[Wikimediauk-l] London pub meetups, November and December 2012
4th Birthday bash, with cake? See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/63 December meeting - note change of pub! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/64 * There has been a lot of talk about the pros and cons of Penderel's Oak, so in December 2012, we will try Shakespeare's Head (that is a scheduled and pre-announced change of venue). Both pubs are Wetherspoons and are a few minutes walk from Holborn Tube Station. Neither of the meetings appear for me on geonotices! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
On 23 October 2012 16:19, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Advisory board? Why? Why not just put petrol on the flames? A charity that is as small as Wikimedia U.K. has no need of more dimensions of governance... An advisory board is conventionally advisory, per the name: they're there to ask things and to occasionally speak up. They're not part of the governance as such. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013: Where will you be travelling from?
Hello All, Thanks to everyone who has responded so far! We currently have 20 responses, which is not an insignificant portion of the attendees! I have begun compiling stats based on the replies so far. If you still have not answered the survey please do so ASAP so I can collate the results. Tom On 18 October 2012 11:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: To help inform the decision over the location of the 2013 WikiConference please could you take a moment to fill out the following survey! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?fromEmail=trueformkey=dHVpU2E1VjJfVmtaTkZldFNxSTY5N1E6MQ Cheers, Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
On 23/10/12 16:26, David Gerard wrote: On 23 October 2012 16:19, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Advisory board? Why? Why not just put petrol on the flames? A charity that is as small as Wikimedia U.K. has no need of more dimensions of governance... An advisory board is conventionally advisory, per the name: they're there to ask things and to occasionally speak up. They're not part of the governance as such. - d. So, what is the point? The Advisory Board can be ignored, as and when. The issue reminds of why I favour the CIC model, with a group of stakeholders to hold the main board to account. Likewise, NHS Foundation Trusts with a membership and a Council of Governors. No gift aid with CICS. http://www.bis.gov.uk/cicregulator/ *** Community Interest Companies (CICS) are limited companies, with special additional features, created for the use of people who want to conduct a business or other activity for community benefit, and not purely for private advantage. This is achieved by a community interest test and asset lock, which ensure that the CIC is established for community purposes and the assets and profits are dedicated to these purposes. Registration of a company as a CIC has to be approved by the Regulator who also has a continuing monitoring and enforcement role. *** Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
What do you want to ask the charity commission? I think the guidance is pretty clear. You just need to have it written down somewhere what their role is and what authority they have (ie. none). What is the difference between the CIC approach and our approach of having members that hold the board to account? On Oct 23, 2012 5:22 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 23/10/12 16:26, David Gerard wrote: On 23 October 2012 16:19, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: Advisory board? Why? Why not just put petrol on the flames? A charity that is as small as Wikimedia U.K. has no need of more dimensions of governance... An advisory board is conventionally advisory, per the name: they're there to ask things and to occasionally speak up. They're not part of the governance as such. - d. So, what is the point? The Advisory Board can be ignored, as and when. The issue reminds of why I favour the CIC model, with a group of stakeholders to hold the main board to account. Likewise, NHS Foundation Trusts with a membership and a Council of Governors. No gift aid with CICS. http://www.bis.gov.uk/**cicregulator/http://www.bis.gov.uk/cicregulator/ *** Community Interest Companies (CICS) are limited companies, with special additional features, created for the use of people who want to conduct a business or other activity for community benefit, and not purely for private advantage. This is achieved by a community interest test and asset lock, which ensure that the CIC is established for community purposes and the assets and profits are dedicated to these purposes. Registration of a company as a CIC has to be approved by the Regulator who also has a continuing monitoring and enforcement role. *** Gordo __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile uk.wikimedia.org still failing
It appears that this is still an issue. On 5 October 2012 12:57, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have just chased this up with the WMF. Thanks for reminding me Andy! On 5 October 2012 12:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's difficult to promote events like: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass when mobile visits to that URL are redirected to: http://uk.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass and errors are returned for all http://uk.m.wikimedia.org pages. I know this has been raised on this mailing list previously, but there's still no sign of a fix. The impact of this problem can be understood by considering that yesterday it was reported that 40% of Wikipedia's growth is mobile, versus 4% desktop. Can this serious bug be (re-)escalated as a matter of urgency, please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile uk.wikimedia.org still failing
I'm still having problems too. Stevie On Oct 23, 2012 7:09 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It appears that this is still an issue. On 5 October 2012 12:57, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have just chased this up with the WMF. Thanks for reminding me Andy! On 5 October 2012 12:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's difficult to promote events like: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass when mobile visits to that URL are redirected to: http://uk.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass and errors are returned for all http://uk.m.wikimedia.org pages. I know this has been raised on this mailing list previously, but there's still no sign of a fix. The impact of this problem can be understood by considering that yesterday it was reported that 40% of Wikipedia's growth is mobile, versus 4% desktop. Can this serious bug be (re-)escalated as a matter of urgency, please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile uk.wikimedia.org still failing
I think this issue affects all *.wikimedia.org addresses (at least the ones of chapters hosted by the WMF); a workaround is to change the user-agent setting in your mobile browser, if possible. Best regards, Bence On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I'm still having problems too. Stevie On Oct 23, 2012 7:09 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It appears that this is still an issue. On 5 October 2012 12:57, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have just chased this up with the WMF. Thanks for reminding me Andy! On 5 October 2012 12:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's difficult to promote events like: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass when mobile visits to that URL are redirected to: http://uk.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass and errors are returned for all http://uk.m.wikimedia.org pages. I know this has been raised on this mailing list previously, but there's still no sign of a fix. The impact of this problem can be understood by considering that yesterday it was reported that 40% of Wikipedia's growth is mobile, versus 4% desktop. Can this serious bug be (re-)escalated as a matter of urgency, please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Damokos Bence ügyvezető alelnök, Wikimédia Magyarország http://wikimedia.hu http://wiki.media.hu/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
On 23/10/12 17:45, Thomas Dalton wrote: What do you want to ask the charity commission? I think the guidance is pretty clear. You just need to have it written down somewhere what their role is and what authority they have (ie. none). I would ask them, given the current age of the charity, the budget, the relationships with stakeholders, the number of staff, the relationship with the Foundation, recent resignations, the work balance between Trustees and staff would an advisory board be of positive benefit. What is the difference between the CIC approach and our approach of having members that hold the board to account? Members of charities exercise their choices at AGMs and EGMs. Stakeholder groups for CICS might meet on a regular basis (e.g. quarterly?). Scrutiny roles can be defined in various ways, like the CIC model. Housing associations (all registered providers of housing) used to be subject to (tenant) scrutiny, before the TSA was abolished! http://www.homesandcommunities.co.uk/tsa-archive My housing association dumped all scrutiny functions as fast as they could when the legislation changed. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
On Oct 23, 2012 10:23 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 23/10/12 17:45, Thomas Dalton wrote: What do you want to ask the charity commission? I think the guidance is pretty clear. You just need to have it written down somewhere what their role is and what authority they have (ie. none). I would ask them, given the current age of the charity, the budget, the relationships with stakeholders, the number of staff, the relationship with the Foundation, recent resignations, the work balance between Trustees and staff would an advisory board be of positive benefit. That's not something they will be able to answer from just a phone call. That's pretty complicated advice, which isn't something the charity commission's helpline can give. They would need to know a lot about the charity to know what would and wouldn't be appropriate for us. What is the difference between the CIC approach and our approach of having members that hold the board to account? Members of charities exercise their choices at AGMs and EGMs. Stakeholder groups for CICS might meet on a regular basis (e.g. quarterly?). Scrutiny roles can be defined in various ways, like the CIC model. Housing associations (all registered providers of housing) used to be subject to (tenant) scrutiny, before the TSA was abolished! We could have quarterly general meetings if we wanted to. We don't need to change legal structure for that. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Having an advisory board
On 23/10/12 22:31, Thomas Dalton wrote: We could have quarterly general meetings if we wanted to. We don't need to change legal structure for that. But stakeholder groups in CICS can be a subset of the membership, I believe. The CIC decides at the start how to run the stakeholder function. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mobile uk.wikimedia.org still failing
I've raised this on bugzilla at: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41334 Please add any clarifying comments there that you think would be useful. Thanks, Mike On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:46, Damokos Bence damokos.be...@wikimedia.hu wrote: I think this issue affects all *.wikimedia.org addresses (at least the ones of chapters hosted by the WMF); a workaround is to change the user-agent setting in your mobile browser, if possible. Best regards, Bence On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I'm still having problems too. Stevie On Oct 23, 2012 7:09 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It appears that this is still an issue. On 5 October 2012 12:57, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have just chased this up with the WMF. Thanks for reminding me Andy! On 5 October 2012 12:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's difficult to promote events like: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass when mobile visits to that URL are redirected to: http://uk.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/RBSA_Backstage_Pass and errors are returned for all http://uk.m.wikimedia.org pages. I know this has been raised on this mailing list previously, but there's still no sign of a fix. The impact of this problem can be understood by considering that yesterday it was reported that 40% of Wikipedia's growth is mobile, versus 4% desktop. Can this serious bug be (re-)escalated as a matter of urgency, please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Damokos Bence ügyvezető alelnök, Wikimédia Magyarország http://wikimedia.hu ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
