Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Bartosz Dziewoński]

On 2015-09-28 21:09, Pine W wrote:

I was told by a WMF non-management employee that they have little
discretion about which projects they're working on, and that the decisions
about priorities come top-down. Hence my interest in engaging with the
quarterly planning processes and the people managing those processes to see
if there's a way to get community input into the teams' quarterly goals.


Once the quarterly "goals" are decided, there is a lot of push to 
actually meet the deadlines that were set and actually work on what the 
team committed to working on, but non-management people should be able 
to be heard during planning, at least.


(This is assuming you want something big done, not a weekend project.)

The current quarter is just ending today… so now is probably a good time 
to run around and poke people. :)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Andre Klapper]

On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 12:09 -0700, Pine W wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> I was told by a WMF non-management employee that they have little
> discretion about which projects they're working on, and that the decisions
> about priorities come top-down. Hence my interest in engaging with the
> quarterly planning processes and the people managing those processes to see
> if there's a way to get community input into the teams' quarterly goals.

WMF is made up of several teams. For a list, click "Organizational
overview" on https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff?showall=1
Some members of some teams might either be or have the feeling of being
more influenced by potential top-down priorities. Others less.

About engaging with the planning processes and people:

For Engineering, the main goals and contacts for Oct-Dec are here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q2_Goals

That page links to each team's homepages (they are also linked from
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering ) which should
cover the planning processes, communication/contact info, etc.

Hope that helps a bit?

Cheers,
andre


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Pine W]

Hi Brian,
I was told by a WMF non-management employee that they have little
discretion about which projects they're working on, and that the decisions
about priorities come top-down. Hence my interest in engaging with the
quarterly planning processes and the people managing those processes to see
if there's a way to get community input into the teams' quarterly goals.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
> should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
> under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
> should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
> realistic, it probably won't be done)
>
> They're either going to say yes or they're going to say no. The better
> reasoned your argument for why its important, the more likely they are
> going to say yes.
>
> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
> priorities all that much (imo).
>
> --
> -bawolff
>
> On 9/28/15, Pine W  wrote:
> > Hi Quim,
> >
> > For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is
> there
> > a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF
> dev
> > time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
> > community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.
> >
> > Pine
> > On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:
> >
> >> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
> >> projects.
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
> >>
> >> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and
> we
> >> have already many possible project ideas:
> >>
> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
> >>
> >> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates
> are
> >> also wide open for you.
> >>
> >> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking
> for
> >> microtasks to show their skills.
> >>
> >> Questions? Just ask, here or at
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
> >>
> >> --
> >> Quim Gil
> >> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
> >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Brian Wolff]

On 9/28/15, Frances Hocutt  wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:
>
>> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
>> priorities all that much (imo).
>>
>
> Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? As I'm on the Community Tech
> team, I'd love to mentor someone working on a community-centric project.
>
> A potential issue I see there is scope and identifying requirements. It's
> very easy for onlookers to continue making suggestions and saying that this
> and that needs to be tweaked, even as the project goes on, and dealing with
> that process can take a lot of time. In a 10-week internship, it's more of
> a problem if consensus suddenly shifts around week 8 and suddenly the thing
> they've been working on is no longer wanted in its current form.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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I guess because people want things that are self contained and "small"
but not too "small", which limits what you can fix.

Don't get me wrong, they are useful projects (Usually, not always).
But they usually don't strike me as things that the community would
say are super high priority, most of the time. (At least imho).

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Frances Hocutt]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
> priorities all that much (imo).
>

Do you have any thoughts on why that might be? As I'm on the Community Tech
team, I'd love to mentor someone working on a community-centric project.

A potential issue I see there is scope and identifying requirements. It's
very easy for onlookers to continue making suggestions and saying that this
and that needs to be tweaked, even as the project goes on, and dealing with
that process can take a lot of time. In a 10-week internship, it's more of
a problem if consensus suddenly shifts around week 8 and suddenly the thing
they've been working on is no longer wanted in its current form.

Thoughts?

-Frances
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Brian Wolff]

WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
realistic, it probably won't be done)

They're either going to say yes or they're going to say no. The better
reasoned your argument for why its important, the more likely they are
going to say yes.

That said, gsoc/opw usually doesn't reflect Wikimedia community
priorities all that much (imo).

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-bawolff

On 9/28/15, Pine W  wrote:
> Hi Quim,
>
> For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is there
> a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF dev
> time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
> community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.
>
> Pine
> On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:
>
>> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
>> projects.
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
>>
>> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and we
>> have already many possible project ideas:
>>
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
>>
>> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates are
>> also wide open for you.
>>
>> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking for
>> microtasks to show their skills.
>>
>> Questions? Just ask, here or at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
>>
>> --
>> Quim Gil
>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Dan Garry]

On 28 September 2015 at 12:02, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> WMF is made up of individuals. If there's something that you think
> should be done, why not figure out which team it would normally fall
> under, and politely suggest it to the people on the team that they
> should make it a priority (If it doesn't fall under any team - lets be
> realistic, it probably won't be done)


This is exactly on point.

If someone wants to reach out about a project and doesn't know who to
contact, feel free to contact me and I will try to point you to the right
person if such a person exists.

Dan

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors and projects needed for Outreachy round 11

[Pine W]

Hi Quim,

For projects that don't move forward in Outreachy for any reason, is there
a way of suggesting that the particularly useful open projects get WMF dev
time next quarter? It would be nice if there is a way to incorporate
community priorities into quarterly department goal setting.

Pine
On Sep 28, 2015 4:18 AM, "Quim Gil"  wrote:

> A new round of Outreachy is about to start and we need mentors for
> projects.
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_11
>
> Mentors go first, because we haven't many confirmed for this round, and we
> have already many possible project ideas:
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/
>
> Still, if you want to volunteer as mentor for a new project, the gates are
> also wide open for you.
>
> There are already several candidates looking for a project and asking for
> microtasks to show their skills.
>
> Questions? Just ask, here or at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112620
>
> --
> Quim Gil
> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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