Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 17/05/12 15:12, Stevie Benton wrote: I'm sure you all know about Monmouthpedia by now. Yes, indeed. I wonder if you extrapolated forwards, how big or how small a thing has to be before it received attention in the English Wikipedia. As Wikipedia expands, articles and projects might be created for smaller and smaller units. That is a country article, a region article, a town article, a street article, and finally a street address article. Will every address (32 million I believe) in the UK have an article in Wikipedia? Probably not. My example is absurd, of course. But my question is what is the granularity of articles? Some places, buildings, streets are merged and some stand on their own. Some are deleted since they do not meet the current standards for significance. BTW, I live here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansbury_Estate hence, a place with great significance? :-) Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18 May 2012 08:59, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 17/05/12 15:12, Stevie Benton wrote: BTW, I live here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansbury_Estate hence, a place with great significance? Seems like a nice article with some interesting facts. I learned my lesson on this one by debating the notability of teeny hamlets in France with just a couple of houses. Yes, they are all notable regardless of actual notability, or decent sources for that matter. PS I can't see where you declared your conflict of interest. ;-) Fae ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18/05/12 09:06, Fae wrote: PS I can't see where you declared your conflict of interest.;-) Thank you for reminding me. http://www.lansburyvoices.org.uk/wiki/ http://www.lansburyvoices.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
I think thats one of the things we are finding out. So far we have lost three articles to non-notability. Some others may be merged in time. But its not lack of articles. There is an open invite to help today and to just attend the celebrations tomorrow. I can't get over walking around a town that has 60 banners saying its working with Wikimedia UK. Press coverage at 3 tomorrow in the Shire Hall, but come and try some of the Wikipedia trails around the town and marvel at the Welcome to Monmouth signs saying Worlds First Wikipedia Town. Hope to see you tomorrow. On 18 May 2012 08:59, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 17/05/12 15:12, Stevie Benton wrote: I'm sure you all know about Monmouthpedia by now. Yes, indeed. I wonder if you extrapolated forwards, how big or how small a thing has to be before it received attention in the English Wikipedia. As Wikipedia expands, articles and projects might be created for smaller and smaller units. That is a country article, a region article, a town article, a street article, and finally a street address article. Will every address (32 million I believe) in the UK have an article in Wikipedia? Probably not. My example is absurd, of course. But my question is what is the granularity of articles? Some places, buildings, streets are merged and some stand on their own. Some are deleted since they do not meet the current standards for significance. BTW, I live here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lansbury_Estate hence, a place with great significance? :-) Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18 May 2012 08:59, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: . But my question is what is the granularity of articles? Some places, buildings, streets are merged and some stand on their own. Some are deleted since they do not meet the current standards for significance. But that's how it works. Because people get het up in discussions, it tends to be forgotten that a deletion is only supposed to have effect for 6 months. The truth is that good sources are published all the time; and it is very significant for the work we do that more information is constantly being posted online. The simplistic theory is that we simply digest all the sources that are worth it into WP; and proponents of more sophisticated theories need to remember that sophistication has a downside built into the meaning. In any case WP is dynamic, and when it ceases to be is when we really should start to worry. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Visiting Monmouth on Saturday
I'll be in Monmouth for the first time on Saturday, and look forward to meeting those of you who can make it. When and where should I present myself? Is there a programme for the day? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18 May 2012 12:12, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 18 May 2012 08:59, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: . But my question is what is the granularity of articles? Some places, buildings, streets are merged and some stand on their own. Some are deleted since they do not meet the current standards for significance. But that's how it works. Because people get het up in discussions, it tends to be forgotten that a deletion is only supposed to have effect for 6 months. A deletion has effect for as long as concensus remains the same. There are some vague guidelines on how long to wait between deletion debates, but if there is a good reason to think consensus will have changed (eg. due to new sources being published), then I'm not aware of any rules saying you have to wait 6 months before you can re-create the article. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18 May 2012 09:22, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: So far we have lost three articles to non-notability. Which articles? Were any attempts made to rescue them? Did they go through Articles for Deletion debates, or were they speedily deleted or PRODed? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Visiting Monmouth on Saturday
I will be in either the library or the Shire Hall all day (probably wearing a bright yellow Monmouthpedia t-shirt!), running drop-in sessions teaching people how to edit. I probably won't be more than 100 yards from the Shire Hall between now and tomorrow evening so I'll be easy to find (I'll also try to make sure the receptionist at the Shire Hall knows where I am). The Shire Hall is right in the centre of Monmouth - you can't really miss it! Harry From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012, 12:24 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Visiting Monmouth on Saturday I'll be in Monmouth for the first time on Saturday, and look forward to meeting those of you who can make it. When and where should I present myself? Is there a programme for the day? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 18 May 2012 12:31, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 18 May 2012 09:22, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: So far we have lost three articles to non-notability. Which articles? Were any attempts made to rescue them? Did they go through Articles for Deletion debates, or were they speedily deleted or PRODed? Given the enormous number of articles written, I would have been very suprised if they had all survived - notability can be quite a subjective issue, so there isn't always going to be agreement between article creators and the community. I assume that statistic of 3 articles is for the English Wikipedia? Does anyone know what the survival rate is for other language Wikipedias? Particularly Welsh? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
Train to Newport then taxi is the simplest way from London. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. 07976 935 986 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
Best way is a train to Newport, then a taxi or bus from there... Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On May 18, 2012 12:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
Welsh is much higher - it might even be 100 PC. Most all of the Welsh community support this, including most admins and a crat, I believe Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On May 18, 2012 12:34 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 May 2012 12:31, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 18 May 2012 09:22, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: So far we have lost three articles to non-notability. Which articles? Were any attempts made to rescue them? Did they go through Articles for Deletion debates, or were they speedily deleted or PRODed? Given the enormous number of articles written, I would have been very suprised if they had all survived - notability can be quite a subjective issue, so there isn't always going to be agreement between article creators and the community. I assume that statistic of 3 articles is for the English Wikipedia? Does anyone know what the survival rate is for other language Wikipedias? Particularly Welsh? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
I was involved as in editor in some at least of those deletion discussions. One was of a (deplorable) statue affixed to the Shire Hall, which it was thought would be better placed within the Shire Hall article itself, and another was/is of a single shop (started by an editor who was the shop founder's grandson, I think), which was merged into an article about the street where it is located. The other may be an article about a single tree - not sure whether that article still exists. The interesting point is that all the discussions have been resolved between local (or at least UK) editors, rather than Randy from Boise complaining that they are non-notable. But, it's almost inherent in a locally-based initiative like this, involving new editors, that there will be some discussion - I think it's all been pretty amicable though. Some of the articles though do stretch the boundaries of what some of us consider to be notable (I've caught myself referring to bog standard Grade II listed buildings, for instance). ghmyrtle Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:34:35 +0100 From: thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far On 18 May 2012 12:31, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 18 May 2012 09:22, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote: So far we have lost three articles to non-notability. Which articles? Were any attempts made to rescue them? Did they go through Articles for Deletion debates, or were they speedily deleted or PRODed? Given the enormous number of articles written, I would have been very suprised if they had all survived - notability can be quite a subjective issue, so there isn't always going to be agreement between article creators and the community. I assume that statistic of 3 articles is for the English Wikipedia? Does anyone know what the survival rate is for other language Wikipedias? Particularly Welsh? ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
Abergavenny or Hereford may be alternative options, with railway stations. There are reasonable bus services from both, and from Newport, I think. Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:55:39 +0100 From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth? Best way is a train to Newport, then a taxi or bus from there... Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On May 18, 2012 12:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
On 17 May 2012 15:12, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We're starting to pick up some press coverage There's been quite a lot of social media coverage, too - do we have any tools for measuring this? Yesterday, @JackSchofield (late of the Guardian, 19,744 followers) retweeted my comment about Monmouthpedia, and @BBCClick (1,970,737 followers!) have just done likewise. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
Thanks everyone! On 18 May 2012 13:00, Guy Hamilton ghmyr...@hotmail.com wrote: Abergavenny or Hereford may be alternative options, with railway stations. There are reasonable bus services from both, and from Newport, I think. Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:55:39 +0100 From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth? Best way is a train to Newport, then a taxi or bus from there... Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On May 18, 2012 12:51 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Lift offered: Birmingham - Monmouth
I should have said; I can offer lifts from North Birmingham-Monmouth on Saturday, or pick up en route. Share costs. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] How do I get to Monmouth?
Obviously most welcome. If I had to do it then I'd find 3 mates and hire a car On 18 May 2012 12:50, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to decide if I'm going to head over to Monmouth tomorrow, but I can't seem to find any instructions on how to get there... Wikipedia says it doesn't have a train station any more, so what is the recommended way to get from London to Monmouth? It may well be that there are instructions somewhere that I've missed - if so, can someone give me a link? Thanks! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Monmouthpedia - press coverage so far
Hi Andy, I think our very own Steve Virgin is an expert in this field... Cheers, Stevie On 18/05/2012 13:10, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 17 May 2012 15:12, Stevie Bentonstevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We're starting to pick up some press coverage There's been quite a lot of social media coverage, too - do we have any tools for measuring this? Yesterday, @JackSchofield (late of the Guardian, 19,744 followers) retweeted my comment about Monmouthpedia, and @BBCClick (1,970,737 followers!) have just done likewise. -- Stevie Benton Communications Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] OpenDomesday links
On 16/05/2012 14:16, Andy Mabbett wrote: If you curate an en.Wikipedia page about place in the UK, and it appeared in the Domesday Book, please add the OpenDomesday template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:OpenDomesday to the external links section. Domesday names a total of 13,418 places. - [[Domesday Book]] Yeah, this is going to take a while KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] OpenDomesday links
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 16 May 2012 17:24, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 May 2012 17:13, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Cool. How are you sourcing entries? It's nasty and weak, I'm only picking up image pages that mention Domesday Book. Luckily this seems to be quite a few, but in no way will be exhaustive or guaranteed to be fully accurate. NB that Domesday survey also works. (Not a synonym! Interesting but off-topic here.) Note that WIkisource has a portal for the survey, with scans https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Domesday_survey#Victoria_County_History e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:VCH_Bedfordshire_1.djvu/245 -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
