Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Niharika Kohli]

I'd be very interested in this! I hope you schedule it keeping in mind
remote remotees such as me (India). :)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Christopher Wilson 
wrote:

> I'd be interested as well. My employer is going to be rolling out a new
> site design soon, and it'd be great to have our Wikis match everything else
> with regard to look and feel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Stephen Niedzielski <
> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested as well! I tried making a custom theme based off
> > vector a few years ago but it seemed like quite a bit of effort to build
> > something comprehensive that anyone would actually want to replace the
> > default with. I'd love a guided tour!
> >
> >
> > --stephen
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jon Robson  wrote:
> >
> > > I'd be interested in the process people go through purely from a how
> can
> > I
> > > make this simpler perspective. Alternatively you might want to consider
> > > doing a skin hack day/afternoon where people build skins and learn for
> > > themselves the horror of that process :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Bryan Davis 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Isarra Yos 
> > wrote:
> > > > > Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to
> > > make a
> > > > > MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you
> > > folks
> > > > > want to see from such a talk?
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to get an overview on creating a new skin. I would be
> > > > especially interested in the "tales from the real world" aspects of
> > > > working with RL, what is and isn't possible without implementing
> > > > hooks, and lessons learned from past skins the two of you have worked
> > > > on.
> > > >
> > > > Bryan
> > > > --
> > > > Bryan Davis  Wikimedia Foundation<
> bd...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]]  Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID
> USA
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[Wikitech-l] WikiDev16: Problem-solving, field narrowing and consensus

[Rob Lanphier]

Hi folks,

As you saw, the initial call for participation for WikiDev16[1] calls
for session proposals to be in fairly early (due October 2).  Many
people have already submitted proposals.[2]  It's encouraging to see
this early activity for this.

Let's make sure we plan to talk about what needs to be discussed,
rather than merely what a presenter is comfortable presenting about.
In fact, the word "present" should be a bit of a red flag (where
"present" means "lecture" rather than "gift" and rather than "opposite
of absent")

I made several edits to the WikiDev16/Scope page today[3], where I
attempted to clarify what I think will be the best use of our
collective time.  In short, you'll see five different types of
collaborative engineering meetings: "Problem-solving", "Strawman",
"Field narrowing", "Consensus", and "Education".  While all types of
discussions are generally productive, for WikiDev16, we should
strongly bias "Problem-solving", "Field narrowing", and "Consensus"
meetings.  "Strawman" and "Education" meetings can happen online
and/or in the hallway track[4].

I think we could learn a lot from how the IETF does things, and I
would like to model the bulk of the first two days of WikiDev16 around
the IETF way of doing things.  The IETF sets the standard for basic
Internet infrastructure, meeting three times a year in meetings anyone
can register for and attend.  I’ve put in a request (T111306) to
purposefully scout the next IETF meeting to give us more knowledge of
their process.[5]

We should strive to show we can build great software in an inclusive,
consensus-oriented, open manner.  Let's use this opportunity to figure
out how to make Wikimedia software work better, and make it more
joyful to work with.

Rob

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimedia-developer-summit-2016/
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiDev16/Scope
[4] 
http://sachachua.com/blog/2010/12/making-the-most-of-the-conference-hallway-track/
[5] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T111306

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Christopher Wilson]

I'd be interested as well. My employer is going to be rolling out a new
site design soon, and it'd be great to have our Wikis match everything else
with regard to look and feel.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Stephen Niedzielski <
sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I would be interested as well! I tried making a custom theme based off
> vector a few years ago but it seemed like quite a bit of effort to build
> something comprehensive that anyone would actually want to replace the
> default with. I'd love a guided tour!
>
>
> --stephen
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jon Robson  wrote:
>
> > I'd be interested in the process people go through purely from a how can
> I
> > make this simpler perspective. Alternatively you might want to consider
> > doing a skin hack day/afternoon where people build skins and learn for
> > themselves the horror of that process :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Bryan Davis 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Isarra Yos 
> wrote:
> > > > Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to
> > make a
> > > > MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you
> > folks
> > > > want to see from such a talk?
> > >
> > > I'd love to get an overview on creating a new skin. I would be
> > > especially interested in the "tales from the real world" aspects of
> > > working with RL, what is and isn't possible without implementing
> > > hooks, and lessons learned from past skins the two of you have worked
> > > on.
> > >
> > > Bryan
> > > --
> > > Bryan Davis  Wikimedia Foundation
> > > [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]]  Sr Software EngineerBoise, ID USA
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Stephen Niedzielski]

I would be interested as well! I tried making a custom theme based off
vector a few years ago but it seemed like quite a bit of effort to build
something comprehensive that anyone would actually want to replace the
default with. I'd love a guided tour!


--stephen

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jon Robson  wrote:

> I'd be interested in the process people go through purely from a how can I
> make this simpler perspective. Alternatively you might want to consider
> doing a skin hack day/afternoon where people build skins and learn for
> themselves the horror of that process :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Bryan Davis  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
> > > Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to
> make a
> > > MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you
> folks
> > > want to see from such a talk?
> >
> > I'd love to get an overview on creating a new skin. I would be
> > especially interested in the "tales from the real world" aspects of
> > working with RL, what is and isn't possible without implementing
> > hooks, and lessons learned from past skins the two of you have worked
> > on.
> >
> > Bryan
> > --
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Jon Robson]

I'd be interested in the process people go through purely from a how can I
make this simpler perspective. Alternatively you might want to consider
doing a skin hack day/afternoon where people build skins and learn for
themselves the horror of that process :)



On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Bryan Davis  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
> > Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to make a
> > MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you folks
> > want to see from such a talk?
>
> I'd love to get an overview on creating a new skin. I would be
> especially interested in the "tales from the real world" aspects of
> working with RL, what is and isn't possible without implementing
> hooks, and lessons learned from past skins the two of you have worked
> on.
>
> Bryan
> --
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Bryan Davis]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
> Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to make a
> MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you folks
> want to see from such a talk?

I'd love to get an overview on creating a new skin. I would be
especially interested in the "tales from the real world" aspects of
working with RL, what is and isn't possible without implementing
hooks, and lessons learned from past skins the two of you have worked
on.

Bryan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[C. Scott Ananian]

I'd be interested in this.  Again, partly from the perspective of "I
like to understand my enemies so I can better destroy them" ;) but I
would really like to understand better the relationship between skin
and content in MW.
 --scott

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> I would like to see a beautiful skin that looks like it was made in 2015!
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
>
>> Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to make a
>> MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you folks
>> want to see from such a talk?
>>
>> -I
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Pine W]

I would like to see a beautiful skin that looks like it was made in 2015!

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to make a
> MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you folks
> want to see from such a talk?
>
> -I
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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Quim Gil]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

>
> So why are they explicitly included for the call for participation?


Because they can propose sessions as well...

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[Wikitech-l] Would anyone be interested in a tech talk about how to make a mw skin?

[Isarra Yos]

Jack Phoenix and I were considering doing a tech talk about how to make 
a MediaWiki skin. Would there be any interest in this? What would you 
folks want to see from such a talk?


-I

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Brian Wolff]

On 9/28/15, Frances Hocutt  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>
>> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
>> priorities all that much (imo).
>>
>
> Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? As I'm on the Community Tech
> team, I'd love to mentor someone working on a community-centric project.
>
> A potential issue I see there is scope and identifying requirements. It's
> very easy for onlookers to continue making suggestions and saying that this
> and that needs to be tweaked, even as the project goes on, and dealing with
> that process can take a lot of time. In a 10-week internship, it's more of
> a problem if consensus suddenly shifts around week 8 and suddenly the thing
> they've been working on is no longer wanted in its current form.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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I guess because people want things that are self contained and "small"
but not too "small", which limits what you can fix.

Don't get me wrong, they are useful projects (Usually, not always).
But they usually don't strike me as things that the community would
say are super high priority, most of the time. (At least imho).

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Dan Garry]

On 28 September 2015 at 12:02, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
> should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
> under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
> should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
> realistic, it probably won't be done)


This is exactly on point.

If someone wants to reach out about a project and doesn't know who to
contact, feel free to contact me and I will try to point you to the right
person if such a person exists.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Frances Hocutt]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
> priorities all that much (imo).
>

Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? As I'm on the Community Tech
team, I'd love to mentor someone working on a community-centric project.

A potential issue I see there is scope and identifying requirements. It's
very easy for onlookers to continue making suggestions and saying that this
and that needs to be tweaked, even as the project goes on, and dealing with
that process can take a lot of time. In a 10-week internship, it's more of
a problem if consensus suddenly shifts around week 8 and suddenly the thing
they've been working on is no longer wanted in its current form.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Pine W]

Hi Brian,
I was told by a WMF non-management employee that they have little
discretion about which projects they're working on, and that the decisions
about priorities come top-down. Hence my interest in engaging with the
quarterly planning processes and the people managing those processes to see
if there's a way to get community input into the teams' quarterly goals.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
> should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
> under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
> should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
> realistic, it probably won't be done)
>
> They're either going to say yes or they're going to say no. The better
> reasoned your argument for why its important, the more likely they are
> going to say yes.
>
> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
> priorities all that much (imo).
>
> --
> -bawolff
>
> On 9/28/15, Pine W  wrote:
> > Hi Quim,
> >
> > For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is
> there
> > a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF
> dev
> > time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
> > community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.
> >
> > Pine
> > On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:
> >
> >> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
> >> projects.
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
> >>
> >> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and
> we
> >> have already many possible project ideas:
> >>
> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
> >>
> >> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates
> are
> >> also wide open for you.
> >>
> >> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking
> for
> >> microtasks to show their skills.
> >>
> >> Questions? Just ask, here or at
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
> >>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Interested in working on a WikiWidget for algorithm visualization

[S Page]

Hi. You're getting advice on how to add a new "algorithm visualization"
content type to MediaWiki. But...

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Daniel Moisset 
wrote:

>
> I'm one of the developers of thewalnut.io, a platform for authoring
> and
> sharing algorithm visualizations. ... creating a wikiwidget that can
> somehow integrate the content built in the walnut


"somehow" is the part you need to flesh out.

It seems a first step is simply to have algorithms on Wikipedias link to
your external platform. That's just adding a link to the == See also ==
section.

If you want a wiki widget to present a screenshot of the visualization that
when clicked open an external link to "See an interactive visualization of
this algorithm", that is just Template:External_Walnut_visualization that
has parameters for the animated GIF and the URL of the walnut.io
visualization. Using it extensively seems a per-wiki decision. You can
discuss and promote your idea in each wiki's technical area (e.g. "Village
Pump (technical)" [1]) and relevant WikiProjects [2].

External coordinate linking might be instructive. E.g. click the "37.787°N
122.4°W" in many articles [3], and a "GeoHack" window pops up that links to
interesting mapping services, both free and commercial. They didn't
implement "Offline animated image rendering solution" and such :-). In
general, wiki communities look more favorably on open presentation of
multiple services for data than blessing a single provider.

The third step is embedding the walnut.io interactive visualization of its
data format in the page, which could be a big on-wiki JavaScript gadget but
is probably best implemented as an extension implementing a new content
type. At that level everything that others said about FLOSS and licenses
and fallbacks does apply.

Cheers, sorry if I completely misunderstood what you're proposing... which
is a good reason to write it up as a subpage of your user page on meta-wiki
;-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Directory/Science,_technology,_and_engineering_WikiProjects
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/140_New_Montgomery

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Brian Wolff]

WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
realistic, it probably won't be done)

They're either going to say yes or they're going to say no. The better
reasoned your argument for why its important, the more likely they are
going to say yes.

That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
priorities all that much (imo).

--
-bawolff

On 9/28/15, Pine W  wrote:
> Hi Quim,
>
> For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is there
> a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF dev
> time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
> community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.
>
> Pine
> On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:
>
>> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
>> projects.
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
>>
>> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and we
>> have already many possible project ideas:
>>
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
>>
>> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates are
>> also wide open for you.
>>
>> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking for
>> microtasks to show their skills.
>>
>> Questions? Just ask, here or at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
>>
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[Wikitech-l] Skins in tarball releases

[Isarra Yos]

I would like to get a skin added as an option to the tarball releases. 
What all do they generally need to have done before that's possible?


For reference, this is the skin: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:GreyStuff


Any feedback about the skin in general would also be appreciated.

-I

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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Isarra Yos]

On 28/09/15 16:16, Quim Gil wrote:

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:


In the example of template editors, gadget and tool developers, etc used
earlier in this thread, how would that apply? Folks just do enough
templates etc elsewhere and poke a related proposal saying 'yup relevant'
so interest is known on that end, and then just list their involvements on
the application?


It would apply exactly in the same way than to the rest of developers.
Getting travel sponsorship to the Summit is not based on "what you do" but
on "what is your participation in the Summit". Someone requesting travel
sponsorship for the Summit must be able to explain their participation in
the discussions leading to the Summit.


So why are they explicitly included for the call for participation? 
Either they are already involved in the core discussions and would see 
the call for participation regardless, or... they won't be? Am I missing 
something, here?


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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Neil P. Quinn]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Isarra Yos  wrote:
>>
>> (And seriously, what's with the timing? So close after new year's, people
>> are going to be on holiday and plane prices are horrible; for me it'd
>> bring
>> the price down by over half if it were even just a week later, and others
>> may be more extreme.)
>>
>
> These dates were not our first option, but the availability of venues in
> San Francisco for the Summit and WMF AllHands during those weeks didn't
> gave us many alternatives. Also, the Wikimedia Hackathon is very close next
> year (end of March). On the other hand, the proximity / overlap with
> holidays might make it easier for some (i.e. students) to travel?
>

For the record, I also find the dates inconvenient, since I'll have to end
my holidays with my family earlier than I would have otherwise. It's not a
huge problem for me, but it's definitely something to bear in mind.

-- 
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product analyst
Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikitech-l] PHP CodeSniffer is now voting on MediaWiki core patches

[Quim Gil]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Ricordisamoa 
wrote:

> foreach( $people_Involved as $person): $person->thank( ) ; endforeach ;


:) Indeed!

Thank you Legoktm, this is very useful and fits very well in our efforts to
improve our code review practices.



>
>
> Il 27/09/2015 01:28, Legoktm ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks to the hard work of a lot of different people, PHP CodeSniffer is
>> now voting on all MediaWiki core patchsets! It checks for basic code
>> style issues automatically so new contributors (and experienced ones!)
>> can fix basic issues without a human needing to point them out.
>>
>> I added some brief instructions to [1] on how to run it locally, or you
>> can read the jenkins output.
>>
>> There are still a few code style rules that are disabled, [2] is
>> tracking fixing those issues.
>>
>> Please file any bugs or feature requests in the MediaWiki-CodeSniffer[3]
>> project on Phabricator.
>>
>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/PHP_CodeSniffer
>> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102609
>> [3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-codesniffer/
>>
>> -- Legoktm
>
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Quim Gil]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> In the example of template editors, gadget and tool developers, etc used
> earlier in this thread, how would that apply? Folks just do enough
> templates etc elsewhere and poke a related proposal saying 'yup relevant'
> so interest is known on that end, and then just list their involvements on
> the application?


It would apply exactly in the same way than to the rest of developers.
Getting travel sponsorship to the Summit is not based on "what you do" but
on "what is your participation in the Summit". Someone requesting travel
sponsorship for the Summit must be able to explain their participation in
the discussions leading to the Summit.

-- 
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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Isarra Yos]

On 28/09/15 11:05, Quim Gil wrote:

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Isarra Yos  wrote:


Here's a question. For volunteers or third-party folks less close to core
- suppose we do want to come talk about whatever pertains to us. How do we
bring these things up? How do we propose discussions when they're not our
projects (upstream) and we don't even necessarily know whose projects they
are (I've certainly lost complete track of what WMF teams are which, and
whoever is actually doing/maintaining the stuff can still apparently be
other folks entirely)? Do we just put up a proposal 'talk about blah' and
hope someone who actually knows about blah shows up? If I want to discuss
the future of MF, do I just put up a thing 'the future of MF' and hope it
attracts the relevant attention needed to actually go somewhere?


In the context of the Summit, "talk about blah" becomes a useful session
proposal when the problem of blah is defined, the goals of the session are
defined, and the people and projects related with blah are invited to
participate.

If you want to discuss the future of MobileFrontend, it is useful to define
what problems MobileFrontend has today, and what do you expect to solve
between now and the day of this session at the Summit. #MobileFrontend has
a project in Phabricator, and depending on the problems you might want to
add more projects/tags. If that is not enough to raise attention (it
should), then you have this list and/or mobile-l.


Okay, thanks. That does help clarify things a bit.


See
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016#Call_for_participation
for the fields we expect in all Summit proposals.


Also, something I find particularly confusing is that we need to be heavily

involved in the proposals in order to even be considered for sponsorship
when in a lot of cases volunteers/third party folks may not even in much
position to bring them up in the first place even when we're definitely
impacted. And yet we're also the ones who are most likely to need
sponsorship, being less likely to be already working out of the bay area,
and much less likely to be involved in the general team discussions that
happen throughout the year.


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016#Travel_sponsorship
says "Candidates for travel sponsorship must be active contributors in
ongoing Summit proposals". If a candidate is not active right now in the
specific task, but they can proof their involvement in that topic in other
ways, that is fine as well. We just want to see a clear connection between
the people we sponsor and the activities being planned. It is a sensible
requirement.


In the example of template editors, gadget and tool developers, etc used 
earlier in this thread, how would that apply? Folks just do enough 
templates etc elsewhere and poke a related proposal saying 'yup 
relevant' so interest is known on that end, and then just list their 
involvements on the application?



(And seriously, what's with the timing? So close after new year's, people
are going to be on holiday and plane prices are horrible; for me it'd bring
the price down by over half if it were even just a week later, and others
may be more extreme.)


These dates were not our first option, but the availability of venues in
San Francisco for the Summit and WMF AllHands during those weeks didn't
gave us many alternatives. Also, the Wikimedia Hackathon is very close next
year (end of March). On the other hand, the proximity / overlap with
holidays might make it easier for some (i.e. students) to travel?


Students probably aren't the best example, as it starts the same time as 
classes some places, which means they don't even have the option. (Later 
in the term would allow them to find folks to cover for them, talk to 
professors ahead of time, etc, but missing the beginning, especially if 
they have TA meetings, is a very bad idea for most.)




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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Pine W]

Hi Quim,

For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is there
a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF dev
time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.

Pine
On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:

> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
> projects.
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
>
> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and we
> have already many possible project ideas:
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
>
> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates are
> also wide open for you.
>
> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking for
> microtasks to show their skills.
>
> Questions? Just ask, here or at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
>
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[Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Quim Gil]

A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
projects.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11

Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and we
have already many possible project ideas:

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/

Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates are
also wide open for you.

There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking for
microtasks to show their skills.

Questions? Just ask, here or at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620

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Re: [Wikitech-l] The "other" developers at the Wikimedia Developer Summit

[Quim Gil]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Here's a question. For volunteers or third-party folks less close to core
> - suppose we do want to come talk about whatever pertains to us. How do we
> bring these things up? How do we propose discussions when they're not our
> projects (upstream) and we don't even necessarily know whose projects they
> are (I've certainly lost complete track of what WMF teams are which, and
> whoever is actually doing/maintaining the stuff can still apparently be
> other folks entirely)? Do we just put up a proposal 'talk about blah' and
> hope someone who actually knows about blah shows up? If I want to discuss
> the future of MF, do I just put up a thing 'the future of MF' and hope it
> attracts the relevant attention needed to actually go somewhere?
>

In the context of the Summit, "talk about blah" becomes a useful session
proposal when the problem of blah is defined, the goals of the session are
defined, and the people and projects related with blah are invited to
participate.

If you want to discuss the future of MobileFrontend, it is useful to define
what problems MobileFrontend has today, and what do you expect to solve
between now and the day of this session at the Summit. #MobileFrontend has
a project in Phabricator, and depending on the problems you might want to
add more projects/tags. If that is not enough to raise attention (it
should), then you have this list and/or mobile-l.

See
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016#Call_for_participation
for the fields we expect in all Summit proposals.


Also, something I find particularly confusing is that we need to be heavily
> involved in the proposals in order to even be considered for sponsorship
> when in a lot of cases volunteers/third party folks may not even in much
> position to bring them up in the first place even when we're definitely
> impacted. And yet we're also the ones who are most likely to need
> sponsorship, being less likely to be already working out of the bay area,
> and much less likely to be involved in the general team discussions that
> happen throughout the year.


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016#Travel_sponsorship
says "Candidates for travel sponsorship must be active contributors in
ongoing Summit proposals". If a candidate is not active right now in the
specific task, but they can proof their involvement in that topic in other
ways, that is fine as well. We just want to see a clear connection between
the people we sponsor and the activities being planned. It is a sensible
requirement.



> (And seriously, what's with the timing? So close after new year's, people
> are going to be on holiday and plane prices are horrible; for me it'd bring
> the price down by over half if it were even just a week later, and others
> may be more extreme.)


These dates were not our first option, but the availability of venues in
San Francisco for the Summit and WMF AllHands during those weeks didn't
gave us many alternatives. Also, the Wikimedia Hackathon is very close next
year (end of March). On the other hand, the proximity / overlap with
holidays might make it easier for some (i.e. students) to travel?

-- 
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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
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