Re: [Wikitech-l] Fetching edit notices via API

[Bryan Davis]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 8:02 PM Bryan Davis  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 5:02 PM Huji Lee  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Is there an API call that would allow you to retrieve the edit notice for a
> > page?
>
> I did not find a specific Action API that does this, but the edit
> notices themselves are found at predictable URLs per
> :
> * MediaWiki:Editnotice- (where N is the namespace id)
> * MediaWiki:Editnotice-- (where any '/' in the title is
> replaced with '-')
>
> You could also find all editnotice messages for a wiki using a prefix
> search generator:



(sorry for the early post on the prior message)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fetching edit notices via API

[Bryan Davis]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 5:02 PM Huji Lee  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Is there an API call that would allow you to retrieve the edit notice for a
> page?

I did not find a specific Action API that does this, but the edit
notices themselves are found at predictable URLs per
:
* MediaWiki:Editnotice- (where N is the namespace id)
* MediaWiki:Editnotice-- (where any '/' in the title is
replaced with '-')

You could also find all editnotice messages for a wiki using a prefix
search generator:

Bryan
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[Wikitech-l] Fetching edit notices via API

[Huji Lee]

Hi all,
Is there an API call that would allow you to retrieve the edit notice for a
page?
Huji

PS: I would ask it on Discourse, except
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T222045
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[John Erling Blad]

It is either the limit for unedited automatic translations that is set way
to high, or an admin that blames Google for whatever translated text (s)he
find. The later is not uncommon in Norwegian, even if the admins are told
several times ContentTranslation does not use Google for Norwegian
translations. (There might be some weird language where it is used.)

Not sure where I found it, but someone (somewhere) has said that the
ideographic signs in Chinese is fairly easy to translate. (Don't tell any
Chinese ideographic signs are easy, they believe they are extremely
difficult!) It is similar to the Nynorsk – Bokmål problem, the limits are
set fairly strict, meaning a lot of content has to change, which implies
publishing of the text will be blocked.

Which reminds me that the limits for Nynorsk – Bokmål should be further
relaxed.

Use of simple limits has a nasty effect; users tend to add filler-words to
increase the amount of edited text, instead they should delete unnecessary
constructs.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Alex Monk]

Working link to l10n-bot's dashboard:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/137

On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:12, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> I'm still not able to open the link
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, but I
> am able to open this for example:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:labs/tools/crosswatch
>
> And it indeed looks like there are a few stuck patches from L10n-bot.
>
> This is not supposed to happen. They are supposed to be automatically
> merged.
>
> Looks like a continuous integration (CI) bug somewhere, but I'm not sure
> where exactly. Can you please report a Phabricator ticket with the
> translatewiki tag, and with a list of all the tools that are failing?
>
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> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-15:03 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The link works for me. But let me get a list of the tools copied over
> here;
> >
> > - …/tools/crosswatch
> > - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> > <
> >
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fcommons-mass-description+status:open
> > >
> > - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
> > - …/tools/map-of-monuments
> > <
> >
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fmap-of-monuments+status:open
> > >
> > - wikimedia/portals
> > - wikimedia/wikimania-scholarships
> > - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> > - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
> >
> > Again, for benefit of doubt, here is the link @Amir:
> > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, it
> > should work or you can just check the dashboard of l10n-bot on Gerrit.
> > Thanks
> >
> > *--*
> > *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:X-Savitar>>*
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 12:37 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
> > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> >
> > > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-12:16 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> > > alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Looking at
> > > > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net,
> > > there
> > > > are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to
> > > false
> > > > positives?
> > >
> > >
> > > The link doesn't work for me.
> > >
> > > Which tools are you talking about?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Developer account creation - Way forward

[Andre Klapper]

Hi,

On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 21:06 +0530, Jay prakash wrote:
> Hi, I am voluntarily working with CIS to conduct various MediaWiki Traning
> programmes in Indian Universities.[1] We have already conducted two
> training programmes. Now the third iteration of the MediaWiki Traning
> programme is planned for 21 May 2019 at Christ University.[2] But due to
> being Developer account creation temporarily disabled[3], New contributor
> will not able to create the account. So what should be way forward? Should
> we postpone the event or account creation will available before the 21 May

As far as I'm aware there is a good chance that account creation will
become available again in the next 2 or 3 weeks. (Obviously that'll
require not to run into unforeseen new technical obstacles though.)

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Derick Alangi]

Hi Amir,

Task filed, see: T222035. Thanks!

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On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 1:12 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> I'm still not able to open the link
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, but I
> am able to open this for example:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:labs/tools/crosswatch
>
> And it indeed looks like there are a few stuck patches from L10n-bot.
>
> This is not supposed to happen. They are supposed to be automatically
> merged.
>
> Looks like a continuous integration (CI) bug somewhere, but I'm not sure
> where exactly. Can you please report a Phabricator ticket with the
> translatewiki tag, and with a list of all the tools that are failing?
>
> --
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> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-15:03 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The link works for me. But let me get a list of the tools copied over
> here;
> >
> > - …/tools/crosswatch
> > - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> > <
> >
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fcommons-mass-description+status:open
> > >
> > - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
> > - …/tools/map-of-monuments
> > <
> >
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fmap-of-monuments+status:open
> > >
> > - wikimedia/portals
> > - wikimedia/wikimania-scholarships
> > - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> > - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
> >
> > Again, for benefit of doubt, here is the link @Amir:
> > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, it
> > should work or you can just check the dashboard of l10n-bot on Gerrit.
> > Thanks
> >
> > *--*
> > *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:X-Savitar>>*
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 12:37 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
> > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> >
> > > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-12:16 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> > > alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Looking at
> > > > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net,
> > > there
> > > > are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to
> > > false
> > > > positives?
> > >
> > >
> > > The link doesn't work for me.
> > >
> > > Which tools are you talking about?
> > > ___
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Amir E. Aharoni]

I'm still not able to open the link
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, but I
am able to open this for example:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:labs/tools/crosswatch

And it indeed looks like there are a few stuck patches from L10n-bot.

This is not supposed to happen. They are supposed to be automatically
merged.

Looks like a continuous integration (CI) bug somewhere, but I'm not sure
where exactly. Can you please report a Phabricator ticket with the
translatewiki tag, and with a list of all the tools that are failing?

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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬


‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-15:03 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

> Hi,
>
> The link works for me. But let me get a list of the tools copied over here;
>
> - …/tools/crosswatch
> - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> <
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fcommons-mass-description+status:open
> >
> - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
> - …/tools/map-of-monuments
> <
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/q/project:labs%252Ftools%252Fmap-of-monuments+status:open
> >
> - wikimedia/portals
> - wikimedia/wikimania-scholarships
> - …/tools/commons-mass-description
> - …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
>
> Again, for benefit of doubt, here is the link @Amir:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, it
> should work or you can just check the dashboard of l10n-bot on Gerrit.
> Thanks
>
> *--*
> *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:X-Savitar>>*
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 12:37 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
> > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-12:16 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> > alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Looking at
> > > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net,
> > there
> > > are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to
> > false
> > > positives?
> >
> >
> > The link doesn't work for me.
> >
> > Which tools are you talking about?
> > ___
> > Wikitech-l mailing list
> > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Derick Alangi]

Hi,

The link works for me. But let me get a list of the tools copied over here;

- …/tools/crosswatch
- …/tools/commons-mass-description

- …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description
- …/tools/map-of-monuments

- wikimedia/portals
- wikimedia/wikimania-scholarships
- …/tools/commons-mass-description
- …/tools/weapon-of-mass-description

Again, for benefit of doubt, here is the link @Amir:
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, it
should work or you can just check the dashboard of l10n-bot on Gerrit.
Thanks

*--*
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On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 12:37 PM Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-12:16 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
> alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Looking at
> > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net,
> there
> > are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to
> false
> > positives?
>
>
> The link doesn't work for me.
>
> Which tools are you talking about?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Amir E. Aharoni]

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-12:16 מאת ‪Derick Alangi‬‏ <‪
alangider...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

> Hi,
>
> Looking at
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, there
> are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to false
> positives?


The link doesn't work for me.

Which tools are you talking about?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[Amir E. Aharoni]

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-13:58 מאת ‪Vi to‬‏ <‪vituzzu.w...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

> If usage of Google translate at any stage is detected by such a raw
> technology as abusefilter is, then there's something wrong with the
> subsequent editing.
>

I don't think that this is happening. It is probably impossible.


> It seems zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations, it would be *so*
> wrong to go in the opposite direction.
>

Have you seen reports that zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations
or do you deduce this from the email that started this thread?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[Vi to]

If usage of Google translate at any stage is detected by such a raw
technology as abusefilter is, then there's something wrong with the
subsequent editing.

It seems zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations, it would be *so*
wrong to go in the opposite direction.

Vito

Il giorno dom 28 apr 2019 alle ore 11:01  ha scritto:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
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>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[Amir E. Aharoni]

As an immediate remedy, you can try clicking on the gear icon near the
Publish button and selecting to publish to a draft page. Most likely it
won't be affected by the AbuseFilter. After the initial publishing you'll
be able to move the page to the article space. (Of course, it may be a good
idea to improve the page further before moving to the article space.)

Google Translation is most likely unrelated to this.

For a more detailed discussion I recommend this talk page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:CX

Our team develops Content Translation, and we are very interested in
feedback from single users and from events like this, so please keep it
coming.

You can also reach me quickly on Telegram: @amire80

בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019, 12:02, מאת ‏:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>
> Wikipedia:   Ilario
>   http://www.wikimedia.ch
>
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[Daimona]

For what concerns the AbuseFilter part, it sounds like some flaky on-wiki
filter. However, I need links to check that: for instance, a few links to
the users who triggered the filter (and the wiki where the filter was
triggered).


Il giorno dom 28 apr 2019 alle ore 11:01  ha scritto:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>
> Wikipedia:   Ilario
>   http://www.wikimedia.ch
>
>
>
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[Wikitech-l] Pending (false positive?) translations on Gerrit to Toolforge tools

[Derick Alangi]

Hi,

Looking at
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/dashboard/l10n-...@translatewiki.net, there
are pending translations to Toolforge tools which are failing due to false
positives? AFAIK, Raimond usually cleans such up for MW extensions but I'm
not sure for tools.

So please if anyone knows the maintainers of these tools, he/she can just
add them so they can review these translations and merge them? For a while
now, they've been stacking on each other.

Thanks!
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[Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

[valdelli]

Hi all,

We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
translator with some complicated issues.

 

The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the AbuseFIlter
says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the participant
has modified the text.

 

This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?

 

We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
does it automatically.

 

In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.

 

May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
we are not doing some mistakes?

 

Kind regards

 

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Ilario Valdelli

Education Program manager and community liaison

Wikimedia CH
Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
Switzerland - 8008 Zürich

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