Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
One of the demo collections originally shown in pivot was wikipedia article's sorted by category. Though the collections are no longer up, you can see videos at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZuFUZpEZ-A?t=2m30s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxCvdoXpwM It was done before (albeit using a dedicated viewer which is now a silverlight control). So it can be done. -Small From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com To: Small M smallma...@yahoo.com; wikitech-l wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category On 2013-04-10 10:25 PM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Are there any plans to have a tool that would allow to dynamically sort content based on category? Single category views, especially for large categories, aren't particularly helpful. Something similar to what Microsoft's pivot demo had? An HTML5 example at: http://pivot.lobsterpot.com.au/pass2012.htm -Small ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l No, there are no current plans for doing this. Interesting idea though. If I understand you correctly you want a category page where things are grouped by what other categories a page is a member of. I don't think such a thing can be done in an efficient manner for big categories given the way category membership is currently stored. -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
On Apr 11, 2013 10:56 AM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: It was done before (albeit using a dedicated viewer which is now a silverlight control). So it can be done. First a warning: I can't imagine a MediaWiki feature ever being enabled on WMF wikis if it works only with silverlight. And you said HTML5 demo. One of the points of HTML5 is to move away from plugins. So this is confusing. Or maybe there are 2 unrelated demos (a silverlight and an HTML5) I believe Brian's point was: this sort of feature would require access to raw category data in a format that doesn't currently exist. (but can be generated from existing data) If you've seen it done then what you've seen is probably based on a snapshot in time (maybe from a dump) not from the live, current state of a WMF wiki. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
There's an article for Microsoft Pivot at [1] . Originally it was a standalone application (which is no longer supported), and now is a silverlight control (PivotViewer). HTML5 is usually preferred to plugins, so some made an HTML5 version at [2]. Sorry for the confusion. The collections used for Pivot were snapshots. Even with monthly/bi-monthly snapshots, this form of visualization would be better than the current one. Are there any current tools that allow for this type of category intersection/joining? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Live_Labs_Pivot [2] http://lobsterpothtml5pv.codeplex.com/ -Small From: Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com To: Small M smallma...@yahoo.com Cc: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category On Apr 11, 2013 10:56 AM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: It was done before (albeit using a dedicated viewer which is now a silverlight control). So it can be done. First a warning: I can't imagine a MediaWiki feature ever being enabled on WMF wikis if it works only with silverlight. And you said HTML5 demo. One of the points of HTML5 is to move away from plugins. So this is confusing. Or maybe there are 2 unrelated demos (a silverlight and an HTML5) I believe Brian's point was: this sort of feature would require access to raw category data in a format that doesn't currently exist. (but can be generated from existing data) If you've seen it done then what you've seen is probably based on a snapshot in time (maybe from a dump) not from the live, current state of a WMF wiki. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
On 04/11/2013 11:46 AM, Small M wrote: There's an article for Microsoft Pivot at [1] . Originally it was a standalone application (which is no longer supported), and now is a silverlight control (PivotViewer). HTML5 is usually preferred to plugins, so some made an HTML5 version at [2]. Sorry for the confusion. The collections used for Pivot were snapshots. Even with monthly/bi-monthly snapshots, this form of visualization would be better than the current one. Are there any current tools that allow for this type of category intersection/joining? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CatScan Matt Flaschen ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
On Apr 11, 2013 7:26 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/11/2013 11:46 AM, Small M wrote: Are there any current tools that allow for this type of category intersection/joining? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CatScan also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Category_intersections ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
It certainly can be done (and done without need for silverlight) on smallish categories (to pull numbers out of a hat, things with less than 1000 pages probably would be fine). I doubt the silverlight control would work with a category that has a million entries in it (and yes there are categories that big) -bawolff On 2013-04-11 11:56 AM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: One of the demo collections originally shown in pivot was wikipedia article's sorted by category. Though the collections are no longer up, you can see videos at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZuFUZpEZ-A?t=2m30s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxCvdoXpwM It was done before (albeit using a dedicated viewer which is now a silverlight control). So it can be done. -Small From: Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com To: Small M smallma...@yahoo.com; wikitech-l wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category On 2013-04-10 10:25 PM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Are there any plans to have a tool that would allow to dynamically sort content based on category? Single category views, especially for large categories, aren't particularly helpful. Something similar to what Microsoft's pivot demo had? An HTML5 example at: http://pivot.lobsterpot.com.au/pass2012.htm -Small ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l No, there are no current plans for doing this. Interesting idea though. If I understand you correctly you want a category page where things are grouped by what other categories a page is a member of. I don't think such a thing can be done in an efficient manner for big categories given the way category membership is currently stored. -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Sort on category
On 2013-04-10 10:25 PM, Small M smallma...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Are there any plans to have a tool that would allow to dynamically sort content based on category? Single category views, especially for large categories, aren't particularly helpful. Something similar to what Microsoft's pivot demo had? An HTML5 example at: http://pivot.lobsterpot.com.au/pass2012.htm -Small ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l No, there are no current plans for doing this. Interesting idea though. If I understand you correctly you want a category page where things are grouped by what other categories a page is a member of. I don't think such a thing can be done in an efficient manner for big categories given the way category membership is currently stored. -bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
