Re: [WISPA] Fw: Google, eBay and Amazon may build their own wireless Internet
Phone carriers say it's unfair for them to invest more in network infrastructure to carry Internet firms' content if they can't make more money as the middleman. What's the problem with a usage-based fee structure? That's the obvious way to make more in the middle. Move more bits, make more money. It does cost something after all. I don't know that it makes sense to differentiate forms of media - voice from video from music. Priority might be billable, but would get busy quick. Usage-based billing may not be the norm but it's a little less crazy than building [Google,Ebay,Amazon].net. Anyone try this? I like pay-as-you-go models like that offered by Teliax for voice, myself. And I'm alright with the idea that if I'm downloading 80 gigs a month I ought to pay more than my ma checking her email. Huawei just announced the first 1.7 GHz UMTS base station: http://news.tmcnet.com/news/2006/04/07/1550495.htm How long til WISPs start talking about launching UMTS and other mobile data services? Or are you waiting for it to happen on unlicensed bands? Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's using our gear in the states alone. You won't find many of them here or on other WISP threads but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Saying we're niche and not mainstream and there is some division is a real strech. Brad - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no basis in fact. In the past I have been put-off by a perceived arrogance I have seen by some Alvarion representatives who have insisted previously that they had the only viable solution for wireless broadband and seemed as though they were claiming almost a holier than thou behavior toward anyone stating another opinion than their own. I have also seen a terribly biased negative attitude toward Alvarion by many WISPs who wanted to drive home the WISP=Cheap mentality to the point of alienating Alvarion from our entire market segment. Both Alvarion and most WISPs have lost a great ally in each other and I suspect both sides have suffered from such negativity. I am hoping to see this division closed between the typical WISP operator and Alvarion. Until Alvarion makes a product that's viable for more than niche market WISP, the 'division' is simply going to continue to exist. They have certain products that WISP's will find useful and valuable, but they don't make mainstream WISP last mile equipment. I have been expecting to see them announce something, but so far, I've not seen anything. The ball's in thier court. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
A scheduled mac alone does not make something carrier grade. I can list a bunch of manufacturers that have polling mac's yet you'll never find them hanging on a carriers depolyment but you'll find lots of Alvarion BreezeAccess VL. And to add version 4.0 changes the rules again. Stay tuned. Brad -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP agreed, VL is far from carrier grade On Apr 12, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Charles Wu wrote: snip Motorola designed Canopy specifically for the WISP market, not the carrier market. Alvarion designed VL specifically for the carrier market, not the WISP market. /snip Ah, the mis-perceptions of the rugged metal enclosure =) Steve, can you please explain why carriers would prefer a CSMA/CA over a scheduled (WiMAX-like) MAC? Thanks -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Stroh Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Thanks, Steve On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote: How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it about Alvarion VL that makes the cut vs. Canopy? Lord knows Motorola produces far more 'Carrier-Grade' equipment than Alvarion ever will - so where did they go wrong with Canopy? Also, I've heard lately several complaints that Waverider has trouble sustaining even 1 Mbps throughput ... what is your experience, John? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC-- --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Google, eBay and Amazon may build their own wireless Internet
So the 700Mhz won't be unlicensed? Or even if licensed, unavailable to the small wISP? Thanks. Mario Marlon K. Schafer wrote: - Original Message - From: John Oram [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marlon Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Google, eBay and Amazon may build their own wireless Internet http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=17artnum=1issue=20060410 Internet Technology Internet, Media Outfits Could Bid For Spectrum BY REINHARDT KRAUSE INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted 4/10/2006 Analysts are speculating that Internet and media companies could team up to bid for radio spectrum in order to launch wireless broadband services, as a way around the phone companies. Rumors that nontelecom companies could bid for wireless spectrum have floated around for a few years. The new speculation focuses on large Internet content firms such as Google, (GOOG) Amazon.com, (AMZN) and eBay. (EBAY) Fueling the talk is a regulatory battle — the network neutrality issue — pitting Internet firms against phone companies ATT, (T) Verizon Communications, (VZ) and BellSouth. (BLS) Phone companies want to charge Internet firms for moving movies, video games, music and other bandwidth-hungry content over their networks. This is aside from the subscription fees they charge broadband subscribers. Under their plan, Internet firms would pay extra to transmit content via faster and more secure lanes on the Internet highway. Internet firms object. They want lawmakers and regulators to guarantee network neutrality. That means all Internet traffic would be treated the same, and that phone company customers couldn't get special treatment over others. Phone companies and cable TV operators provide most high-speed connections to homes. Cable firms are part of the debate, but for now phone outfits are in the forefront. By owning their own radio spectrum, Internet and media firms could deliver services to homes via their own wireless broadband pipe. But that's only if they pay the billions of dollars the spectrum is expected to garner at auction, plus build wireless networks. Few Taking Any Bets That's a big if, but phone companies are watching closely because the stakes are so high. It wouldn't shock me to find a range of unusual bidders in the upcoming spectrum auctions, said Jim Cicconi, ATT senior vice president for legislative affairs. But there's no question about his point of view. Experience has shown that some companies haven't needed a well thought-out business plan to bid (in earlier auctions), he said. The federal government has two big spectrum auctions in the works. One is scheduled for June and involves spectrum in the 1710-1755 and 2110-2155 MHz frequency bands. The second auction would involve frequency in the 700 MHz band. That auction depends on TV broadcasters returning spectrum to the government after they move to high definition. That auction might not occur until 2008. Cicconi suggests that wireless broadband might not be the best business for Internet or media firms. He says they might be better off cutting a deal with ATT or other phone companies, which are experienced network operators. Any content provider would have a build vs. buy (bandwidth) decision to make, he added. What's the cost of building out your own network as opposed to contracting for a service? Real-Time Video Isn't Easy Cicconi adds that it would be challenging for Internet firms to deliver streaming video services reliably via wireless broadband. Some methods that Internet and media firms seem to be eyeing don't involve real-time streaming. Instead, video or other content could be downloaded to a computer, digital video recorder or portable device. That's less taxing on a network. ATT and other phone companies have promised not to block network access or degrade service to companies that don't agree to pay a premium rate. And current services that gobble up bandwidth — such as Google's video store and Apple Computer's (AAPL) iTunes music service — seem to be doing fine. Internet companies are eyeing bigger bandwidth-hungry services, analysts say. Amazon, for one, is expected to launch a digital distribution service including music and movies by year-end. Phone carriers say it's unfair for them to invest more in network infrastructure to carry Internet firms' content if they can't make more money as the middleman. It's unclear whether Congress or the Federal Communications Commission will adopt any broad policies involving network neutrality. One bill in Congress would let the FCC address complaints from content firms on a case-by-case basis. Web companies that have pushed for Congress' help include Google, Amazon, eBay, Microsoft (MSFT) and Yahoo. (YHOO) Walt Disney (DIS) has said it doesn't think legislation to guarantee network
Re: [WISPA] Anyone Hiring?
Hehe - yep, me too. Did this same type stuff in the Corps, only I got paid a little better ;-) - Original Message - From: Chuck To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone Hiring? Jar heads make good wisp .lol I R one Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 3 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office818 406 6818 cell From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. SchaferSent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Hiring? A jar head? As a WISP? What's the world coming to? ducking marlon cackle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: [WISPA] Anyone Hiring? Michael D. Lake4112 Berkshire Dr.Sarasota, FL. 34241(941) 718-0821[EMAIL PROTECTED] Objective:To establish a position within a reputable company, or city government agency, within the arena of Information Technology as one of the following,Chief Operations OfficerSenior Project ManagerProject ManagerLead Field Services Technician Work History 2003 Present Subcontractor Alpha-Omega Communications, LLC. Accounts ManagerLead ConsultantLead Field Services TechnicianSite Surveyor/Engineer TasksRF/Wireless Engineering licensed and unlicensed networksEquipment/Network InstallationNetwork TroubleshootingComTrain Certified Safety/Rescue Tower Climber SalesEquipment Installation ServicesNetwork Trouble Shooting ServicesEngineering/Site SurveyingWired NetworkingWireless/RF NetworkingNon Physical Path Loss Calc.Customer Service 2002 2003 Install Guys Inc. RF/Wireless Field Services TechnicianRF Engineering/Site SurveyingEquipment Installation 1999 2002 Black Dog Towers Inc. Junior Project Manager turn Key raw site buildsField Services TechnicianTower ErectionSelf Supporting MonopoleGuyed Cellular CollocationSite Surveying 1998 1999 OBrien Toyota Automotive Sales and Leasing Customer Service 1997 1998 Lake Roofing Sole Proprietor 1997 1998 Dick Boyd Ford Lincoln Mercury Automotive Sales and Leasing/RentalCustomer ServiceSales and Leasing professionalCar Rental Manager 1996 1998 Scandals Near The Lakeshore Customer ServiceBartenderWaiterGreeter/Host 1995 1996 Oppenhiemer Inc. Broker/Investment BankerTelemarketer 1991 1995 United States Marine Corps (USMC) 0351-Antitank Assault/DemolitionScout SwimmerNuclear Biological Chemical Warfare Non Commissioned OfficerCompany DriverTemporary Active Duty AssignmentsPlatoon CommanderPlatoon SergeantRecruiterU.S. State Department -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Routers
I am in the market for a new router and came across a company called ImageStream. From everything I can find that make a good product at a fair price. Has anyone ever used one of these or heard anything about them?? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] how to send message
I need to send a picture but I was rejected by the list. What is the format that is small. bmp, jpg, ect What should I use? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to send message
looks like i sent it .bmp Is a jpeg smaller? Or. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I need to send a picture but I was rejected by the list. What is the format that is small. bmp, jpg, ect What should I use? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE!
Now that was easy. Go check out that cool WISP in the center of Michigan. ;) Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling... we now finally have a usable LINKABLE google map for WISPS please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP... thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new design... bob kim GOOGLEMAP: http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to send message
jpeg can be smaller, but maybe you should just post a link to a website?On 4/14/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:looks like i sent it .bmpIs a jpeg smaller?Or.Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I need to send a picture but I was rejected by the list.What is the format that is small.bmp, jpg, ect What should I use?--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to send message
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I need to send a picture but I was rejected by the list. What is the format that is small. bmp, jpg, ect What should I use? JPG is fairly small. Host it and send a link. It takes a large amount of bandwidth to send a attachment to a list. say that is a 250KB picture and it is set to 500 people, that is 125MB of data. Jeromie -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango CPEs
Does anyone know if these new $149 CPEs from trango will work with non-trango APs? Will the gear work with my 802.11a standard AP? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routers
Never used them but I hear they are very good. Bo On 4/14/06, Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the market for a new router and came across a company calledImageStream.From everything I can find that make a good product at a fair price.Has anyone ever used one of these or heard anything about them??Jory PrivettWCCS--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routers
Bo Hamilton wrote: Never used them but I hear they are very good. Bo Same here. Isn't the owner on this list? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routers
I am not sure Jeff Broadwick is on this list but he is on the ISP-wireless list. George wrote: Bo Hamilton wrote: Never used them but I hear they are very good. Bo Same here. Isn't the owner on this list? George --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE!
Now take a look at the one on the southwest corner of Michigan.. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Now that was easy. Go check out that cool WISP in the center of Michigan. ;) Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Guys... after a year of fiddling and fumbling... we now finally have a usable LINKABLE google map for WISPS please put your wisp details into the GOOGLEMAP... thanks for all your feedback... it made about 70% of this new design... bob kim GOOGLEMAP: http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routers
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Jory Privett wrote: I am in the market for a new router and came across a company called ImageStream. From everything I can find that make a good product at a fair price. Has anyone ever used one of these or heard anything about them?? I have used them. They are very stable, with TONs of functionality. What are you needing to do with the new router? i.e. What kind of interfaces? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
