* recommend WMIN to support Siska Doviana from
WMID, who has only around 3,300 global edits!!.
(
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth=Siska.Doviana)

I also do not support her initiative, stated in her nomination talk page,
about providing huge amount of money to winners of content competition. To
me, its a way to trigger dangerous practice in wiki world.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominations/Siska_Doviana#Content%20adding


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

2016-03-28 Thread sankarshan 
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
 wrote:

> Thanks for raising out the concern. Yes, the Wikimedia India's prime
> objective is to seek individuals with individual expertise. Wikimedia India
> is a growing organisation, hence, the individuals at the advisory council
> could provide the precise guidance on how to step under bigger institutional
> framework.
>

That was not the concern raised. The (proposed?) composition of the
advisory board seems to be skewed in favor of individuals who have
been somewhat intimately associated with the Chapter. This in turn is
orthogonal to the stated approach of having a diverse set of
specialized inputs.

[The snippet from the original post is kept intact below to highlight
the specific concern raised]

> On 23 March 2016 at 13:13, sankarshan  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Abhinav Srivastava
>>  wrote:
>> > Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise
>> > and
>> > connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific
>> > advice.
>> > However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to discuss all
>> > issues
>> > together and provide consensus.
>>
>> From the document:
>>
>> "The advisory board would not have any fixed size , but it is prefered
>> that it consist of 4-8 members.One member
>> would be an individual having an international experience in working
>> with the Wikimedia organisation. The next
>> group of these members would be individuals who were the founding
>> members of the Chapter. The last group of
>> members would be individuals having experience across four different
>> fields such as legal, information
>> technology, government regulation, administrative experience, etc."
>>
>> The (proposed?) composition seems peculiarly skewed towards
>> individuals with institutional memory.
>>
>> --
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

2016-03-28 Thread Yohann Thomas 
Dhaval, Sripathy & Yann

Thanks for Volunteering for the Advisory committee.
We will be waiting some more time for more volunteers to come forward &
once we have enough on board, we will go ahead & form the committee


Yohann Thomas
yohan...@gmail.com

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> And you can add me as well. I have been associated with Indic wikipedia
> for last 8 years.
> On 23 Mar 2016 07:32, "sri pathy7"  wrote:
>
>> Srivastava Abhinav
>> Executive Committee Member|Wikimedia India
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> Thanks for ur e-mail. U can include my name in advisory council.
>>
>> Prof.T.Sripathy
>> Department Of Electronic Media
>> Bangalore University
>> Jnanabharati Campus
>> Bangalore-560056
>>
>> Wish u all the best.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Prof.T.Sripathy
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Abhinav Srivastava <
>> abhinav.srivast...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> As a step to nurture Wikimedia India into in fact even bigger roles such
>>> that it realizes its mission, beliefs and goals more efficiently, Wikimedia
>>> India has decided to setup an advisory council.
>>>
>>> Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise
>>> and connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific
>>> advice. However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to
>>> discuss all issues together and provide consensus.
>>>
>>> While the chapter relies on senior and experienced members from the
>>> community, it would now also try to enroll people outside Wiki movement.
>>> This should be an ongoing process. Growth and strength of WMIN will
>>> depend on how many capable members outside our community get interested in
>>> us. Community members anyway will always be there to support us.
>>>
>>> Please find the attached document for more details.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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