Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 14:08 -0700, Ori Livneh wrote: Extension was dropped today. Lovely! Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a blinkDo not use, go for EventLogging instead/blink box? AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component ClickTracking be closed for new bug entry? Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On 4/12/13, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 14:08 -0700, Ori Livneh wrote: Extension was dropped today. Lovely! Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a blinkDo not use, go for EventLogging instead/blink box? AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component ClickTracking be closed for new bug entry? Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead. For the record, if anyone ever uses blink (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P Think of the kittens, don't blink ;) --bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Friday, April 12, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: Should http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking get a blinkDo not use, go for EventLogging instead/blink box? I'm not sure, to be honest. There's some overlap (both provide some facility for pushing analytic data to the servers) but it pretty much ends there. ClickTracking uses the MediaWiki API as the logging endpoint which ended up being unsuitable for our production environment, and it doesn't provide tooling for structuring data, which made managing concurrent data collection jobs challenging. But it can still be a perfectly adequate solution for smaller wikis, depending on the use-case. AFAIK, ClickTracking depends on UserDailyContribs. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserDailyContribs states that UserDailyContribs is still deployed on WMF servers. Is phasing out UserDailyContribs also planned? It's still listed on https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt It's a good idea! I'll check around first to see if it's being used by anyone. It's possible that there are analysts that utilize this data even if there is no code that depends on it. (Paging Dario..!) Are the remaining two open ClickTracking bug reports WONTFIX? Shall the Bugzilla component ClickTracking be closed for new bug entry? Well, IWONTFIXTHEM. I got burnt by ClickTracking once or twice (mostly my own stupidity, I'll admit) and I never want to deal with it again. The extension's original authors have likewise moved on to bigger and better things. I propose we wait a bit and see if any third-party users come out of the woodwork, in which case we should certainly retain the component and try to provide some casual level of support, for the sake of the MediaWiki ecosystem. If some time passes and it turns out that we were indeed the only users, then let's close it. -- Ori Livneh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead. For the record, if anyone ever uses blink (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P Think of the kittens, don't blink ;) Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-blink-tag So many kittens can now grow up ;-) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
to cut out this defect of webkit with css: https://github.com/madrobby/blink Lukas Am Fr 12.04.2013 14:12, schrieb Chad: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead. For the record, if anyone ever uses blink (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P Think of the kittens, don't blink ;) Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-blink-tag So many kittens can now grow up ;-) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
Hi everyone! Aren't you too quick about this phasing out thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything. The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging. - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: to cut out this defect of webkit with css: https://github.com/madrobby/blink Lukas Am Fr 12.04.2013 14:12, schrieb Chad: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I took the liberty of adding a note to the extension page to say use the other extension instead. For the record, if anyone ever uses blink (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P Think of the kittens, don't blink ;) Webkit doesn't support blink. Looks like Gecko may follow: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/04/09/1445233/gecko-may-drop-the-blink-tag So many kittens can now grow up ;-) -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! Aren't you too quick about this phasing out thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything. The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging. Did anyone other than WMF use clicktracking? - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
ha-ha, that sounds very innocently. :D Yes, it's one of the dependencies of ArticleFeedback. By the way, I think this project is a-we-so-me because it allows you to check who use the extension: http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Extension:Click_Tracking - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! Aren't you too quick about this phasing out thing? First of all the term is pretty weird - if the current maintainer don't want to support the extension anymore we use [[Template:Unmaintained_extension]] and ideally search for new maintainer don't we? The fact that the maintainer is WMF doesn't have to change anything. The second thing is that Click Tracking requires the current version of MediaWiki and this makes it useful extension for the next year or two. Not many people use the devel version of MW which is need for Event Logging. Did anyone other than WMF use clicktracking? - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [replies inline with quoted message(s)] On 4/12/2013 5:03 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: [...snip...] For the record, if anyone ever uses blink (or the equivalent code that actually gets through Sanitizer.php) on MW.org, a unicorn kills a kitten :P Think of the kittens, don't blink ;) I thought we weren't supposed to use blink tags because they attracted Weeping Angels. :P - -- Sincerely, Andrew FastLizard4 Adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRaGScAAoJECIaYn3XbiYWTfQQAIsZ/rj82bRfg7LK5fUn23ZJ u6C70aYaykEhgZ+2TSl9oteJ+Evb/88mEfSEawU/PHmb00L7CCF2onf5K8OrjIqg AP2X8mQYraVdK16GdKN3N575uQaKjyW6qrXuT8W/x+6iEfiakxRl0fdA2j8GmZPf SkwUvLBI67mVFHi9Q3CWD6R9j/Z3xPJpmA5d7KYP3ySUkJ1xh1ZiWZBOKZeU+fOn XFelgM7NUhdWL7r5SJvY27xhPwh2K3udSaPYVhpRLoZRLw0fil0oZCe6j5jX+ohp K3Q9+56PSbvbIV6rQ7yOykcQWgQEOHTh2YHXaAY3sbN7njXRL+qllf406iqzmeUd gY0P7PPF6e7Biz0r9QJZJpuGDJoPb8Nw3zaAI/UqLiP+VFz49GPO5LGJmGm0+RVk g9E1LOP9Mm4AWzgn6P8b+rktcDsTNHeJhsOpQKENdnhm4yG9wqx7s9qFBBYQc1Is oKokVLLlkUel9RKRS4NOZSHcPO1Q4tAOc2wiO8u50Ge+wi3FCqNaGshuY4bupZng dHXThTKdMZfFYO/H5qi4rmSekO4Lx6SOpfaSaKVmDyZpwOp/oYSsa4EQYI2m32sD p0E81beS9t+hrKMj3w2obFa8tGNeswF3RxJVfE5RaQmpyLBpLkQmMKIhrdnCTqGO e1HbveMgw/rGjz43uG6M =oR9K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 5:46 AM, FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com wrote: I thought we weren't supposed to use blink tags because they attracted Weeping Angels. :P That which holds the image of a angel... ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, [ClickTracking] is one of the dependencies of ArticleFeedback.
Note the latest version of AFT drops the dependency. Earlier versions
of AFT (and AFTv5, WikiLove, the Vector extension, and a few others)
have ResourceLoader modules that depend on ClickTracking modules, but
their actual invocations of ClickTracking functionality are usually
buried inside
if ( bucketing bucketCookie trackOn UNLIKELY ) {
// invoke $.getBuckets(), $.trackAction(), etc.
}
so I suspect all wikis using ClickTracking have it installed to meet
the requirements of some other extension but aren't set up to track
anything. If you are using it, speak up! Most commercial wikis use
Google Analytics and other third-party tools.
By the way, I
think this project is a-we-so-me because it allows you
to check who use the extension:
http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Extension:Click_Tracking
Very useful, thanks.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging . Matt Flaschen Extension was dropped today. -- Ori Livneh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
RIP Clicktracking. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging . Matt Flaschen Extension was dropped today. -- Ori Livneh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On Apr 11, 2013 6:54 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: Can you tell me why this is going to be removed and what insights you got from it? I believe it's being deprecated in favor of the EventLogging extension. In any case the mediawikiwiki extension pages should be updated. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
On 04/11/2013 06:54 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote: Can you tell me why this is going to be removed and what insights you got from it? It's being removed in favor of EventLogging, which we believe is technically better and more flexible. For some of the research these extensions make possible, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Clicktracking being phased out
We are in the process of phasing out Clicktracking. An example of this is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/46205/ . If you are relying on this for an extension, you should explore other options, such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging . Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
