jan-bart, while i find the measures well thought out in most parts, i am missing a clear separation of concerns.
the first concern are contributors of money. did we again forget them? why a UK resident should be punished and not be able to give tax exempted? i'd say the current proceeding clearly fails here. the second concern are contributors of time, volunteers, editors, photographers. did we forget them? was the reaction of WMUK and WMF appropriate to retain editors? is it better to "allow and support a career path like the one of roger". for this concern i honestly do not know the answer. somebody Independent should have a look, and i hope to get an answer in a couple of months, from WMUK and WMF. the third concern is WMUK. somebody independent should have a look as far as i understood. which seems acceptable. but is it necessary to paralyze WMUK with this unnecessary discussion about payment processing and measures which might be perceived overly strict and not at all targeted to the source? may it be perceived that WMF or somebody at WMF has a conflict of interest? i do not have a good answer. i'd find it helpful to get an answer rather earlier than later. rupert On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > Thank you Andrew, although I must confess that I thought that my English was > very good I apparently chose the wrong words. What I meant to convey was > "unusual" and unusual enough to warrant further review… > > Jan-Bart > > > On 29 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Andrew Turvey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Jan-Bart and others, > > I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before > jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular" (which > incidentally, clearly is an accusation of wrong doing). There are certainly > allegations that have been made that are of serious concern but I would hope > people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report before assuming > they are well founded. > > In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very difficult > time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this and we can > come through a stronger chapter at the end. > > Regards, > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly) >> irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you >> state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing >> (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is >> actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of >> consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at. >> >> Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its >> not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do >> under the difficult circumstances. >> >> (oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done >> automatically) >> >> Jan-Bart de Vreede >> Wikimedia Board of Trustees >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote: >> >> Hi James (and others) >> >> >> >> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume >> >> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be >> >> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several >> >> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important >> >> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the >> >> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this >> >> and draw proper conclusions. >> > >> > Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you >> > (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong >> > before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been >> > completed. >> > >> > KTC >> > >> > -- >> > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >> > - Heinrich Heine >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > -- > Andrew Turvey > -- > 07403 216 991 > @AndrewTurvey > http://www.facebook.com/andrew.turvey > http://en.wikipedia.org/User:AndrewRT > http://englishwikipedian.blogspot.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [email protected] http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
