Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread geni
On 30 December 2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Tom,

 I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County Council
 and I made the point that it was Wikimedia UK they were partnering with -
 and we should be mentioned. I agree that John Cummings comment is spot on.
 He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new Wikipedian. He is the only
 wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are going to try and pull off an
 amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and creating 1,000 QR codes in a town
 that has no other known editors. John cannot do this  Monmouth and
 Wikimedia UK can.

 Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV and
 we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have promises of longer features. My
 own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story broke
 because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran
 with it. I'm not surprised, this a meme of an idea.

 The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board
 time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says got it
  lets do it. The only investment so far has been persuading the town
 that they want to do it. and we have had no one say No, nearly everyone
 has said yes ... how can we help. We have had a few who wanted to think
 about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We already have a
 university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and civic societies
 etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.

 This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would be
 great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or looked
 at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping. I would request
 however that people resist giving a quick lesson in what you are doing
 wrong to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times.

 Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we
 collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.

 I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me
 Roger


The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to
write local history about your local area (your local library will
have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far
more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a
fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local
Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for
articles.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Rod Ward
I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources
(although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better
article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being
interpreted?

The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably
not that significant for the town - would that be included?

Rod


The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to
write local history about your local area (your local library will
have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far
more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a
fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local
Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for
articles.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Roger Bamkin
Great to see this interest! I also have editors ready to translate when we
have some improved articles.

We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can
have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..

I've included John on the list to make sure he knows and he can hopefully
forward the requests. I know its not very easy but it is possible.
 As far as interpretation goes. Derby Museum used the rule that if the
article had a link then it was relevant. So a bio of an artist who cad
stuff in [[Derby Museum]] was relevant

So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to
link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]

John is looking for someone who can do some grome-ish stuff. He wants to
allow editors to claim points for writing articles. There is a proven
system at the GLAM/Derby
pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby/Multilingual_Challenge.
Does someone fancy moving the important bits to the MonmouthpediA
pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediAand
zeroing everything so we are ready to allow editors to claim points
etc.???

Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes
Monmouth Castle - Go for it!
There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be
local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.

If we can make a new or 5x expanded article then I'll get it on DYK - has
to be done in 5 days

MonmouthpediA is to be on Radio 4 on Tuesday - be nice to say we are
getting into 2nd gear

Thanks for the interest
Happy New Year!
Roger B

On 31 December 2011 09:25, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:

 I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources
 (although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better
 article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being
 interpreted?

 The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably
 not that significant for the town - would that be included?

 Rod


 The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to
 write local history about your local area (your local library will
 have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far
 more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a
 fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local
 Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for
 articles.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can
 have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..


HUGE WIN! What was the process of convincing them? That's definitely
one to duplicate!


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Harry Burt
Seconded - that's fantastic news!

Also, I might as well put it on record that I am more than happy to help
with any bot programming that might be of use during these sort of
initiatives. (I was reminded by the idea of scoring, having spent this
morning updating the WikiCup bot to a 2012 specification, but you name, I'd
be happy to contribute.)

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On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:45 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

  We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can
  have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..


 HUGE WIN! What was the process of convincing them? That's definitely
 one to duplicate!


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Andrew Gray
On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to
 link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]

In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some
point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right
After All, etc.)

 Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes
 Monmouth Castle - Go for it!
 There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be
 local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.

Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to
kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Roger Bamkin
Andrew G - type monmouthpedia in to wikipedia or
monmouthpedia.org into browser

There is the project page

@David Gerard - Thanks very much - the slides are at Monmouthpedia in
Slideshare. The argument goes -

   - we've done a museum, we can do your town
   - Monmouth societies publish things for their mums and mates - we'll
   give you thousands of readers
   - Google ranking - how does it work? ... Links.. what do we supply ...
   links
   - Why are you copyrighting your images - don't you want people to use
   them?
   - How much money are you making from your copyright protection excatly?
   - Can you find Monmouth Museum on a map in Spanish  why not?

Wikicup bot? Thats exactly what we need!!!

On 31 December 2011 12:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

  So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky
 to
  link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]

 In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some
 point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right
 After All, etc.)

  Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes
  Monmouth Castle - Go for it!
  There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may
 be
  local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.

 Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to
 kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Michael Peel

On 31 Dec 2011, at 11:32, Roger Bamkin wrote:

 We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can 
 have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011.. 

Is there a link here with Wikisource? Do they have digitized documents that 
could be hosted there? Or is there scope for a crowdsourced digitisation 
project here?

I've done a quick scout around Wikisource and archive.org to see what's there, 
but there isn't too much:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Monmouth
Mostly focused on Geoffrey of Monmouth. There's a book related to the [[Royal 
Monmouthshire Royal Engineers]] available on archive, which Richard might be 
interested in.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Roger Bamkin
Oh yes - Wikisource has stuff to load and the museum have offered 10,000
pictures for commons.

This is a Quid pro quo deal

Mike's stuff looks interesting. I also searched ODNB for Monmouth and
found so many with some tenuous connection to Monmouth under B that I
stopped looking. Lots of people went to school in Monmouth as there are two
posh schools there who trained people for the empire 100 years ago and
quite a few notables.

On 31 December 2011 13:47, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:


 On 31 Dec 2011, at 11:32, Roger Bamkin wrote:

  We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can
 have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011..

 Is there a link here with Wikisource? Do they have digitized documents
 that could be hosted there? Or is there scope for a crowdsourced
 digitisation project here?

 I've done a quick scout around Wikisource and archive.org to see what's
 there, but there isn't too much:
 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Monmouth
 Mostly focused on Geoffrey of Monmouth. There's a book related to the
 [[Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers]] available on archive, which Richard
 might be interested in.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Richard Symonds
The ship... is, sometimes. The most recent one is technically named for the
duke, although the previous five were named for the town. The current one
is also officially affiliated with the town.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Monmouthshire_Royal_Engineers is also
still, basically, a stub... would be nice to get it to GA!

Richard

On 31 December 2011 12:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 On 31 December 2011 11:32, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

  So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky
 to
  link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]

 In a slightly convoluted mode, I believe the ship is as well. (At some
 point in the past few centuries it was decided that he was All Right
 After All, etc.)

  Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes
  Monmouth Castle - Go for it!
  There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may
 be
  local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.

 Is there a WP Monmouth[shire]? If not, this may be a good idea to
 kickstart one - identify relevant articles, start projecttagging, etc.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Chris Keating
 Aah I thought it unusual that you'd name ships after an illigitamete
 traitorous Duke  although in time all is forgiven


Interestingly enough, one of the HMS Monmouths was quite treasonous as
well, taking part in the Nore Mutiny in 1797. Afterwards, while she was
sailing to battle at Camperdown, her new captain exhorted the crew to wash
the stain off your character with the blood of your foes.

Don't you love it when two outreach projects overlap? ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HMS_Monmouth_%281796%29action=historysubmitdiff=468751857oldid=463199366

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Rod Ward
Ø  Monmouth Castle - Go for it!

 

The castle article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouth_Castle has a bit
of an expansion – but could do with more from others.

I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the infobox so
it currently has the Wales map instead.

 

I also came across the article for the Great Castle House
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Castle_House) which hadn’t been tagged
for Monmouthpedia so there may be other relevant articles still to be
spotted.

 

Rod

 

From: Roger Bamkin [mailto:victuall...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 31 December 2011 11:33
To: r...@rodspace.co.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: john cummings
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

 

Great to see this interest! I also have editors ready to translate when we
have some improved articles.

We have the Archaeological Society signed up. They tell me that we can
have the lot - they are convinced that CC by SA beats (c) 2011.. 

I've included John on the list to make sure he knows and he can hopefully
forward the requests. I know its not very easy but it is possible.
 As far as interpretation goes. Derby Museum used the rule that if the
article had a link then it was relevant. So a bio of an artist who cad stuff
in [[Derby Museum]] was relevant

So I think the rebellion is named after the Duke of Monmouth - ie tricky to
link to [[Monmouth, Wales]]

John is looking for someone who can do some grome-ish stuff. He wants to
allow editors to claim points for writing articles. There is a proven system
at the GLAM/Derby page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby/Multilingual_Challenge .
Does someone fancy moving the important bits to the MonmouthpediA page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA  and zeroing
everything so we are ready to allow editors to claim points etc.???

Armoured Car, and Ship - Yes we should be able to link the QR codes
Monmouth Castle - Go for it! 
There are lots of ideas on MonmouthpediA pages. Some are people who may be
local to you in fame but born in Monmouth.

If we can make a new or 5x expanded article then I'll get it on DYK - has to
be done in 5 days

MonmouthpediA is to be on Radio 4 on Tuesday - be nice to say we are getting
into 2nd gear

Thanks for the interest
Happy New Year!
Roger B

On 31 December 2011 09:25, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:

I would agree about the difficulty of getting access to local sources
(although I might have a go at Monmouth Castle which deserves a better
article than it has got), but I wondered how broadly Monmouthpedia is being
interpreted?

The Monmouth Rebellion is relevant to my neck of the woods - but probably
not that significant for the town - would that be included?

Rod



The problem you hit rather quickly is that while it is fairly easy to
write local history about your local area (your local library will
have sources) writing local history about a more distant place is far
more difficult. Monmouth Archaeological Society also appears to have a
fairly limited set of publications which is a pity since local
Archaeological Societies are usually a fairly good of material for
articles.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 16:15, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:
 I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the infobox so
 it currently has the Wales map instead.

Fixed. The map is called Wales Monmouthshire rather than
Monmouthshire for some reason.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Roger Bamkin
[[HMS *Monmouth* (1796)]] is at Did You Know. Our 2nd! Its a tenuous link
to Monmouth, but its there. Thanks to Chris.

On 31 December 2011 16:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 31 December 2011 16:15, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:
  I did have a problem getting the Monmouthshire map to work in the
 infobox so
  it currently has the Wales map instead.

 Fixed. The map is called Wales Monmouthshire rather than
 Monmouthshire for some reason.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Charles Matthews
On 31 December 2011 13:57, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:


 I also searched ODNB for Monmouth and found so many with some tenuous
 connection to Monmouth under B that I stopped looking. Lots of people
 went to school in Monmouth as there are two posh schools there who trained
 people for the empire 100 years ago and quite a few notables.


 Monmouthshire in the ODNB full text is more reasonable - around 200 hits
and there are going to be fewer false positives in there. If someone can do
a list of missing related DNB biographies (edition by 1912 to be PD text)
then it could be posted to WP:WP DNB and we could have a look at it. This
would be a way to get something new up quickly.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Richard Symonds
I've just sent out an email to 15 supporters (ie, donors, current members
etc) who are from the Monmouth area. Hopefully we can get them involved too
- they'll be contacting John or i...@wikimedia.org.uk if they want to help.

Richard

On 31 December 2011 19:58, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
 wrote:



 On 31 December 2011 13:57, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:


 I also searched ODNB for Monmouth and found so many with some tenuous
 connection to Monmouth under B that I stopped looking. Lots of people
 went to school in Monmouth as there are two posh schools there who trained
 people for the empire 100 years ago and quite a few notables.


 Monmouthshire in the ODNB full text is more reasonable - around 200
 hits and there are going to be fewer false positives in there. If someone
 can do a list of missing related DNB biographies (edition by 1912 to be PD
 text) then it could be posted to WP:WP DNB and we could have a look at it.
 This would be a way to get something new up quickly.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Roger Bamkin
Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are its
on a map and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s Church.
AGF I think  you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 items at Derby
Museum and none were challenged on notability.

Roger.

On 31 December 2011 21:11, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 **


 I am slightly bugged about this. Local history, local geography, down to
 very small granularity was frowned upon in years past...

 Onwards and upward?

 Gordo





 On 30/12/2011 17:14, Roger Bamkin wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 I'm feeling good as I just had a press release from Monmouth County
 Council and I made the point that it was Wikimedia UK they were
 partnering with - a*nd we should be mentioned*. I agree that John
 Cummings comment is spot on. He isnt a Wikipedia old lag but quite a new
 Wikipedian. He is the only wikipedian as far as I know in Monmouth. We are
 going to try and pull off an amazing stunt of taking one Wikipedian and
 creating 1,000 QR codes in a town that has no other known editors. John
 cannot do this  Monmouth and Wikimedia UK can.

 Lots of coverage to day from The Next Web et al, BBC Wales Radio and TV
 and we're on Radio 4 next week. We also have promises of longer features.
 My own target is that we get a TV programme out of this. The story broke
 because John got a bit published in the Monmouth Beacon and the press ran
 with it. I'm not surprised, this a meme of an idea.

 The project has not been hidden but I guess it has not occupied much board
 time as the idea is so simple and everyone I've spoklen to just says got
 it  lets do it. The only investment so far has been persuading the
 town that they want to do it. and we have had no one say No, nearly
 everyone has said yes ... how can we help. We have had a few who wanted
 to think about it, but we made it clear that this wasn't an option. We
 already have a university, several societies, 2/3 museums, councillors and
 civic societies etc committed. Initial funding is agreed.

 This is a great chance for Wikimedia UK to show what it can do. It would
 be great if some of our members searched out some Monmouth articles or
 looked at the Monmouthpedia project pages and started helping.* I would
 request however that people resist giving a quick lesson in what you are
 doing wrong to a newbie until we have helped them four of five times. *

 Anybody got some time to assist? It would be great to demonstrate how we
 collaborate to create something better then any of us can do alone.

 I'm (desperately) hoping someone surprises me
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 On 30 December 2011 16:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-16359364

 I've just seen this article. I'd somehow missed this is the planning
 stages (I was vaguely aware of some discussion about qr codes, but hadn't
 realised anything had progressed this far) - it looks like a great idea.

 It's a good article too, I particularly like the quote from John about
 being told he should implement his idea himself - that's exactly the
 attitude wmuk should have and we should make everyone aware of that.

 The only thing I don't like about the article is that it makes it sound
 like a Wikipedia project, rather than a Wikimedia UK project. It's not a
 big deal, but we should try and get the chapter's role more emphasis.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread Gordon Joly
On 31/12/2011 21:20, Roger Bamkin wrote:
 Notability is still an issue Gordon. However the rules for places are 
 its on a map and we will do histioric buildings but not every 1960s 
 Church. AGF I think  you will be surprised. We pulled out 100 
 items at Derby Museum and none were challenged on notability.

 Roger.
OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from London (UK)? As a 
project?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia

2011-12-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2011 21:54, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 OK. Sure. So why is Monmouth so different from London (UK)? As a
 project?


Work down to the borough level. Walthamstow has an active historical
society, for instance, who have churned out reams of highly citable
text. Start at the local library and local museums and work outwards.


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