RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs
Thats pretty much the direction I have always taken on them. The midwest humidity seems to add to the problem. Especially when the soils are dry but the humidity is high as it is right now. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry at Mutual Data Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs Hello Brian, It's thermal related I'm betting. We lost a link last night briefly. Signal levels drop as the thermal layer changes. Someone drag Mike Cowan over here and he will explain why the midwest is known for this. Barry Tuesday, August 2, 2005, 10:46:48 AM, you wrote: BR I've heard of weird stuff when Air Force One comes to town. BR Or is there and Ham events going on? BR Jeff Mabry wrote: BR Good Morning, WISPA. BR BR We have witnessed a decrease in five (5) TrangoLink10 5.8 GHz BR PtPs Received Signal Levels overnight. These links are deployed BR in various geographic locations with an average 12 miles of BR separation between tower sites. These links have been active for BR at least a year (some longer). A decrease anywhere from 3 to 8 dB BR has been recorded in the RSLs with the exception of one (1) link BR which has had a 7 dB boost in signal. BR BR Weather this morning is about the same as yesterdays BR weather. Clear and 72 degrees. BR BR Did anyone else see lower signals this morning? This is a weird issue to wake up to. BR BR Thank you for your support. BR BR Jeff Mabry BR General Manager BR SlingShot Wireless Communications BR 618.735.2411 x 144 BR 618.735.2907 (fax) BR 618.534.6407 (mobile) BR www.slingshotwireless.com BR BR BR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG BR Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - BR Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- Best regards, Barrymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs
Since different people saw the same problem in multiple locations I would suspect a propagation problem, probably as a result of solar activity. Looking at this page shows some data http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs We had some Trango weirdness overnight also. We had 3 different links go down at different times overnight but I do not have any specifics of why at this time. Where were you seeing this trouble? Scriv Jeff Mabry wrote: Good Morning, WISPA. We have witnessed a decrease in five (5) TrangoLink10 5.8 GHz PtPs Received Signal Levels overnight. These links are deployed in various geographic locations with an average 12 miles of separation between tower sites. These links have been active for at least a year (some longer). A decrease anywhere from 3 to 8 dB has been recorded in the RSLs with the exception of one (1) link which has had a 7 dB boost in signal. Weather this morning is about the same as yesterday’s weather. Clear and 72 degrees. Did anyone else see lower signals this morning? This is a weird issue to wake up to. Thank you for your support. Jeff Mabry General Manager SlingShot Wireless Communications 618.735.2411 x 144 618.735.2907 (fax) 618.534.6407 (mobile) www.slingshotwireless.com http://www.slingshotwireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system
I know you really want to keep the existing gear. But it's really easy to run new cat5 up to the mount and be done with it. Just pull all the old crap down and go in with the new. Or do like we are. We're all wifi gear (well, mostly) and we'll run the outdoor radios indoors for those who have the cable and antennas already. If there is ANY problem though, we just jerk out all of the old stuff and drop in the new. BTW, the Trango radios are under $375 from EC. I'm not sure how much the version with the dish is but it's no the nearly $500 that was quoted earlier. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking fora new system What Trango units attach to my existing antennas? I thought Trango used integrated antennas... Tom DeReggi wrote: My advise, is to buy Trango, and start replacing one of your cells sites, and then the pulled units you can then use at your turbo cell sites. Tom DeReggi - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking fora new system Hi all, Well, with YDI/Terrorbeam closing the Karlnet office in Ohio, I think I need to find a replacement for TurboCell systems.. My requirements for a replacement . 1) must use the same 2.4GHz antennas and amps I currently have installed. 2) compatible with many different boards for CPE and AP 3) polling or token based. No hidden node issues. 4) tolerant of a wide spread in snr levels between clients. 4) low cost (yeah, right!) I am not interested in 'all in one systems' where I have no ability to mix n' match antenna's and such. So far, I have heard a little about Netstream, (from MikroTik), and about StarOS. Netstream seems to offer polling and long range PtMP. However, having to get new licenses every year is annoying. StarOS offers up to 10 non over lapping channels in the 2.4GHz band. This could be useful in cleaning up interference issues at some towers. I lean toward Netstream because I have had good luck with my Mikrotik routers that are currently in service, but I am more interested in finding something that will last. I am also concerned about being left high and dry as ydi/terabeam just did to me and many others. Anyone out there using one or both of these systems? How about another system meeting these requirements that I don't know about? Thoughts? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs
I think too many of you are keeping track of too many things! We build in a fade margin so that when this happens (as it naturally will) we can deal with it automatically. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jeff Mabry To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8 GHz PtP - weaker RSLs Good Morning, WISPA. We have witnessed a decrease in five (5) TrangoLink10 5.8 GHz PtPs Received Signal Levels overnight. These links are deployed in various geographic locations with an average 12 miles of separation between tower sites. These links have been active for at least a year (some longer). A decrease anywhere from 3 to 8 dB has been recorded in the RSLs with the exception of one (1) link which has had a 7 dB boost in signal. Weather this morning is about the same as yesterdays weather. Clear and 72 degrees. Did anyone else see lower signals this morning? This is a weird issue to wake up to. Thank you for your support. Jeff Mabry General Manager SlingShot Wireless Communications 618.735.2411 x 144 618.735.2907 (fax) 618.534.6407 (mobile) www.slingshotwireless.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Grounding questions/help
I have several towers, all of which except for 1 never have any issues, however, this 1 tower (we are the only tenant) seems to have a problem each year during lightning season... Last night it took a hit, although it appears it came through the electrical and not the tower, but I’m not sure, the UPS was off, I reset it and it came back online --- but the POE injector did NOT, it was completely shot. Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Anyways I looked over the ground and the tower appears to 3 ground rod off each tower leg and then the building has a separate ground rod - (unless its connected underground) Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help
Run one #6 solid copper ground wire between all ground rods and tie them all together. Make sure the electrical supply ground rod is bonded to this. I would also suggest that you run a monitor test of the voltage at the location over time. Scriv Dan Metcalf wrote: I have several towers, all of which except for 1 never have any issues, however, this 1 tower (we are the only tenant) seems to have a problem each year during lightning season... Last night it took a hit, although it appears it came through the electrical and not the tower, but I’m not sure, the UPS was off, I reset it and it came back online --- but the POE injector did NOT, it was completely shot. Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Anyways I looked over the ground and the tower appears to 3 ground rod off each tower leg and then the building has a separate ground rod - (unless its connected underground) Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help
Yeah that’s what I'm thinking, basically my cat5 wire and POE system is the bond between the 2 separate grounds :-(... Is there an easy/cheap way to test of the grounds are connected underground? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help Unless all of your grounds are bonded together - You stand the risk of causing your own nightmares due to the difference in potential across the 2 different grounding systems. Make sure everything is bonded together as 1 single grounding system. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help I have several towers, all of which except for 1 never have any issues, however, this 1 tower (we are the only tenant) seems to have a problem each year during lightning season... Last night it took a hit, although it appears it came through the electrical and not the tower, but I’m not sure, the UPS was off, I reset it and it came back online --- but the POE injector did NOT, it was completely shot. Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Anyways I looked over the ground and the tower appears to 3 ground rod off each tower leg and then the building has a separate ground rod - (unless its connected underground) Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help
You might try running a continuity test with your voltage meter. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help Yeah that's what I'm thinking, basically my cat5 wire and POE system is the bond between the 2 separate grounds :-(... Is there an easy/cheap way to test of the grounds are connected underground? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help Unless all of your grounds are bonded together - You stand the risk of causing your own nightmares due to the difference in potential across the 2 different grounding systems. Make sure everything is bonded together as 1 single grounding system. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dan Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help I have several towers, all of which except for 1 never have any issues, however, this 1 tower (we are the only tenant) seems to have a problem each year during lightning season... Last night it took a hit, although it appears it came through the electrical and not the tower, but I'm not sure, the UPS was off, I reset it and it came back online --- but the POE injector did NOT, it was completely shot. Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Anyways I looked over the ground and the tower appears to 3 ground rod off each tower leg and then the building has a separate ground rod - (unless its connected underground) Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [Unlicensed_advocates] Of Potential interest
Thanks Harold! Guys, it seems to me that we should jump in bed with Continental on this issue. This same rule would certainly apply to mesh type systems or aps which have, thus far, not been covered under OTARD. Thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Harold Feld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Open Spectrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Unlicensed Advocates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: [Unlicensed_advocates] Of Potential interest Released: 07/29/2005. OET SEEKS COMMENT ON PETITION FROM CONTINENTAL AIRLINES FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING WHETHER CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON ANTENNA INSTALLATION ARE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE COMMISSION'S OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES. (DA No. 05-2213). (Dkt No 05-247). Comments Due: 08/29/2005. Reply Comments Due: 09/13/2005. OET. Contact: Gary Thayer at (202) 418-2290 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2213A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2213A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2213A1.txt ___ Unlicensed_advocates mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kumr.lns.com/mailman/listinfo/unlicensed_advocates -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help
Shovel. Draw a line between them and start digging down. Dan Metcalf wrote: Yeah that’s what I'm thinking, basically my cat5 wire and POE system is the bond between the 2 separate grounds :-(... Is there an easy/cheap way to test of the grounds are connected underground? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help Unless all of your grounds are bonded together - You stand the risk of causing your own nightmares due to the difference in potential across the 2 different grounding systems. Make sure everything is bonded together as 1 single grounding system. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Dan Metcalf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help I have several towers, all of which except for 1 never have any issues, however, this 1 tower (we are the only tenant) seems to have a problem each year during lightning season... Last night it took a hit, although it appears it came through the electrical and not the tower, but I’m not sure, the UPS was off, I reset it and it came back online --- but the POE injector did NOT, it was completely shot. Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Anyways I looked over the ground and the tower appears to 3 ground rod off each tower leg and then the building has a separate ground rod - (unless its connected underground) Any thoughts? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Fw: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help
- Original Message - From: Jeff Liebermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [WISPA] Grounding questions/help On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 04:09:05PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: can you help Dan out? What do you think I am? Some kind of answer factory? You're suppose to be the expert on this wireless stuff. roflol I learned from you remember! Replaced the POE unit and the wireless gear came online, but started rebooting after about 15minutes (although it didn't this before, I just changed the POE from a 12v to 15v) tried a 24v POE, and the radio was still rebooting... Called the tower climber.. Easy. Your radio on the tower is toast. It got clobbered by the same lightning bolt that ate your POE box. Lightning doesn't always totally destroy what it hits. Sometimes, only sensitive parts of the circuitry gets zapped. My guess is something died in the radio which is causing the reboots. It might also be something simple like the terminating end of the POE circuit, but my guess is that radio is the problem since it seems to sorta work until it reboots. Is it also possible that not having the tower grounded to the AC is making this worse? -- # Jeff Liebermann Liebermann Design 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 (voice) callto://JeffLiebermann (skype) # http://www.LearnByDestroying.comAE6KS # [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
