Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[יגאל חיטרון]

Hi. It's me again. Now I can check this out, and it's very good, indeed.
Igal


2017-11-22 21:37 GMT+02:00 Stas Malyshev :

> Hi!
>
> > haha, awesome!
> >
> > thanks a lot :-)
>
> Confirming, looks great for me now. And congratulations to the team on
> the release of this excellent feature!
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [AI] New ORES FAQ

[Bryan Davis]

(dropped ai@ from the CC)

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Gergo Tisza  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Aaron Halfaker 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought Wikitech makes sense for a wikimedia-specific initiative.
>>
>
> A documentation SIG is not really Wikimedia-specific though (or did you
> mean "ORES documentation SIG" specifically?).

Sarah is working on technical writing projects related specifically to
ORES and Cloud Services this quarter (and hopefully for many more
quarters to come). This work is part of the "technical community
building" program from the Technology department's annual plan [0].

Sarah can jump in to say more, but my understanding is that the
initial work of the SIGDOCS is intended to be focused pretty narrowly
on ORES, Cloud VPS, and Toolforge. That certainly does not mean that
we do not have other documentation gaps (we do) or that others are
barred from organizing to work on things like MediaWiki API docs (they
are not). It does mean however that we are making choices about focus
with the hope that this will help make more actionable plans about
which docs to work on first and what sort of work to do.

> Also, most Wikimedia-specific technology initiatives are on mw.org (all the
> Audiences projects, for example).

Where the tracking page for SIGDOCS lives is probably the least
important issue related to organizing the group, but I think your
point is well taken.

> Due to being managed differently, wikitech is not a great work environment
> IMO. There is no unified login, no page translation support, no structured
> discussion support, no pageview metrics, the registration process is tied
> to creating LDAP and shell accounts... There are plans to improve this
> eventually [1], but between that and the audience differences, I'd stay
> away for now.

All of this is true, but then also very false when you learn that
improving the Cloud VPS and Toolforge docs is at least 50% of the
project to be undertaken.


I'd like to second Gergo's initial enthusiasm about Sarah stepping up
to help organize work on documentation. She has a great background in
technical writing as individual contributor and experience in teaching
writing related topics that I hope we can all leverage to get better
at the craft of making clear and useful documentation.


[0] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Technology#Program_4:_Technical_community_building
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123425

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Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Stas Malyshev]

Hi!

> haha, awesome!
>
> thanks a lot :-)

Confirming, looks great for me now. And congratulations to the team on
the release of this excellent feature!

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[Wikitech-l] 2017-11-22 Scrum of Scrums meeting notes

[Grace Gellerman]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums/2017-11-22

= 2017-11-22 =
== Callouts ==
* If you use and process Parsoid HTML, please test your code with Parsoid
master (merged patches for section tag addition + use of figure-inline tag)
* It looks like Remex got turned off on the cluster on Oct 26 as part of
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T178632 .. I didn't know about this till
last week (because of some gaps in Phab notifications). When you switch off
a feature in production, please make sure the responsible folks know about
it.  :-)
* [Performance] Seeing some performance regressions being reported under
Firefox 57; working with Mozilla to understand whether these are real or if
they're due to a bug in FF57 NavTiming.
* node service-runner provides node GC metrics to statsd from v2.4.3 so all
node services can have it out of the box
* Biggest fundraising campaign of the year starts Tuesday - please
double-check with fr-tech if you're about to do anything that might affect
CentralNotice or donatewiki.

== Audiences ==
=== Readers ===
 iOS native app 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates: still working on 5.8
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/2913/

 Android native app 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:

 Reading Web 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** A print button was added to the mobile site
** We made progress with working out how to deploy Chromium inside
puppeteer and are continuing to work with services  to get the pdf render
service up and running

 Reading Infrastructure 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** working on Reading Lists performance improvements, hoping to deploy next
week
** work continues on summary and media endpoints

 Multimedia 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates: WMDE is moving on some work for MediaInfo, in the meantime
Multimedia is focusing on 3D, which should be ready to move out in early
December.

 Discovery 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** Deployed SVGs on www.wikipedia.org portal


= Maps =
* Blocked by: None
* Blocking: None
* Updates:
** Paul attended training at PGConf Seattle and intends to put together a
learning session
** Ops person out this week


=== Community Tech ===
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** we were mostly conducting our survey.

=== Contributors ===
 Editing 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:

 Parsing 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** Next big Parsoid deploy
*** section-tag and figure-inline-tag patches merged; YET to bump HTML
version number to 1.6.0
*** html5 ids patch in WIP; depending on how that goes, we may bundle that
with the next deploy with a HTML version bump from 1.5.0 -> 1.6.0;
*** If you use and process Parsoid HTML, please test your code with Parsoid
master
*** Parsoid should be backward compatible for the html -> wikitext
direction; we should be able to process v1.5.0 or the newer HTML (or some
combination of the two as well :)). Please report bugs if you see any
problems.
*** If testing early next week goes okay and we get a green from everyone,
we will deploy next Thursday. If not, will push to the following week
** Tidy replacement
*** It looks like Remex got turned off on the cluster on Oct 26 as part of
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T178632 -- for whatever reason, Phab
didn't notify me when James added me to the ticket, and Tim may not have
known either. I've added both of us to the RemexHTML project .. so
hopefully will receive project notifications in the future. But, when you
switch off a feature in production, please make sure the responsible folks
know about it.  :-)
*** Tim has fixed the problem and the fix will go out next week.
** Linter
*** Over the last week, I finished running a script to re-generate linter
issues for all pages on all (active) wikis. This should hopefully have
initialized linter issues for all wikis (and removed false positives based
on Parsoid fixes).

 Global Collaboration 
* Blocked by: nobody
* Blocking: ops on dumps, Roan STILL hasn't talked to Ariel, apologies
again, talking to Ariel as we speak
* Updates:
** Translate extension's RC filters are now converted to the new system,
that means almost all WMF wikis are fully converted except super edge cases
like incubator
** Live update on RC will probably be deployed next week, stay tuned for
announcement


 Contributors Design 
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:


== Technology ==
=== Analytics ===
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:

=== Cloud Services ===
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** Annual Toolforge survey kicked off on Monday; will run for 2 weeks --
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T177126
** After much load testing we think Labvirt1015 is fit for duty.
** Andrew back from vacation
** Cloud VPS instances were switched to use Puppet's future parser on Monday

=== MediaWiki Platform ===
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:

=== Performance ===
* Blocked by:
* Blocking:
* Updates:
** 

Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Birgit Müller]

haha, awesome!

thanks a lot :-)

2017-11-22 18:30 GMT+01:00 Chad :

> Actually, I went ahead and deployed that fix now.
>
> I use Timeless and I want to use advanced search too :p
>
> -Chad
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:32 AM Birgit Müller  >
> wrote:
>
> > The main issues with timeless skin are fixed and will be deployed in next
> > weeks' train:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106
> >
> > Stas & Igal: Thanks for the reports!
> >
> > Birgit
> >
> >
> > 2017-11-22 1:01 GMT+01:00 יגאל חיטרון :
> >
> > > You are right. I just checked, vector works for me either. Thank you
> all.
> > > Igal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 22, 2017 01:50, "Stas Malyshev" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > > Hello, Birgit. Unfortunately, I can't open a phab ticket, because I'm
> > on
> > > > mobile, and there is no way to upload a file to phabricator from
> > mobile.
> > > > So, I'll answer you here. I'm on Lollipop, use internal browser,
> > timeless
> > > > skin. I can't make a screenshot from this device, so I did it on
> > another
> > >
> > > Likely there's a problem with timeless, see:
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106
> > >
> > > Vector works fine for me though. I guess that's why it's "beta" :)
> > >
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Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Chad]

Actually, I went ahead and deployed that fix now.

I use Timeless and I want to use advanced search too :p

-Chad

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:32 AM Birgit Müller 
wrote:

> The main issues with timeless skin are fixed and will be deployed in next
> weeks' train:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106
>
> Stas & Igal: Thanks for the reports!
>
> Birgit
>
>
> 2017-11-22 1:01 GMT+01:00 יגאל חיטרון :
>
> > You are right. I just checked, vector works for me either. Thank you all.
> > Igal
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2017 01:50, "Stas Malyshev"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > > Hello, Birgit. Unfortunately, I can't open a phab ticket, because I'm
> on
> > > mobile, and there is no way to upload a file to phabricator from
> mobile.
> > > So, I'll answer you here. I'm on Lollipop, use internal browser,
> timeless
> > > skin. I can't make a screenshot from this device, so I did it on
> another
> >
> > Likely there's a problem with timeless, see:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106
> >
> > Vector works fine for me though. I guess that's why it's "beta" :)
> >
> > --
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> > smalys...@wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [AI] New ORES FAQ

[Aaron Halfaker]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Salmo_trutta.jpg

Please stay on topic.  This thread is about the ORES FAQ.  If you would
like to debate about Which Wiki Is The Right Wiki for SIGDOCS, please start
a new thread.  I'm sure Sarah will be happy to discuss the initiative and
its history in that thread.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Gergo Tisza  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Aaron Halfaker 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought Wikitech makes sense for a wikimedia-specific initiative.
>>
>
> A documentation SIG is not really Wikimedia-specific though (or did you
> mean "ORES documentation SIG" specifically?).
> Also, most Wikimedia-specific technology initiatives are on mw.org (all
> the Audiences projects, for example).
>
> Wikitech was originally a place for ops documentation. (It has its own
> infrastructure and deploy cadence, so it's unaffected by most failures;
> also it's small enough for static HTML dumps. When the site is down and you
> are scrambling to bring it back, it's a good thing when your operations
> docs aren't also down.) Later Labs needed a management interface which got
> tucked onto Wikitech (this was one of those "do everything inside
> MediaWiki" eras), so it made sense to put all Labs-related documentation on
> wikitech as well. Most other things are on mediawiki.org. There were
> various proposals over the years to change that (move wikitech content to
> mediawiki.org, move all WMF stuff to wikitech, move all WMF stuff to
> meta, move all non-MediaWiki-documentation stuff to a new developer wiki
> etc.) but none of them gained much momentum.
>
> Due to being managed differently, wikitech is not a great work environment
> IMO. There is no unified login, no page translation support, no structured
> discussion support, no pageview metrics, the registration process is tied
> to creating LDAP and shell accounts... There are plans to improve this
> eventually [1], but between that and the audience differences, I'd stay
> away for now.
>
> Btw you are probably aware of the past discussion on a documentation SIG,
> but just in case: [2]
>
>
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123425
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156301
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[Wikitech-l] Help wanted: "Web API" vs. "Action API" vs. "REST API" in docs on mediawiki.org

[Andre Klapper]

Hi, 

I'm looking for someone who has ~15 minutes to check (and potentially
update) the ten mediawiki.org pages listed in 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173815#3673839 
I'd like to see the term "web API" replaced by either "action API" or
"REST API" to clarify for developers which API those pages refer to. 

So if you feel knowledgeable enough in this area: 
Your help on that Phabricator task is welcome! 

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Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Birgit Müller]

The main issues with timeless skin are fixed and will be deployed in next
weeks' train:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106

Stas & Igal: Thanks for the reports!

Birgit


2017-11-22 1:01 GMT+01:00 יגאל חיטרון :

> You are right. I just checked, vector works for me either. Thank you all.
> Igal
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2017 01:50, "Stas Malyshev"  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> > Hello, Birgit. Unfortunately, I can't open a phab ticket, because I'm on
> > mobile, and there is no way to upload a file to phabricator from mobile.
> > So, I'll answer you here. I'm on Lollipop, use internal browser, timeless
> > skin. I can't make a screenshot from this device, so I did it on another
>
> Likely there's a problem with timeless, see:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181106
>
> Vector works fine for me though. I guess that's why it's "beta" :)
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Birgit Müller]

Hey,

2017-11-22 13:49 GMT+01:00 Derk-Jan Hartman :

> Really impressive !
>

thanks :-)

>
> I wonder if we can add to the information page, the reasoning that
> went into selecting which of the advanced options to include, and
> which to exclude.
>

Good point! We can summarize the reasoning and add it to the info page by
beginning/mid of next week, so that it's available before the next
deployments.

Birgit


>
> DJ
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:10 AM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
> > Wow. Thanks a lot! But you really should add a direct link to editing
> menu.
> > Igal
> >
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2017 02:02, "bawolff"  wrote:
> >
> >> Just for reference, you can upload files to phab from mobile by going
> >> to http://phabricator.wikimedia.org/file/upload (Yeah, its the most
> >> hidden thing ever)
> >>
> >> --
> >> bawolff
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:47 PM, יגאל חיטרון 
> wrote:
> >> > Hello, Birgit. Unfortunately, I can't open a phab ticket, because I'm
> on
> >> > mobile, and there is no way to upload a file to phabricator from
> mobile.
> >> > So, I'll answer you here. I'm on Lollipop, use internal browser,
> timeless
> >> > skin. I can't make a screenshot from this device, so I did it on
> another
> >> > one, almost the same, just another OS version. And the result looks
> >> > completely different there, but still broken, see the file attached,
> all
> >> > the section captures are almost hidden. Hope it helps,
> >> > Igal.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 22, 2017 01:12, "Birgit Müller" 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Igal,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for letting us know! Could you maybe give a bit more details
> >> (e.g.
> >> >> the skin you use, operating system) and make a screenshot so that we
> can
> >> >> look into it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Best place to report that would be directly in Phabricator, project
> tag
> >> is
> >> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/advanced-search/.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thans and cheers,
> >> >> Birgit
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2017-11-21 23:51 GMT+01:00 יגאל חיטרון :
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hello. Great idea indeed. But it does not work. I just opted in,
> and I
> >> >> can
> >> >> > only see broken rectangles and partial captures. Looks like a huge
> css
> >> >> > problem.
> >> >> > User:IKhitron (Igal)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Nov 21, 2017 23:02, "Birgit Müller" <
> birgit.muel...@wikimedia.de>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (sorry for cross-posting ...)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hello all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > we're really happy to announce that the new AdvancedSearch
> interface
> >> got
> >> >> > deployed as a beta feature to Mediawiki.org and test just 2 hours
> ago.
> >> >> [1]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > AdvancedSearch enhances Special:Search through an advanced
> parameters
> >> >> form
> >> >> > and aims to make existing search options more visible and
> accessible
> >> for
> >> >> > everyone. [2]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The feature is a project by WMDE's Tech team and originates from
> the
> >> >> > Technical Wishes project. Many other people and teams helped making
> >> this
> >> >> > project happen, so stay tuned for the thank you section at the end
> of
> >> >> this
> >> >> > email :-) [3]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *Why AdvancedSearch*
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Search has great options to perform advanced queries, but often
> >> even
> >> >> > experienced editors don't know about it - this is what we found out
> >> when
> >> >> we
> >> >> > were conducting a workshop series on advanced search in several
> >> cities in
> >> >> > Germany in 2016. Together with contributors from German Wikipedia
> >> we've
> >> >> > discussed their desired search queries, explained how the syntax
> works
> >> >> and
> >> >> > how keywords like "hastemplate", "filetype" or "intitle" can be
> used
> >> and
> >> >> > combined to get the desired results.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The idea for the AdvancedSearch feature results out of these
> >> workshops,
> >> >> > where we not only discussed search but also designed first mocks
> for
> >> an
> >> >> > advanced search interface. [4]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *The first version, more deployments and other next
> >> steps*AdvancedSearch
> >> >> > supports some of the special search options the WMF's search team
> has
> >> >> been
> >> >> > implemented in the last years. The way the interface works, users
> >> don't
> >> >> > have to know the syntax behind each search field, but they can
> learn
> >> >> about
> >> >> > it if they want to. The first version of the feature comes with a
> >> first
> >> >> > selection of advanced search options, e.g. including support for
> >> >> > "hastemplate" or "intitle". The WMF's search team has started to
> work
> >> on
> >> >> a
> >> >> > 'deepcat' functionality to make sub category search happen. We
> plan to
> >> >> add
> >> >> > support for this in the 

Re: [Wikitech-l] AdvancedSearch beta feature now on Mediawiki

[Derk-Jan Hartman]

Really impressive !

I wonder if we can add to the information page, the reasoning that
went into selecting which of the advanced options to include, and
which to exclude.

DJ

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 1:10 AM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
> Wow. Thanks a lot! But you really should add a direct link to editing menu.
> Igal
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2017 02:02, "bawolff"  wrote:
>
>> Just for reference, you can upload files to phab from mobile by going
>> to http://phabricator.wikimedia.org/file/upload (Yeah, its the most
>> hidden thing ever)
>>
>> --
>> bawolff
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:47 PM, יגאל חיטרון  wrote:
>> > Hello, Birgit. Unfortunately, I can't open a phab ticket, because I'm on
>> > mobile, and there is no way to upload a file to phabricator from mobile.
>> > So, I'll answer you here. I'm on Lollipop, use internal browser, timeless
>> > skin. I can't make a screenshot from this device, so I did it on another
>> > one, almost the same, just another OS version. And the result looks
>> > completely different there, but still broken, see the file attached, all
>> > the section captures are almost hidden. Hope it helps,
>> > Igal.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 22, 2017 01:12, "Birgit Müller" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Igal,
>> >>
>> >> thanks for letting us know! Could you maybe give a bit more details
>> (e.g.
>> >> the skin you use, operating system) and make a screenshot so that we can
>> >> look into it?
>> >>
>> >> Best place to report that would be directly in Phabricator, project tag
>> is
>> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/advanced-search/.
>> >>
>> >> Thans and cheers,
>> >> Birgit
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-11-21 23:51 GMT+01:00 יגאל חיטרון :
>> >>
>> >> > Hello. Great idea indeed. But it does not work. I just opted in, and I
>> >> can
>> >> > only see broken rectangles and partial captures. Looks like a huge css
>> >> > problem.
>> >> > User:IKhitron (Igal)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Nov 21, 2017 23:02, "Birgit Müller" 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > (sorry for cross-posting ...)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello all,
>> >> >
>> >> > we're really happy to announce that the new AdvancedSearch interface
>> got
>> >> > deployed as a beta feature to Mediawiki.org and test just 2 hours ago.
>> >> [1]
>> >> >
>> >> > AdvancedSearch enhances Special:Search through an advanced parameters
>> >> form
>> >> > and aims to make existing search options more visible and accessible
>> for
>> >> > everyone. [2]
>> >> >
>> >> > The feature is a project by WMDE's Tech team and originates from the
>> >> > Technical Wishes project. Many other people and teams helped making
>> this
>> >> > project happen, so stay tuned for the thank you section at the end of
>> >> this
>> >> > email :-) [3]
>> >> >
>> >> > *Why AdvancedSearch*
>> >> >
>> >> > The Search has great options to perform advanced queries, but often
>> even
>> >> > experienced editors don't know about it - this is what we found out
>> when
>> >> we
>> >> > were conducting a workshop series on advanced search in several
>> cities in
>> >> > Germany in 2016. Together with contributors from German Wikipedia
>> we've
>> >> > discussed their desired search queries, explained how the syntax works
>> >> and
>> >> > how keywords like "hastemplate", "filetype" or "intitle" can be used
>> and
>> >> > combined to get the desired results.
>> >> >
>> >> > The idea for the AdvancedSearch feature results out of these
>> workshops,
>> >> > where we not only discussed search but also designed first mocks for
>> an
>> >> > advanced search interface. [4]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > *The first version, more deployments and other next
>> steps*AdvancedSearch
>> >> > supports some of the special search options the WMF's search team has
>> >> been
>> >> > implemented in the last years. The way the interface works, users
>> don't
>> >> > have to know the syntax behind each search field, but they can learn
>> >> about
>> >> > it if they want to. The first version of the feature comes with a
>> first
>> >> > selection of advanced search options, e.g. including support for
>> >> > "hastemplate" or "intitle". The WMF's search team has started to work
>> on
>> >> a
>> >> > 'deepcat' functionality to make sub category search happen. We plan to
>> >> add
>> >> > support for this in the future, too.
>> >> >
>> >> > If all goes well, we plan to deploy the beta feature on German and
>> Arabic
>> >> > Wikipedia by Wednesday, Nov 29. [5]
>> >> >
>> >> > In the next 2-3 months we'd love to invite everyone to test the new
>> >> feature
>> >> > on those wikis: Comments, thoughs, bug reports ... - any feedback is
>> much
>> >> > appreciated!
>> >> >
>> >> > Please see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:AdvancedSearch for
>> how to
>> >> > use AdvancedSearch.
>> >> >
>> >> > Deployments to other wikis can follow later.
>> >> >
>> >> > *Thank you 

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for a developer support channel

[Quim Gil]

Hi, just a note to say that a test Discourse instance with a Sandbox for
all kinds of tests is available at https://discourse.wmflabs.org/c/Sandbox

This is an instance that Ad Huikeshoven and others set up almost a couple
of years ago to explore Discourse as a complement to mailing lists (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124690). *This is not the instance where
the developers support pilot will be run*, but it is just as good to test
Discourse.

Thanks to Sam Wilson for resuscitating this instance, and to Ad and other
promoters for setting it up in the first place.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Jan Dittrich 
wrote:

> I am admin of a discourse community (https://discourse.
> opensourcedesign.net/)
> and could answer questions about its use, if you are interested.
>
> Jan
>
>
> 2017-11-20 10:10 GMT+00:00 Florian Schmidt <
> florian.schmidt.wel...@t-online.de>:
>
> > I totally agree, that it's very unlikely, that we can solve the problem
> of
> > having newcomers ask the same questions over and over again with a
> > technical tool, however, it's probably easier for people who _wants_ to
> > search before they ask, if they've the possibility to do so. This is most
> > likely not all of the newcomers, but isn't it still worth it? :D
> >
> > Best,
> > Florian
> >
> > -Original-Nachricht-
> > Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal for a developer support channel
> > Datum: 2017-11-19T23:41:29+0100
> > Von: "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" 
> > An: "Wikimedia developers" 
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Niharika Kohli 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'd like to add that having Discourse will provide the one thing IRC
> > > channels and mailing lists fail to - search capabilities. If you
> hangout
> > on
> > > the #mediawiki IRC channel, you have probably noticed that we get a lot
> > of
> > > repeat questions all the time. This would save everyone time and
> effort.
> > >
> >
> > No discussion system I've ever seen has managed to solve the problem of
> > people asking the same question instead of searching for past replies.
> I'm
> > skeptical that this new one will be any different.
> >
> > Yes, the existing mailing lists have issues with searchability, although
> to
> > a large extent that's due to a misguided robots.txt policy preventing the
> > archives from being indexed in the first place.
> >
> >
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