Re: [Wikitech-l] Flattening a wikimedia category
> While Wikimedia is not yet the most popular stock photo source, IMO > having this flattening functionality would be useful to those who are > looking for stock photos. Just I love this recurring debate sooo much I drop a two more bits: * atomic categorization would solve this * category intersection would be useful (imagine a user searching for a picture of a library in asia) open fire! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Flattening a wikimedia category
Seems like it is no easy way to display all the media files under a wikimedia category -- for example if someone wants a picture of a library, he or she will need to go into each sub-category under "Libraries": http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Libraries While Wikimedia is not yet the most popular stock photo source, IMO having this flattening functionality would be useful to those who are looking for stock photos. Rayson ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] "Google phases out support for IE6"
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote: >.. > I think that's obvious. In all seriousness though, we may want to > consider the possibility of letting users know about features they are > missing out on. In the case of the UsabilityInitiative work I'm doing, > IE6 hasn't really been a problem since we ditched it long ago. Users of > IE6 won't even know how wonderful things might be on the other side of > the upgrade. IE 6.0 was the third most popular browser in November 2009, with 12% of the marketshare. http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm A fully patched Windows 2000 machine only upgrades as far as 6.x; IE7&8 are not available for W2K. Of course, W2K users can migrate to Firefox, so they do have options, however IE6 is sufficiently functional for wikitext editing and reading. Is the UsabilityInitiative ignoring IE 6.0? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Nimish Gautam wrote: > Hey all, > > I really want to turn on Google chrome frame support for the mediawiki > projects: > > http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/ > > Basically, it would just involve us putting in a meta tag on our pages > that would trigger an IE plugin Google wrote, assuming the IE user had > that plugin installed. The plugin essentially causes IE to use google's > HTML renderer and JS engine, which are much nicer to develop for than > IE. This won't really solve IE development issues, but would be a good > move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. > > Any thoughts or compelling reasons why this might not be a good thing to do? The issues log at the bottom of the developers guide indicate this is not ready for prime time - i.e. printing doesn't work. http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/developers_guide.html More fundamentally, the _user_ should control when a different renderer is used for websites; not the website! Currently this can be done with registry keys. HKCU\Software\Google\ChromeFrame\OptInUrls Hopefully they add a GUI to configure the OptIn list, and the ability to import a whitelist like Adblock and IETab. fwiw, Mozilla-in-IE was at a similar stage three years ago. http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2006/12/xule-what-if/ -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Nimish Gautam wrote: >> Basically, it would just involve us putting in a meta tag on our pages >> that would trigger an IE plugin Google wrote, assuming the IE user had >> that plugin installed. The plugin essentially causes IE to use google's >> HTML renderer and JS engine, which are much nicer to develop for than >> IE. This won't really solve IE development issues, but would be a good >> move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. >> >> Any thoughts or compelling reasons why this might not be a good thing to do? > > The page says "Note: This is an early-stage release, intended for > developers and testing." It doesn't sound like it's ready for us to > use yet. I've heard anecdotal reports of stability problems (no, no > source offhand). Moreover, it's not clear to me whether it would > integrate correctly with all IE features. If we do use it, it could > only be after significant testing that demonstrated it's actually a > clear improvement. > > It might be worth making this an opt-in feature now, though. > Adventurous IE users can try it out and report whether they like it or > not, or if they spot any bugs. If they do, we can tell them to file > them with the Chrome Frame team. > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l I think it would be a good idea. It's better than nothing. It would make Mediawiki run faster and allow scripts to work better in IE. A simple opt-in should do. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] "Google phases out support for IE6"
On 2/3/10 2:01 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > >> Yeah, but something more subtle might actually be appropriate. >> Presumably IE6 lingers so long because it doesn't cause *users* any >> problems. All the headache is on the side of web developers. If you >> make it a problem for users (eg, youtube doesn't work anymore, iirc), >> then they eventually make enough noise to bug their corporate masters >> to switch. >> > Our goal is to make information freely available to as many people as > possible. Annoying people who try to use Wikipedia would make it less > pleasant for them to use the site and run contrary to our mission. We > need to support IE6 as well as possible, given realistic constraints > on our manpower. We should not be taking out our frustration at IE6 > on users who typically didn't choose their browser in the first place. > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > I think that's obvious. In all seriousness though, we may want to consider the possibility of letting users know about features they are missing out on. In the case of the UsabilityInitiative work I'm doing, IE6 hasn't really been a problem since we ditched it long ago. Users of IE6 won't even know how wonderful things might be on the other side of the upgrade. Also, we are open source, and thus we want to promote open source browsers. So, it's not a far-stretch to imagine us actively doing so, even if IE worked great. But once again, yes, we'll catch more bees with honey than... you get the idea. - Trevor ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] "Google phases out support for IE6"
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Yeah, but something more subtle might actually be appropriate. > Presumably IE6 lingers so long because it doesn't cause *users* any > problems. All the headache is on the side of web developers. If you > make it a problem for users (eg, youtube doesn't work anymore, iirc), > then they eventually make enough noise to bug their corporate masters > to switch. Our goal is to make information freely available to as many people as possible. Annoying people who try to use Wikipedia would make it less pleasant for them to use the site and run contrary to our mission. We need to support IE6 as well as possible, given realistic constraints on our manpower. We should not be taking out our frustration at IE6 on users who typically didn't choose their browser in the first place. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] "Google phases out support for IE6"
On 2/3/10 1:54 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >> http://danielrw.tumblr.com/post/266672251/hilarious-ie6-splash-screens >> > Yeah, but something more subtle might actually be appropriate. > Presumably IE6 lingers so long because it doesn't cause *users* any > problems. All the headache is on the side of web developers. If you > make it a problem for users (eg, youtube doesn't work anymore, iirc), > then they eventually make enough noise to bug their corporate masters > to switch. > > Question is, where to draw the line? A simple "You're using a crappy > browser, please upgrade" banner will be efficiently ignored. Refusal > to serve the page at all is obnoxious. You need something a little > sneaky like "You're using IE6. Retrieving IE6 support from software > archive...loadingloading...<5 seconds>...done" Ok, that's > obnoxious too, but it's the kind of thing users eventually go "Can I > please have another browser, wikipedia is so slow". > > Steve > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > I think this is an interesting idea... http://blog.pengoworks.com/index.cfm/2008/6/17/An-unobtrusive-way-to-say-IE6-sucks - Trevor ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] "Google phases out support for IE6"
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: > http://danielrw.tumblr.com/post/266672251/hilarious-ie6-splash-screens Yeah, but something more subtle might actually be appropriate. Presumably IE6 lingers so long because it doesn't cause *users* any problems. All the headache is on the side of web developers. If you make it a problem for users (eg, youtube doesn't work anymore, iirc), then they eventually make enough noise to bug their corporate masters to switch. Question is, where to draw the line? A simple "You're using a crappy browser, please upgrade" banner will be efficiently ignored. Refusal to serve the page at all is obnoxious. You need something a little sneaky like "You're using IE6. Retrieving IE6 support from software archive...loadingloading...<5 seconds>...done" Ok, that's obnoxious too, but it's the kind of thing users eventually go "Can I please have another browser, wikipedia is so slow". Steve ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Nimish Gautam wrote: > Basically, it would just involve us putting in a meta tag on our pages > that would trigger an IE plugin Google wrote, assuming the IE user had > that plugin installed. The plugin essentially causes IE to use google's > HTML renderer and JS engine, which are much nicer to develop for than > IE. This won't really solve IE development issues, but would be a good > move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. > > Any thoughts or compelling reasons why this might not be a good thing to do? The page says "Note: This is an early-stage release, intended for developers and testing." It doesn't sound like it's ready for us to use yet. I've heard anecdotal reports of stability problems (no, no source offhand). Moreover, it's not clear to me whether it would integrate correctly with all IE features. If we do use it, it could only be after significant testing that demonstrated it's actually a clear improvement. It might be worth making this an opt-in feature now, though. Adventurous IE users can try it out and report whether they like it or not, or if they spot any bugs. If they do, we can tell them to file them with the Chrome Frame team. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
> Other than the hassle of having them install a beta plugin on > their browser? > They could as well install another browser. > Many corporate and government organizations are a lot more likely to install the plugin than upgrade from IE 6. V/r, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
Nimish Gautam wrote: > Hey all, > > I really want to turn on Google chrome frame support for the mediawiki > projects: > > http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/ > > Basically, it would just involve us putting in a meta tag on our pages > that would trigger an IE plugin Google wrote, assuming the IE user had > that plugin installed. The plugin essentially causes IE to use google's > HTML renderer and JS engine, which are much nicer to develop for than > IE. This won't really solve IE development issues, but would be a good > move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. > > Any thoughts or compelling reasons why this might not be a good thing to do? > > -Nimish Other than the hassle of having them install a beta plugin on their browser? They could as well install another browser. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Chrome frame support?
Hey all, I really want to turn on Google chrome frame support for the mediawiki projects: http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/ Basically, it would just involve us putting in a meta tag on our pages that would trigger an IE plugin Google wrote, assuming the IE user had that plugin installed. The plugin essentially causes IE to use google's HTML renderer and JS engine, which are much nicer to develop for than IE. This won't really solve IE development issues, but would be a good move in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. Any thoughts or compelling reasons why this might not be a good thing to do? -Nimish ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook introducing PHP compiler?
> https://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php/ > but it seems to have been removed and the repo's not public on GitHub yet. > Soon, > I hope :) source release had to be yesterday, I don't know the details what happened, but I heard people telling 'soon = this week'. Domas ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] remove me from your mailing list
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Re: [Wikitech-l] remove me from your mailing list
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook introducing PHP compiler?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Platonides wrote: > Domas Mituzas wrote: >>> However, that article is just rumour. I think it's more likely they made >>> some apc-like cache/optimizer than a compiler. >> >> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=280583813919&id=9445547199&ref=nf >> >>> And the conclusion that >>> it will be open source is questionable. In such case, why would they >>> made them sign NDAs? >> >> It is under PHP license. > > Nice... is it available somewhere? > I miss a download link. > > >> P.S. we have full hiphop dev support in our quest of running wikipedia on it. > > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > There was a link in that post originally to https://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php/, but it seems to have been removed and the repo's not public on GitHub yet. Soon, I hope :) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook introducing PHP compiler?
Domas Mituzas wrote: >> However, that article is just rumour. I think it's more likely they made >> some apc-like cache/optimizer than a compiler. > > http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=280583813919&id=9445547199&ref=nf > >> And the conclusion that >> it will be open source is questionable. In such case, why would they >> made them sign NDAs? > > It is under PHP license. Nice... is it available somewhere? I miss a download link. > P.S. we have full hiphop dev support in our quest of running wikipedia on it. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
