Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-04-02 Thread Hisham 
Here's the log.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/IRC_meeting_2012-03-29

Do go through it.  It covers a lot of the work that is being done in outreach - 
including the kind of material that is available on 
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Outreach_Programs/Handbook#Respository_of_Documents)
 as well as ideas and suggestions on how best to conduct outreach sessions.  Am 
repeating the request for Indic community folks to help translate the documents 
so that (they) and others in their respective communities can use this 
material.  I'm also reiterating Nitika's point about the need to do more 
outreach in Indic languages and if anyone needs any support, please do reach 
out to her at nit...@wikimedia.org

Also, we discussed Wikipatrika and storytelling.  Wikipatrika needs involvement 
from all communities so that all are covered well.  For storytelling, we are 
looking at individual editors from all communities for us to celebrate their 
stories.  For any help on either, please do reach out to noo...@wikimedia.org.

Thank you.

From April onwards, we will move to our regular routine of 1st and 3rd 
Thursdays of every month.  Next IRC is planned for this Thursday (April 5th at 
9pm IST.)  It will be about Indic languages.  More details will follow.

Best

hisham

On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Nitika Tandon wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> Just a reminder. We are starting in 10 mins. Do join in!
> 
> Thanks
> Nitika
> 
> On 29-Mar-2012, at 8:54 AM, Hisham wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>> Reminder about the IRC later today (9pm IST on March 29th.)  Join in using 
>> this link: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office.
>> 
>> As I had indicated earlier, what we will do going forward is to publish an 
>> opening statement - which is below.  We'd like to have a rich discussion 
>> around these topics for 45 minutes and then throw it open for 15 minutes for 
>> any other topics that anyone wants to discuss.
>> 
>> There have been more than 22 outreach sesssions (English + some Indic 
>> languages) across India over the past 2 1/2 months.   We have been working 
>> on constantly every component of outreach.  
>> 
>> * Pre-session work - building supporting material (documents, presentations, 
>> handouts etc), evaluating different ways of conducting an effective 
>> outreach, using different ways to reach out to organisations with the 
>> proposal to conduct a session etc.
>> 
>> * Session work - adopting different techniques of doing  outreach, how do we 
>> get participants more involved during the session, how to filter out the 
>> folks so that we do the editing session only with the  genuinely interested 
>> participants, how to balance between practical and theoretical aspects of 
>> training, how much information to give out in one session etc.
>> 
>> * Post-session work - how do we provide editing support to the participants, 
>> how do we collect their contact information, how do we keep in touch with 
>> them on regular basis, how do we invite them to join other Wiki projects, 
>> how do we track their edit count - soon after the session, after 1 and 3 
>> months of conducting the session etc.
>> 
>> We'd like to discuss these.  In the IRC, the following will be covered:
>> 
>> * Indic Outreach: How can we do more outreach session in Indic langauges in 
>> particular? / Can regional communities work to translate supporting 
>> material? / How do we provide more support to different language communities 
>> to conduct these sessions? 
>> 
>> * More Outreach:  If we are doing 7 outreach session in one month right now 
>> is there a way of us doing 10 every month? / Can we find more community 
>> members who will be willing to conduct these session? / For community 
>> members who are interested to conduct outreach sessions but think they lack 
>> confidence - is there a way we can help them? 
>> 
>> * Better Outreach: Can we find some volunteers who will be willing to 
>> "adopt" these newbies and give them support? . 
>> 
>> I'd strongly encourage all those folks who have been actively involved in 
>> conducting these sessions over the past 2 months to join this IRC. It will 
>> be great if you could share your first hand experience with the wider 
>> community on what worked, what didn't, what we could have done better etc.  
>> I especially do want to ask Indic Wikimedians to join because we desperately 
>> need more outreach sessions in Indic languages.
>> 
>> We will also briefly address the early stages of the communications work - 
>> which are the storytelling and Wikipatrika support that was announced 
>> yesterday.  Given it's early days on communications, I'd prefer this IRC 
>> stay largely focussed on outreach since there is so much to work through 
>> there.
>> 
>> See you all there!
>> 
>> Apologies for sending this note this morning and not last night as I had 
>> promised.  
>> 
>> 
>> hisham
>> 
>> p.s. There is a (tiny) possibility that I might be slightly late but

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Nitika Tandon 
Hey,

Just a reminder. We are starting in 10 mins. Do join in!

Thanks
Nitika

On 29-Mar-2012, at 8:54 AM, Hisham wrote:

> Hi Folks
> 
> Reminder about the IRC later today (9pm IST on March 29th.)  Join in using 
> this link: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office.
> 
> As I had indicated earlier, what we will do going forward is to publish an 
> opening statement - which is below.  We'd like to have a rich discussion 
> around these topics for 45 minutes and then throw it open for 15 minutes for 
> any other topics that anyone wants to discuss.
> 
> There have been more than 22 outreach sesssions (English + some Indic 
> languages) across India over the past 2 1/2 months.   We have been working on 
> constantly every component of outreach.  
> 
> * Pre-session work - building supporting material (documents, presentations, 
> handouts etc), evaluating different ways of conducting an effective outreach, 
> using different ways to reach out to organisations with the proposal to 
> conduct a session etc.
> 
> * Session work - adopting different techniques of doing  outreach, how do we 
> get participants more involved during the session, how to filter out the 
> folks so that we do the editing session only with the  genuinely interested 
> participants, how to balance between practical and theoretical aspects of 
> training, how much information to give out in one session etc.
> 
> * Post-session work - how do we provide editing support to the participants, 
> how do we collect their contact information, how do we keep in touch with 
> them on regular basis, how do we invite them to join other Wiki projects, how 
> do we track their edit count - soon after the session, after 1 and 3 months 
> of conducting the session etc.
> 
> We'd like to discuss these.  In the IRC, the following will be covered:
> 
> * Indic Outreach: How can we do more outreach session in Indic langauges in 
> particular? / Can regional communities work to translate supporting material? 
> / How do we provide more support to different language communities to conduct 
> these sessions? 
> 
> * More Outreach:  If we are doing 7 outreach session in one month right now 
> is there a way of us doing 10 every month? / Can we find more community 
> members who will be willing to conduct these session? / For community members 
> who are interested to conduct outreach sessions but think they lack 
> confidence - is there a way we can help them? 
> 
> * Better Outreach: Can we find some volunteers who will be willing to "adopt" 
> these newbies and give them support? . 
> 
> I'd strongly encourage all those folks who have been actively involved in 
> conducting these sessions over the past 2 months to join this IRC. It will be 
> great if you could share your first hand experience with the wider community 
> on what worked, what didn't, what we could have done better etc.  I 
> especially do want to ask Indic Wikimedians to join because we desperately 
> need more outreach sessions in Indic languages.
> 
> We will also briefly address the early stages of the communications work - 
> which are the storytelling and Wikipatrika support that was announced 
> yesterday.  Given it's early days on communications, I'd prefer this IRC stay 
> largely focussed on outreach since there is so much to work through there.
> 
> See you all there!
> 
> Apologies for sending this note this morning and not last night as I had 
> promised.  
> 
> 
> hisham
> 
> p.s. There is a (tiny) possibility that I might be slightly late but you'll 
> all be in Nitika's safe hands.  I shall try and my level best to be on time.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Vickram, what you said is an 'expanded' version of what I meant.
I see no point in wasting time and efforts on such sessions if the net
result is zero.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Vickram Crishna
wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hisham, you say you're conducted 22+ sessions. How would you rate the
>> relative success of each of them? Four people editing on the day isn't
>> good enough. Long term editors should be used to measure success.
>>
>
> I think what you mean to say is that the editors on the day need to be
> tracked (not them: their contributions) regularly. This might aid in
> directing them to whatever post-outreach assistance they need, and also
> might result in the outreach 'business' snowballing, once other editors see
> how effective this is. I see two kinds of success for an outreach program:
>
> 1. Outreach multiplication, measured in outreach sessions per period
> (week/month/year)
> 2. Successful outreach sessions, measured in number of editors
> contributing x periods (weeks/months/years) after they participated in an
> outreach
>
> There is a third possible outcome, which is identifying (and perhaps
> rewarding) people who are good (ie conversion of newbies into editors) at
> outreach.
>
> I also see a different kind of outreach outcome, but which probably needs
> a different kind of outreach session, and that is through the addition of
> software contributors.
>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-28 Thread Vickram Crishna 
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hisham, you say you're conducted 22+ sessions. How would you rate the
> relative success of each of them? Four people editing on the day isn't
> good enough. Long term editors should be used to measure success.
>

I think what you mean to say is that the editors on the day need to be
tracked (not them: their contributions) regularly. This might aid in
directing them to whatever post-outreach assistance they need, and also
might result in the outreach 'business' snowballing, once other editors see
how effective this is. I see two kinds of success for an outreach program:

1. Outreach multiplication, measured in outreach sessions per period
(week/month/year)
2. Successful outreach sessions, measured in number of editors contributing
x periods (weeks/months/years) after they participated in an outreach

There is a third possible outcome, which is identifying (and perhaps
rewarding) people who are good (ie conversion of newbies into editors) at
outreach.

I also see a different kind of outreach outcome, but which probably needs a
different kind of outreach session, and that is through the addition of
software contributors.

> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-28 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Hisham, you say you're conducted 22+ sessions. How would you rate the
relative success of each of them? Four people editing on the day isn't
good enough. Long term editors should be used to measure success.

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[Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach & Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-28 Thread Hisham 
Hi Folks

Reminder about the IRC later today (9pm IST on March 29th.)  Join in using this 
link: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office.

As I had indicated earlier, what we will do going forward is to publish an 
opening statement - which is below.  We'd like to have a rich discussion around 
these topics for 45 minutes and then throw it open for 15 minutes for any other 
topics that anyone wants to discuss.

There have been more than 22 outreach sesssions (English + some Indic 
languages) across India over the past 2 1/2 months.   We have been working on 
constantly every component of outreach.  

* Pre-session work - building supporting material (documents, presentations, 
handouts etc), evaluating different ways of conducting an effective outreach, 
using different ways to reach out to organisations with the proposal to conduct 
a session etc.

* Session work - adopting different techniques of doing  outreach, how do we 
get participants more involved during the session, how to filter out the folks 
so that we do the editing session only with the  genuinely interested 
participants, how to balance between practical and theoretical aspects of 
training, how much information to give out in one session etc.

* Post-session work - how do we provide editing support to the participants, 
how do we collect their contact information, how do we keep in touch with them 
on regular basis, how do we invite them to join other Wiki projects, how do we 
track their edit count - soon after the session, after 1 and 3 months of 
conducting the session etc.

We'd like to discuss these.  In the IRC, the following will be covered:

* Indic Outreach: How can we do more outreach session in Indic langauges in 
particular? / Can regional communities work to translate supporting material? / 
How do we provide more support to different language communities to conduct 
these sessions? 

* More Outreach:  If we are doing 7 outreach session in one month right now is 
there a way of us doing 10 every month? / Can we find more community members 
who will be willing to conduct these session? / For community members who are 
interested to conduct outreach sessions but think they lack confidence - is 
there a way we can help them? 

* Better Outreach: Can we find some volunteers who will be willing to "adopt" 
these newbies and give them support? . 

I'd strongly encourage all those folks who have been actively involved in 
conducting these sessions over the past 2 months to join this IRC. It will be 
great if you could share your first hand experience with the wider community on 
what worked, what didn't, what we could have done better etc.  I especially do 
want to ask Indic Wikimedians to join because we desperately need more outreach 
sessions in Indic languages.

We will also briefly address the early stages of the communications work - 
which are the storytelling and Wikipatrika support that was announced 
yesterday.  Given it's early days on communications, I'd prefer this IRC stay 
largely focussed on outreach since there is so much to work through there.

See you all there!

Apologies for sending this note this morning and not last night as I had 
promised.  


hisham

p.s. There is a (tiny) possibility that I might be slightly late but you'll all 
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