Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 113
i just recieved the digest and it mostly contains only replies to the issues i raised. most of my mails are missing. or is there a glitch? Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: From: wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 113 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:23 PM Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Gautam John) 2. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Srikanth Ramakrishnan) 3. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Gautam John) 4. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Prateek Ramachandra) 5. Re: Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? (Swaroop Rao) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:36:56 +0530 From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: AANLkTimk7cfL6Dapw1=rnoqysczwwzc0pum3dkwb0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Basavaraj (and welcome to the list!): Arguendo, that Sanskti is socially irrelevant, why should a Wikipedia in that language not exist by force of action given that one already exists and is active? Would that not be a morally egregious position - to state that it should *not* exist? In my humble view, there is a big difference between forcefully shutting something that is active down and in not encouraging activity on something that is dormant. Also, Wikipedia in any language is not a body of work about that language but an encyclopedia in that language - the two aren't really analogous. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ On 26 February 2011 16:31, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com wrote: some reading on brahmanical tyranny,?lack of social relevence of sanskrit?and related topics http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYCpg=PA286lpg=PA286dq=sanskrit+brahmin+tyrannysource=blots=9iavUaojxpsig=by29KPhS9N1zl7yblgKxwhxs_DQhl=enei=DNdoTebsDIrMrQeakfDCCwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepageq=sanskrit%20brahmin%20tyrannyf=false http://www.ambedkar.org/brahmanism/Brahmins_were_benefited_by_Muslim_Conquest.htm http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/sanskrit_exposure.htm Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Is it morally right for govts to support sanskrit wikipedia? To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 10:36 AM Basavaraj, First of all, welcome to the mailing list and thanks for you interest in wikipedia. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Till the Britsh Raj, Brahmins kept a large part of Indian society out of bounds from knowledge which was in Sanskrit. They had provisions to pour molten lead into the ears of non-brahmins (including all women) who even heard a word of sanskrit. knowledge contained in that language is now available in English and Sanskrit only symbolises tyranny. Do we need Wikipedia in Sanskrit with the support of govt funding? On you question on government support for a specific language, it would be inappropriate for anyone to comment on behalf of government action. They (govt) are probably best positioned to respond to that query. As a far support for wikipedia or wikipedia is concerned, given there is a lot of volunteer work to be done, support from any quarters is welcome - individuals or organisations is welcome. The intention of this list is to connect wikipedians and those interested in wikipedia. Wikipedia seeks to collate the sum total off all knowledge and make it available for all to use
[Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia
sometime ago i asked where wikipedians discuss social relevance of what they are doing. does anyone know? Basavaraj N Itnal ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia
thanks gautham. but is that where wikipedians discuss or is that just a general group? Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:54 PM On 26 February 2011 19:22, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com wrote: sometime ago i asked where wikipedians discuss social relevance of what they are doing. does anyone know? This might be a good place: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/lang/de/mailinglist/ Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia
that's all for the day, folks. see ya tomorrow. and dont loose ears for dissent. Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:58 PM thanks gautham. but is that where wikipedians discuss or is that just a general group? Basavaraj N Itnal --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Social Relevance of Wikipedia To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:54 PM On 26 February 2011 19:22, Basavaraj Itnal basavarajit...@yahoo.com wrote: sometime ago i asked where wikipedians discuss social relevance of what they are doing. does anyone know? This might be a good place: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/lang/de/mailinglist/ Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 111
...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis. What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious. I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat because of my work on Wikisource. Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my Wikisource home page. The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in India. In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French literature. Bishakha Regards, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, ME. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement My infrastructure invasion... plus other images too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20110226/d0d42b35/attachment-0001.htm -- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:49:08 +0530 From: CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India ! To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktina4rrfq1vwofbsmpxkojsp-_thiprqpszha...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not really! We are closely following another case on another Wikipedian ( yes , in India ) who was reverting the removal of controversial section by the company itself ( not even with logged username, but as IP editor) on its Wikipedia article and now facing cyber crime charges and an FIR is already in place. You may want to talk to him and will know it is not easy and simple as you may think, especially going to the police station each time. My note on this below incident was originally sent to a closed mailing list and wasn't really meant to be forwarded to publicly archived mailing list. Just to clarify. Thanks Tinu Cherian On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: heh, this seems like a gross over-reaction to a facebook post. You are giving this person undue attention by even mentioning this in a publicly archived mailing list. If the foundation were to pay attention to every random forum posting or allegations like this it would never find the time to do anything else. Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared to the threats we get on a daily basis. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: While legal counsel might be important, I think the blowing the facebook comments out of proportion IMHO is WP:UNDUE. Regards Srikanth.L http://srik.me On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:31, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Hi Tinu: Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this the first example? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/ On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India ! To set the context to those who were not reading the thread of WikimediaIndia facebook page, Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a pseudo name ? ) . He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that he
