[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [VereinDE-l] Jahresbericht 2016 von Wikimedia Deutschland: jetzt auch als Website

[rupert THURNER]

Fyi how wmde presents its year, a mobile friendly website.

Rupert

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From: "Abraham Taherivand" 
Date: May 31, 2017 5:01 PM
Subject: [VereinDE-l] Jahresbericht 2016 von Wikimedia Deutschland: jetzt
auch als Website
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Liebe Freunde des Freien Wissens,
>
> jedes Jahr veröffentlicht Wikimedia Deutschland einen Jahresbericht, in dem
> ein Überblick der Arbeit des Vorjahres gegeben wird sowie Einblick in
> unsere Finanzen. Erstmals steht dieses Jahr ab sofort nicht nur der
> gedruckte Bericht und ein PDF zur Verfügung, sondern ein Online-Bericht,
> der wie eine eigene Website funktioniert. Wir haben das gemacht, damit je
> nach Interesse einzelne Themen und Berichtsteile einfach gefunden und
> gelesen werden können. Die Ansicht ist auch für Mobilgeräte optimiert. Wer
> mag, kann sich auch in Bus und Bahn oder anderswo über Wikimedia
> informieren.
>
> Kurz, ich freue mich, den Jahresbericht 2016 hier mit euch teilen zu
> können:
>
> * https://2016.wikimedia.de/
>
> Auf das was im Bericht steht, werde ich genauer unter anderem auf der
> kommenden Mitgliederversammlung des Vereins in Bamberg eingehen. Nicht
> vergessen, 17. Juni 2017![1]
>
> Mit besten Grüßen
>
> Abraham Taherivand
>
>
> P. S. Wer dennoch ein PDF braucht, zum Beispiel zum Ausdrucken, findet hier
> die Alternative:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/
> Jahresbericht_Wikimedia_Deutschland_2016.pdf
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia Commons question

[rupert THURNER]

nice try :) todays picture of the day has author Taxiarchos228, google
for "abmahnfalle" and you'll find his name sojka. such pictures were
used in the past as cease and deseasy honey pot. it has art libre
license, and the tool does not work with it:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_-_Messe_Berlin2.jpg

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Raya Sharbain  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Wikimedia Germany developed a tool that determines the license information
> of Commons items and makes it more user-friendly to determine how you can
> use the item (e.g. how to attribute, in which context you can use a
> particular item in, etc.): https://lizenzhinweisgenerator.de/?lang=en
>
> Original blog post:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/03/17/digest-attribution-generator/
>
> Hope it's relevant to what you're looking for!
>
> Raya
> On 24 March 2017 at 14:38, Harry Mitchell  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Using images from Commons is a lot like using information from Wikipedia -
>> it requires due diligence and you sometimes have to apply healthy
>> scepticism, though this can be complicated by the varying copyright laws of
>> different countries. Commons is hosted in the United States, so it usually
>> defaults to American copyright law, which is often more liberal than British
>> law (Chris mentions the "sweat of brow" doctrine, for example).
>>
>> For obvious cases, like a photograph of a building or a statue uploaded by
>> the photographer themselves, you're usually safe. (I've been writing about
>> war memorials lately and sometimes you get really lucky and find a
>> professional-quality photograph that someone has uploaded to Commons). Less
>> obvious cases will depend on your knowledge of copyright.
>>
>>
>> Harry Mitchell
>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971
>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> You certainly could have a more nuanced policy, and use more images as a
>>> result!
>>>
>>> I'd guess the reasons you might be cautious are:
>>> - Commons has a good number of files it that are in the public domain in
>>> the US, but may not be in the UK (assuming that public domain-UK is
>>> sufficient for the BBC to make use of something)
>>> - Commons also has a good number of files which we believe are public
>>> domain (at least in the US) but where someone still asserts copyright from
>>> "sweat of the brow" rights (this set overlapping with the previous one a
>>> fair bit)
>>> - Some images might simply have been mis-attributed by whoever uploaded
>>> them to Commons and are actually in copyright (probably a much smaller group
>>> than the first 2)
>>>
>>> Of course, these kinds of issues aren't unique to Wikimedia Commons, any
>>> open image source could have the same problems - so if you are taking PD
>>> images from Flickr or elsewhere on the Internet, then you shouldn't have a
>>> blanket bank on Wikimedia Commons!
>>>
>>> Paid photography sources potentially have the opposite problem, in that
>>> you  can end up paying royalties for images that you think actually are in
>>> the public domain.
>>>
>>> As Charles says, it's usually possible to come to an informed judgement
>>> based on what the Commons page for a given file says, but this needs a
>>> reasonable level of awareness of copyright law. I'm not sure if there is any
>>> kind of "user-friendly" summary at the minute, but there probably should be
>>> - I'm asking around...
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Steve Bowbrick
>>>  wrote:

 Hi all,

 Very occasional post from a long-time subscriber here!

 I run social media for the BBC's speech and classical radio stations and
 for some of the BBC's classical brands (orchestras, Proms etc.).

 We have a constant need for images. We use the usual mixed bag of
 sources: commercial picture libraries, the BBC archive, commissioned 
 photos,
 some public domain and cc sources.

 We have a pretty cast-iron rule forbidding the use of Wikimedia Commons
 images. Historically, we've felt that there was sufficient uncertainty 
 about
 the ownership of some Commons images that it would be safest for us to 
 steer
 clear all together (sometimes, for instance, we find images in commercial
 libraries like Hulton Getty that are also in the Commons and this creates
 the kind of doubt about ownership that stops us from using them).

 So, in the interests of updating my knowledge (and possibly our policy),
 is there any up-to-date advice for organisations like the BBC about the 
 safe
 usage of content from the Wikimedia Commons? Should we rely on Commons
 images more often? Is there any guidance for how to judge the ownership of 
 a
 Commons image reliably? And what's 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia developers discussion

[rupert THURNER]

There are a couple of open source alternatives popping up besides irc, one
of them rocket.chat.

Rupert

On Jan 16, 2017 6:29 PM, "John Lubbock" 
wrote:

> I actually tried to encourage people through here to use IRC a number of
> months ago but didn't detect much enthusiasm for it. Slack is much easier
> and more user friendly.
>
> On 16 January 2017 at 17:18, Edward Saperia  wrote:
>
>> The closest equivalent is IRC, I guess. However, it's a barrier to entry.
>>
>> See also http://xkcd.com/1782/
>>
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>> On 16 January 2017 at 17:13, Richard Nevell <
>> richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there an open source version of slack?
>>>
>>> On 16 January 2017 at 15:59, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>>

 >>Why are we not on an Open Source platform?<<

 http://wikidevsuk.slack.com

 I did ask this question a while back on SLACK

 Is there a good answer?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia IE] Bylaws Consultation-2 weeks left

[rupert THURNER]

Hi Shannon,

Many thanks for the answers! How many members do you expect and what would
be an inclusive membership fee? At Wmch it proved impossible to change
later on to the price of a couple of beers a year. As the ones there are
prepared to pay and do not see so much benefit in lowering. At the end of
the day the number of active members determine the funding through fdc et
al. And people rich in time often are not rich in money.

Rupert
On Nov 24, 2015 12:53, "Wikimedia Ireland" <wikimediairel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Rupert,
>
>   Thank you for your comments. I will attempt to address all of them.
>
> Membership fee-This was addressed on the discussion page
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Community_Ireland_Bylaws>.
> The amount of €1200 is the *maximum*. We have not decided on a membership
> fee as of yet, but we will strive to make it inculsive.
>
> Excluding members-this was purposely made difficult. We are a small
> country with a correspondingly small member base. We don't want minor
> disagreements derailing the group.
>
> Re-election to board-again, due to our small size this is the best way to
> ensure we have a consistent board. If we grow large enough, this can be
> amended in the future.
>
> Board member/employee-again, due to our small size at the moment this
> accommodation was made. As we grow, it can be amended.
>
> I hope this answers all your concerns. Please feel free to contact us
> again with any further concerns, or ideally put them on the bylaws
> discussion page.
>
> Cheers,
> Shannon Eichelberger, Chair
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I d find the following a little challenging if I understand the text
>> correctly :
>>
>> art 5 suggests one cannot be member easy by paying membership fee.
>>
>> If such a high membership fee is voted for there is some risk to become a
>> rather elitarian club disconnected from volunteers usually not prepared to
>> pay a huge sum additional to donating their free time.
>>
>> Excluding members is rather difficult.
>>
>> There is no restriction on number of reelection to the board.
>>
>> It seems to be OK to be on the board and employed
>>
>> Rupert
>> On 23/11/15 02:41, Michael Peel wrote:
>> >
>> > Wikimedia Ireland are currently working on writing their bylaws - see
>> > below. Although Irish law is, of course, different from UK law, I'm
>> > forwarding this in case anyone here has the time and interest to have a
>> > look through and give them some helpful suggestions.
>> >
>>
>> ARTICLE 1
>>
>> The association is called "Wikimedia Ireland". Alternative names are
>> "Wikimedia IE" or the abbreviations "WM IE", "WMIE", and these
>> translated names "Wikimedia Éireann"
>>
>> 
>>
>> Looks like they are on the case, and will not need to change their (cf.
>> WMUK)
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia IE] Bylaws Consultation-2 weeks left

[rupert THURNER]

I d find the following a little challenging if I understand the text
correctly :

art 5 suggests one cannot be member easy by paying membership fee.

If such a high membership fee is voted for there is some risk to become a
rather elitarian club disconnected from volunteers usually not prepared to
pay a huge sum additional to donating their free time.

Excluding members is rather difficult.

There is no restriction on number of reelection to the board.

It seems to be OK to be on the board and employed

Rupert
On 23/11/15 02:41, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> Wikimedia Ireland are currently working on writing their bylaws - see
> below. Although Irish law is, of course, different from UK law, I'm
> forwarding this in case anyone here has the time and interest to have a
> look through and give them some helpful suggestions.
>

ARTICLE 1

The association is called "Wikimedia Ireland". Alternative names are
"Wikimedia IE" or the abbreviations "WM IE", "WMIE", and these
translated names "Wikimedia Éireann"



Looks like they are on the case, and will not need to change their (cf.
WMUK)

Gordo


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] New Chief Executive starts today

[rupert THURNER]

hi richard,

what is lucys wikipedia account?

rupert


On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> All,
>
> A short announcement: our Interrim Chief Executive (D'Arcy Myers) has now
> left us, please remember to update your address books to our new Chief
> Executive, Lucy Crompton-Reid . She
> started today, but is still catching up on things, so bear in mind that she
> might be a little slow in replying to any emails.
>
> You can read more about Lucy here:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2015/07/welcoming-lucy-crompton-reid-as-new-ceo-of-wikimedia-uk/
>
> All the best,
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] New candidates

[rupert THURNER]

An interesting read. What surprised a little that nobody added his
Wikipedia account?

Rupert
On Jul 6, 2015 5:20 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 There have been a few new candidates put themselves forward for the AGM
 elections today. You can read their statements at
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2015_AGM/Elections/Statements. You can also
 ask them questions at
 https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2015_AGM/Elections/Questions.

 All the best,

 Richard Symonds
 Wikimedia UK
 0207 065 0992

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

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What are your most important KPIs?

Rupert

On Mar 6, 2015 12:08 PM, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 It would be something to welcome if that activity had moved elsewhere,
but as far as I can tell activity on the wiki is in decline as well.

 Not to worry, though - as long as we're meeting our meaningless KPIs I'm
sure the FDC won't notice. Oh wait... Well, it's a good job we had that
get-together last weekend so that the board could (pretend to) listen to
the community's thoughts. Oh, wait... Well it's a good job WMUK has
independent revenue streams. Oh, wait... Well, it's a good job we've still
got those 200-odd volunteers from last year's Wikimania, they should help
us tick some boxes for our KPIs. Oh wait...

 Never mind, though. As long as the board keep their heads in the sand
it'll all be all right.

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

 
 From: Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Friday, 6 March 2015, 10:09
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

 On 06/03/15 10:01, Gordon Joly wrote:
  On 27/02/15 12:23, Tom Morris wrote:
  Less mailing list activity should be something we welcome rather than
  worry about.
 
 
  I am old school. I started nattering on the net in 1980, so old habits
  die hard (Usenet, Spuddy, WSMR, etc).
 
  Gordo
 
 



 The wiki works better than email for content (examples, issues,
 brainstorms etc.) for numerous reasons.


 Brainstorms?

 I rest my case.




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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Armenian wiki video

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Two other possibilities:
1. Drop a private mail to jon
2. Send the link yourself, as enock did when this happened to me a week ago

Fae, you seem to have a tendency to reply yes to the question you ve got
a watch, instead of telling the time, hehe.

Imo dealing with imperfection is one of the most important properties of
humans and their communication ... The world does not end with weitzenbaum
s eliza :)

Rupert
Am 13.04.2014 09:45 schrieb Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 No, I don't get it.

 Can someone please highlight exactly how this statement is unacceptably
 rude?
 If you are going to repost emails to this list, please ensure you
 include the relevant content.

 Fae

 On 13 April 2014 08:36, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  Hello all,
 
  I feel that as a list moderator I should step in and say that, for a
 second
  there, the tone of this list dropped needlessly. Fae, your email came
 across
  as rude: whether you meant it or not, that's how it came across.
 
  The main reason that this mailing list isn't much used by the general
  editing population is in my experience because the tone is hostile. That
 has
  to change if this list is to stay relevant and at the heart of the
 chapter
  and the UK movement. I accept that sometimes in real life hostility
 might be
  necessary in order to accomplish a goal, but I don't think that such a
 rule
  holds true on an internet mailing list.
 
  A reminder to us all (myself included) to put an extra bit of effort into
  being polite on the Internet. I don't want to stifle debate, and there's
 no
  problem with bad language if it's used to emphasise a point, but we can
 at
  least keep a friendly face on most emails.
 
  Complaints or comments should be addressed to the list moderators at
  wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-GH] My Wikimedia Commons photo used by Forbes

[rupert THURNER]

Fyi, foto made by sandi tei, wikimedia ghana, used by Forbes.

-- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
Von: Sandister Tei sandister...@gmail.com
Datum: 05.04.2014 13:42
Betreff: [Wikimedia-GH] My Wikimedia Commons photo used by Forbes
An: Planning Wikimedia Ghana Chapter wikimedia...@lists.wikimedia.org

Find the article here.

Regards,
Sandister Tei
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Cardiff University
JOMEC -- International Journalism
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BritishBlackMusic.com

[rupert THURNER]

Hi mike,

many of us experienced and still experience challenges with community
outreach in regions where digital literacy is not the same level known from
home. But the ones there in the beginning of wikipedia know how long it
took to get all the rules in place. People had a chance to influence the
rules and grow with them.

Today is a completely different beast. While the wikimedia beginners
attitude did not change, there are numerous people facing the newbies with
so much experience, and there are paid persons beeing able to dedicate all
their attention to special cases, and shut new people down or out. Its good
that these people do exist, as long this growing into it, imperfections
allowed.

Therefor this was imo handled properly. Because wmuk is now the second
chapter and community supporting the Ghana movement. Because the support
did not patronize the Ghana community but was on an advisory level, letting
the people there grow and see for themselves. Actively involve the Ghana
community might have been better than trusting some of them are subscribed
to the wmuk list though. But too much perfection has two undesirable
effects: it gives no chance to learn.  And it demoralizes volunteers which
we than loose forever.

Up to now the Ghana community has been exemplary imo. In the years i
participated a little in the discussions i saw A good feeling for what is
important: edit or write software. A good feeling for conflicts of
interest. A good feeling for usage of money. A nicely implemented strategy
to slowly grow, involving different and new persons on the way. I saw
things which i d handled differently, but hey, it is their community, and
they need to be happy in it.

You can be pretty sure that this involvement is another cornerstone in the
experience Ghana wikimedia people make, and will put to use later on.

So, wmuk, do it again, many thanks for this involvement.

Rupert
Am 01.04.2014 00:04 schrieb Michael Peel michael.p...@manchester.ac.uk:

 This strikes me as an excuse rather than a reason. Fæ's questions/points
 here don't seem to have been answered. :-(

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 31 Mar 2014, at 08:10, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  Apologies for delay in replying but I have been away.
 
  As previously stated our relationship as a chapter in this isntance is
 with Kwaku as a volunteer.
 
  We organised an editathon last year with BTWSC/BBM as you know. Not
 funding was involved.
 
  And for those who may be interested my 'private' email was at the
 request of Kwaku asking Fae to contact him directly to have any questions
 answered and including his contact details.
 
 
 
  On 27 March 2014 14:12, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  After a week of silence on basic questions, in response to a different
  volunteer, the UK chapter has confirmed that it is supporting the
  BritishBlackMusic.com event in Ghana with money and official
  merchandising. The precise amount has not been specified.[1] It was
  not clear to me that the event was in Ghana rather than the UK, until
  another volunteer found an Eventbrite page with details. This was
  apparently unknown to the UK Chapter as no mention was made of it when
  promoting the event.[3]
 
  In the light of the fact that Kwaku is making public presentations
  officially supported by Wikimedia UK, I have raised Kwaku's COI issues
  on the English Wikipedia noticeboard so that he can be advised by
  project volunteers as to policy and best practice.[2] Since creating
  his account on the English Wikipedia ten months ago, Kwaku has made a
  total of 10 edits with several others being deleted, apparently due to
  them promoting his organization, some remaining edits promote his
  writing for Billboard.[4]
 
  Kwaku was funded by Wikimedia UK last year with a full scholarship for
  a weekend in Berlin to take part in a Wikimedia Conference, the amount
  of the charity's money this cost has not been made public.
 
  With regard to Jon Davies' email to this thread that BBM are supported
  by Lottery Funding, this appears an exaggeration of the facts. I have
  had a response from the Brent Archives, a named 2006 project partner,
  who confirmed the project happened but were unable to produce a
  report; they took no responsibility for the funds. After an interim
  reply, am waiting on a full response from the Heritage Lottery Fund
  (HLF). A HLF project was funded 8 years ago in 2006 with BTWSC named
  as running the project, intended to produce a guide. There is no
  evidence of any lottery funding for BTWSC since that date, the BBM
  appears to have never been the recipient of lottery funding.
 
  No evidence has been found that BTWSC or BBM are registered
  organizations, consequently it is unlikely that financial accounts
  have ever been published or put on record.
 
  Note, I was privately emailed by Jon Davies a few days ago but no
  additional information was provided at that time.
 
  Link
  1.
 

[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikimedia-GH] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] A five-minute task new volunteers can do

[rupert THURNER]

Hi, would be any wikimedia experienced volunteers be interested in
subscribing to the Ghana mailing list and give advice should any questions
arise how to best proceed?

Ghana has about 15 editors who slowly expand the community via outreach
activities, but many of them are quite new and, at least imo, hints are
always welcomed.

Rupert
-- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
Von: Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com
Datum: 05.12.2013 11:35
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-GH] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] A five-minute task new
volunteers can do
An: Planning Wikimedia Ghana Chapter wikimedia...@lists.wikimedia.org

Rupert Good one. :-), I passed it on via social media yesterday. Thinking
of categorizing Ghana related ones soon.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 Fyi
 -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
 Von: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 Datum: 03.12.2013 16:21
 Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] A five-minute task new volunteers can do
 An: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org

 I've just blogged about a five-minute task new volunteers can do:


 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/help-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons-transcribe-text/

 transcribing small pieces of text in images such as foundation stones
 or signposts.

 Please feel free to circulate that through your networks, especially
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: OpenGLAM Principles, 3rd iteration

[rupert THURNER]

hi martin,

i really appreciate this structured approach. why are you not using
zentralbibliothek zürich:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich
as an example? they did not invent anything new and used the proven
way of uploading. no additional license text, no additional website.
highest quality. unrestricted. no links to pay walls.

rupert
swissGLAMour


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Martin Poulter infob...@gmail.com wrote:
 Forwarded in case it is of interest


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 From: Cable Green ca...@creativecommons.org
 Date: 19 August 2013 18:29
 Subject: OpenGLAM Principles, 3rd iteration
 To: oer-disc...@jiscmail.ac.uk


 FYI

 Cable


 http://openglam.org/principles/


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 OpenGLAM Principles

 v.0.6.

 Note: This is the third version of the OpenGLAM principles which we have
 drafted together with the OpenGLAM Working Group. We would like this to be a
 community effort so please give feedback on the OpenGLAM mailing list!

 Galleries, libraries, archives and museums have a fundamental role in
 supporting the advance of humanity’s knowledge. They are the custodians of
 our cultural heritage and in their collections they hold the record of
 humankind.

 The internet affords cultural heritage institutions a radical new
 opportunity to engage global audiences and make their collections more
 discoverable and connected than ever, allowing users not only to enjoy the
 riches of the world’s memory institutions, but also to contribute,
 participate and share.

 We believe that cultural institutions that take steps to open up their
 collections and metadata stand to benefit from these opportunities.

 When we say that a collection or data set is “open” we mean that it is
 complies with the Open Definition, which can be summed up in the statement
 that:

 “A piece of data or content is open if anyone is free to use, reuse, and
 redistribute it — subject only, at most, to the requirement to give credit
 to the author and/or making any resulting work available under the same
 terms as the original work.”

 The first step to make a collection open is to apply an open license, but
 that is where the story begins. Openness to collaboration and to novel forms
 of user engagement are essential if cultural heritage institutions are to
 realise the full potential of the internet for access, innovation and
 digital scholarship.

 

 An OpenGLAM institution champions these principles:

 1. Digital information about the works (metadata) should be released under
 the Creative Commons Zero Waiver.

 This promotes the maximum possible reuse of the data and allows your
 resources to become more discoverable whilst also ensuring compliance with
 major cultural data aggregators such as Europeana and the Digital Public
 Library of America.

 For exemplary open metadata licensing policies see:

 Europeana Licensing Framework
 Digital Public Library of America

 2. Keep digital representations of works for which copyright has expired
 (public domain) in the public domain by not adding new rights to them.

 Digital representations of public domain works should be placed in the
 public domain via the use of the Public Domain Mark. This promotes the
 maximum possible reuse of the content.

 For exemplary open content licensing policies see:

 The Rijksmuseum
 The British Library
 The Walters Art Museum

 For more detailed documents and charters on the importance of the digital
 public domain see:

 Europeana Public Domain Charter
 Communia Public Domain Manifesto

 3. When publishing data make an explicit and robust statement of your wishes
 and expectations with respect to reuse and repurposing of the descriptions,
 the whole data collection, and subsets of the collection.

 For exemplary statements see:

 The Rijksmuseum
 The British Library
 The Walters Art Museum

 4. When publishing data use open file formats which are machine-readable.

 Formats that are machine readable are ones which are able to have their data
 extracted by computer programs.
 If information is released in a closed file format, this can cause
 significant obstacles to reusing the information encoded in it, forcing
 those who wish to use the information to buy the necessary software.
 The structure and possible uses of the data should be well documented, for
 example in a datablog or webpage.

 For more information on open file formats, have a look at the Open Data
 Handbook.

 5. Opportunities to engage audiences in novel ways on the web should be
 pursued.

 When publishing data, be willing to answer questions from interested parties
 about the data and support them in getting the most out of your data.
 Give opportunities for your audiences to curate and collect items from your
 collections. The Rijksmuseum’s Rijksstudio is a great example of this kind
 engagement.
 Where possible consider allowing your users to enrich and improve your
 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Upcoming Wikimedian in Residence projects in the UK

[rupert THURNER]

That is exciting news! If there would be anything related to world war 1 it
would be an opportunity to cooperate with our wir at the swiss federal
archives. I put micha in cc as i am unsure if he is subscribed ti this list.

Rupert.
Am 16.07.2013 12:56 schrieb Daria Cybulska 
daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk:

 Dear All,

 Following from some successful projects earlier this year, Wikimedia UK
 has been working on setting up further Wikimedian in Residence projects. I
 am pleased to say that three exciting ones have been approved by the board
 at the recent meeting:

 - York Museum Trust
 - The Royal Society, London
 - The University of Manchester Library

 We are now discussing the details with them. It will be a couple of months
 before the projects start, but we wanted to share these exciting news with
 you now. What would you like to see happen within these projects? You can
 start letting us know now!

 Do you live in the area and would like to be on the recruitment panel? Do
 get in touch as well.


 All the best,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

Hi,

Why did wmuk form a company?

Rupert
Am 24.06.2013 22:38 schrieb Roger Bamkin ro...@bamkin.org.uk:

 More than willing to talk but there is nothing to say I'm afraid. We
 missed the occasion of GLAMwiki and the AGM. I am told that WMUK managed to
 form a company but the trustee who had created the agreements left the
 board at the AGM. Doug will be missed.

 QRpedia is much more relevant to Freopedia, Joburgpedia and
 Gibraltarpedia. Over a thousand new articles, lots of plaques and new
 editors working on articles in new languages. Our third Featured article of
 the day in the next few days and the second QRpedia inspired project should
 make 1,000 articles next month.

 The work at Walsal looks very impressive and there is work in
 Monmouthshire as well so progress is being made by lots of people.

 R


 On 24 June 2013 19:56, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Following up on this from earlier this month - it still appears that
 there is a delay in the transfer of the domain. Chris, Jon or Roger, please
 could you give an update? Thanks.

 On 8 June 2013 09:48, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi chris, what will the solution be?

 On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating 
 chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Andreas,
 
  Yes, of course.
 
  The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.
 
  At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
  purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.
 
  We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability
 of
  being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen
 it
  could be very costly.
 
  So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
  reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
  patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
  everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.
 
  Chris
 
 
  Thanks, Chris.
 
  A.
 

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

hi chris, what will the solution be?

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Andreas,

 Yes, of course.

 The delay has basically been down to the risk of patent litigation.

 At least one Wikimedia chapter has received letters from people who
 purport that QRpedia infringes on various patents.

 We do not believe this is the case and do not believe the probability of
 being involved in actual litigation is high. However if it did happen it
 could be very costly.

 So we have been taking advice on how to deal with this risk, and have
 reached a solution which will work.  Roger and Terence have been very
 patiently waiting for this to be sorted out - apologies to them, and
 everyone else waiting for an outcome, for the delay.

 Chris


 Thanks, Chris.

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[Wikimediauk-l] swiss federal archives searches wikipedian in residence, material of 1st world war

[rupert THURNER]

fyi, crossposted from wikimedia-l
swiss federal archives searches wikipedian in residence, material of
1st world war should be published in a first step. deadline:
2013-05-04.

Bern, 12.04.2013 - The Swiss Federal Archives and Wikimedia CH are joining
forces to review source materials from the Federal Archives and publish
them online. To this end, the post of a “Wikipedian in Residence” is now
being advertised via Wikimedia. The first joint project will provide access
to a photographic collection on the First World War.

2013 sees the start of a new collaboration between the Swiss Federal
Archives and Wikimedia – two organisations committed to free access to
knowledge. With a view to publishing freely usable, “public domain” source
materials from the Federal Archives holdings online via Wikimedia – such as
Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikiversity – a “Wikipedian in Residence” will be
working in the Federal Archives over the next few months.

Wikimedia has been gathering experience with the “Wikipedian in Residence”
concept internationally since 2010, at institutions such as the Museum of
Modern Art in New York, the British Library in London and the US National
Archives near Washington. The Federal Archives partnership is the first
collaboration with a GLAM (*Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums*)
institution in Switzerland.

The initial goal is to make more than 5,000 digitised photographs from a
collection on the First World War searchable and freely accessible via
Wikimedia by autumn 2013, providing researchers with a fascinating, well
catalogued and freely accessible body of materials just in time for the
centenary of the war’s outbreak in 1914.

As a guest of the Federal Archives, the Wikipedian in Residence will
promote entries in the online encyclopaedia that relate to the Federal
Archives and their holdings, and publish material under open-content
licences. Links between the Federal Archives and the Wikipedia community
will also be expanded.

The Federal Archives and Wikimedia CH will report on the collaboration and
its results at regular intervals.

The advertisement for the post of “Wikipedian in
Residence”http://members.wikimedia.ch/images/c/c7/Job-Advertisement-WiR.pdf


Français:
http://www.bar.admin.ch/aktuell/00431/01503/index.html?lang=frmsg-id=48486

Deutsch:
http://www.bar.admin.ch/aktuell/00431/01503/index.html?lang=demsg-id=48486

Italiano:
http://www.bar.admin.ch/aktuell/00431/01503/index.html?lang=itmsg-id=48486

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of conscience Fwd: [REA]

[rupert THURNER]

it seems that CEO of taylor  francis, Roger Horton [2], wanted to charge
nearly 3000 USD to publish an article accessible without paywall in their
journal of library administration [0]. they are located in milton park,
oxon, and belong to informa, with its CEO, Peter Rigby [1]. if my english
is good enough to understand that correctly *wonder*. see forwarded mail
below ...

would 3000 usd in future be then a fair price the wikimedia movement should
offer scientific authors and reviewing groups to publish an article as
cc-by-sa? i was trying to get some information to calculate if this number
does make any sense [3][4][5][6][7]
* 15'000 - 25'000 peer reviewed journals
* 1'300'000 peer reviewed papers published a year
* 3.5 % of them open available, further 4.6 % after some embargo period
* 4'000 publishers
* 2'200'000 books published a year
* 2012 reed elsevier numbers:
   * total revenue: £6bn
   * profit: £1.358bn
   * revenue scientific publications: £2 bn
   * electronic revenue: 54%
   * usersubscription revenue: 70%
   * 30'000 people
* 2011 informa / taylor francis numbers:
   * total revenue £1.3 bn
   * profit $336 m
   * publishing business 54% of total revenue
   * publishing business 69% of profit
   * 67% of publishing revenues is through subscriptions
   * part of it academic information (AI)
  * 25% of groups revenue
  * 35% of groups profit
  * 20% of groups employees (1600, out of 8300)
  * 1'600 academic journals
  * 3'500 new books published

this would mean, if one paper costs 3000 usd * 130 = 3'900'000'000 ...
the peer reviewed scientific publishing market would be a $4bn market in
2013. 2003 the guardian reported the scientific publishing market worth
£4.5bn. [8] and, it would mean 1 person at a publisher works full time for
one academic journal published. open access et al is listed as external
risk e.g. in reed elseviers annual report.

[0]
http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/journals-editorial-board-resigns-in-protest-of-publishers-policy-toward-authors/43149
[1] http://www.informa.com/Who-We-Are/Board-of-Directors/Peter-Rigby/
[2] https://twitter.com/RogerGHorton
[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2909426/
[4] http://informationr.net/ir/14-1/paper391.html
[5] http://www.worldometers.info/books/
[6] http://reporting.reedelsevier.com/media/174016/reed_elsevier_ar_2012.pdf
[7]
http://www.informa.com/Documents/Investor%20Relations/Reports/2011/AnnualReport_2011.pdf
[8] http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2003/dec/12/houseofcommons.research

rupert.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org
Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:19 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of conscience Fwd: [REA]
To: Mailing list do Capítulo brasileiro da Wikimedia. 
wikimediab...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Mailing List 
wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, Brazil interest group for Open Knowledge
and especially Open Data okfn...@lists.okfn.org,
open-scie...@lists.okfn.org


Good example.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Barbara Dieu beeonl...@gmail.com
Date: 2013/3/27
Subject: [REA] Crisis of conscience
To: rea-li...@googlegroups.com


Entire library journal editorial board resigns, citing 'crisis of
conscience' after death of Aaron Swartz

In a dramatic show of support for the open access movement, the
editor-in-chief and entire editorial board of the Journal of Library
Administration announced their resignation last week. In a letter to
contributors, the board singled out a conflict with owners over the
journal's licensing terms, which stripped authors of almost all claim
to ownership of their work.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/26/4149752/library-journal-resigns-for-open-access-citing-aaron-swartz

Um abc
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK activity report, February 2013

[rupert THURNER]

Hi stevie, what are these 5000 direct debits you mention? is this something
regular?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:
 On Saturday, 9 February 2013 at 20:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:
 On 9 February 2013 18:39, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org 
 (mailto:t...@tommorris.org) wrote:
  Now this has been transferred to Wikimedia UK, would it be possible to
  remove the access logging on QRpedia to ensure it complies with both the
  letter and spirit of the WMF privacy policy.


 Is it possible to do that and retain the aggregated, anonymised
 statistics which GLAM institutions and others deploying QRpedia find
 useful? These may be analogous to Wikipedias page view stats.



 That seems highly reasonable. The current issue is that the QRpedia database 
 has a complete log of which IPs looked up which pages and when.

 (Which is fine, I'm not blaming Roger or Terence. That's a perfectly 
 reasonable thing to do with something you are starting. This isn't a security 
 hole or a privacy intrusion, it's a standard thing anyone would do when 
 building a project like this. But now it has reached a point of maturity and 
 is being taken under the wing of WMUK, we need to ensure that it is compliant 
 with the expectations of Wikimedia users.)

 We need to anonymise the access data, aggregate it and then delete the 
 non-anonymised, non-aggregated data. I'm happy to fling code around and 
 figure out a way to do this. I've had a look at the existing code and it's 
 easy enough to understand. We could probably do with refactoring some of the 
 code too.

 I'd suggest that it would be best for WMUK to adhere completely with the 
 Foundation's privacy policy (mentally substitute chapter and WMUK in the 
 relevant places) even if the chapter is not formally bound by the Foundation 
 policy (I'm not a movement policy wonk, I don't know). In addition, not 
 holding on to access logs but only aggregate, anonymised data means that we 
 minimise the potential for problems under the Data Protection Act or wider 
 European data privacy law.

 ... that we resolve these kinds of issues in the next week or so (I rather 
 prefer fixing issues when they exist only in my head rather than when people 
 are shouting like maniacs). As I said, I'm happy to provide patches and code 
 review in the next few days.

i'd highly appreciate this, many thanks tom! and thanks as well for
reminding about policies, i suggested a task in the chapters
association s task list to make clear(er) in the important policies if
they should apply for the movement, and not only for the wmf:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Tasks

rupert.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] QRpedia

[rupert THURNER]

excellent to hear! many thanks to you (wmuk) as well to terence and roger.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Chris Keating
chris.keat...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Dear all,

 I am pleased to announce that Wikimedia UK has reached an agreement with
 Roger Bamkin and Terence Eden regarding the ownership of QRpedia.

 The intellectual property in QRpedia and the qrpedia.org and qrwp.org
 domains will be transferred to Wikimedia UK, which will maintain and support
 the development of the QRpedia platform for the future. Roger and Terence
 will act as honorary advisors to Wikimedia UK in this, as well as retaining
 their moral rights of attribution, but will not receive any financial
 consideration for this.

 I am very pleased we have reached an agreement. I look forward to Wikimedia
 UK working to support QRpedia's future development. This includes defining
 our future involvement with the MonmouthpediA and GibraltarpediA projects. A
 fuller statement will follow.

 Regards,

 Chris Keating


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[Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

what is the current status of qrpedia? is at already recommended to
use it again in wikiland?

rupert.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[rupert THURNER]

would it be possible to reveal the main obstacles why this is not yet settled?

On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well thats a timely question. A deal was agreed in July with the UK board's
 representative and their Chief Exec and a contract was drawn up. Before
 Christmas the UK board said that they wanted to re-negotiate and wanted to
 create a new contract. As you can iimagine this was disappointing and we did
 not want to go through that process again. The board has recently agreed
 that it will endeavor to create a binding deal and they have delegated two
 board members to restart the process.

 However, QRpedia remains available for anyone to use and we have projects
 including those in Australia, France, Spain, Gibraltar, Germany, India,
 Estonia and Tunisia, These will continue to be supported for ever at no
 cost.

 Hope that helps

 On 20 January 2013 14:58, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 what is the current status of qrpedia? is at already recommended to
 use it again in wikiland?

 rupert.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

[rupert THURNER]

jan-bart,

while i find the measures well thought out in most parts, i am missing
a clear separation of concerns.

the first concern are contributors of money. did we again forget them?
why a UK resident should be punished and not be able to give tax
exempted? i'd say the current proceeding clearly fails here.

the second concern are contributors of time, volunteers, editors,
photographers. did we forget them? was the reaction of WMUK and WMF
appropriate to retain editors? is it better to allow and support a
career path like the one of roger. for this concern i honestly do not
know the answer. somebody Independent should have a look, and i hope
to get an answer in a couple of months, from WMUK and WMF.

the third concern is WMUK. somebody independent should have a look as
far as i understood. which seems acceptable. but is it necessary to
paralyze WMUK with this unnecessary discussion about payment
processing and measures which might be perceived overly strict and not
at all targeted to the source? may it be perceived that WMF or
somebody at WMF has a conflict of interest? i do not have a good
answer. i'd find it helpful to get an answer rather earlier than
later.

rupert


On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi

 Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English was
 very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey was
 unusual and unusual enough to warrant further review…

 Jan-Bart


 On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Jan-Bart and others,

 I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before
 jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is highly irregular (which
 incidentally, clearly is an accusation of wrong doing). There are certainly
 allegations that have been made that are of serious concern but I would hope
 people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report before assuming
 they are well founded.

 In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very difficult
 time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this and we can
 come through a stronger chapter at the end.

 Regards,

 On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede
 jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi

 It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly)
 irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you
 state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing
 (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is
 actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of
 consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at.

 Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its
 not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do
 under the difficult circumstances.

 (oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done
 automatically)

 Jan-Bart de Vreede
 Wikimedia Board of Trustees


 On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote:

  On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote:
  Hi James (and others)
 
  What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume
  bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be
  concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several
  (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important
  that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the
  complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this
  and draw proper conclusions.
 
  Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you
  (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong
  before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been
  completed.
 
  KTC
 
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