Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
Dori, Please send a copy of MVN's Wireless Subscriber Agreement to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That address is only paid WISPA Principle Members. I want to make it clear to all of you that I am sharing this only as a reference of what I am doing. I do not warranty the use of this document in any way. I also insist that this document not be given to anyone other than WISPA paid members. Scriv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can someone post me their install agreements? If your a WISPA member, post it to the members list. N White wrote: We charge $85/hour for anything after standard installation. Standard installation includes installing and configuring the CPE and any customer computers that are present at the time of installation, including a installation of a router or switch if necessary. It does not include trenches, masts, custom wiring runs (attic, crawlspace, etc), or troubleshooting client PC problems. Nick KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
Can someone post me their install agreements? If your a WISPA member, post it to the members list. N White wrote: We charge $85/hour for anything after standard installation. Standard installation includes installing and configuring the CPE and any customer computers that are present at the time of installation, including a installation of a router or switch if necessary. It does not include trenches, masts, custom wiring runs (attic, crawlspace, etc), or troubleshooting client PC problems. Nick KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
Right. Generally we run around the outside of the house/building - try to conceal as much cable as possible. Like you said, we try to make it the cleanest and neatest. Then drill in and install a plate. Always taking customer input and preference of course. A lot similar to a Dish or DirectTV install. Accept we try to be neater about it. :-) Nick Jason Hensley wrote: Can you define custom wire runs? What do you consider a "non-custom" wire run if you're not going through the attic or whatever? Do you just drill from the outside wall in or what? I'm just curious as we try to take whatever route in with the cabling that makes it look the neatest and try our best to drill as few holes as possible. Sometimes that's through an attic, crawl space, whatever. - Original Message - From: "N White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations We charge $85/hour for anything after standard installation. Standard installation includes installing and configuring the CPE and any customer computers that are present at the time of installation, including a installation of a router or switch if necessary. It does not include trenches, masts, custom wiring runs (attic, crawlspace, etc), or troubleshooting client PC problems. Nick KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- | Nick White | | Network Administrator | | Tele-NET Internet | | http://www.tele-net.net | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
Can you define custom wire runs? What do you consider a "non-custom" wire run if you're not going through the attic or whatever? Do you just drill from the outside wall in or what? I'm just curious as we try to take whatever route in with the cabling that makes it look the neatest and try our best to drill as few holes as possible. Sometimes that's through an attic, crawl space, whatever. - Original Message - From: "N White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations We charge $85/hour for anything after standard installation. Standard installation includes installing and configuring the CPE and any customer computers that are present at the time of installation, including a installation of a router or switch if necessary. It does not include trenches, masts, custom wiring runs (attic, crawlspace, etc), or troubleshooting client PC problems. Nick KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
We charge $85/hour for anything after standard installation. Standard installation includes installing and configuring the CPE and any customer computers that are present at the time of installation, including a installation of a router or switch if necessary. It does not include trenches, masts, custom wiring runs (attic, crawlspace, etc), or troubleshooting client PC problems. Nick KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
We're $65.00 per hour, and after looking at our mechanic's bill, $89.00 per hour shop rate, and he's not a dealer. I was thinking of raising our additional labor rates. Chuck Profito 209.988.7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations That seem like a low hourly rate Matt. What do local plumbers or electricians charge per hour? You guys time is worth at least the prevailing market rate for other trades. Patrick -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations Hi Shannon, We charge $35 an hour to the customer for any extra work over the two hour time frame that it generally takes to get the installation done. My subcontractors are locked in at that rate for extra work, so it seems to work pretty well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] KyWiFi LLC wrote: > We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom > installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. > How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to > non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a > sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive > at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the > sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just > tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then > pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 > to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then > bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a > profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill > the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else > they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you > try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the > sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? > > > Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder > KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky > "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" > http://www.KyWiFi.com > Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 > === > $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet > $14.99 Home Phone Service > $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV > - No Phone Line Required for DSL > - FREE Activation & Equipment > - Affordable Upfront Pricing > - Locally Owned & Operated > - We Also Service Most Rural Areas > === > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(191). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
That seem like a low hourly rate Matt. What do local plumbers or electricians charge per hour? You guys time is worth at least the prevailing market rate for other trades. Patrick -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations Hi Shannon, We charge $35 an hour to the customer for any extra work over the two hour time frame that it generally takes to get the installation done. My subcontractors are locked in at that rate for extra work, so it seems to work pretty well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] KyWiFi LLC wrote: > We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom > installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. > How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to > non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a > sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive > at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the > sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just > tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then > pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 > to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then > bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a > profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill > the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else > they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you > try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the > sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? > > > Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder > KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky > "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" > http://www.KyWiFi.com > Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 > === > $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet > $14.99 Home Phone Service > $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV > - No Phone Line Required for DSL > - FREE Activation & Equipment > - Affordable Upfront Pricing > - Locally Owned & Operated > - We Also Service Most Rural Areas > === > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(191). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). 'Patrick Leary'.vcf Description: Binary data -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
Hi Shannon, We charge $35 an hour to the customer for any extra work over the two hour time frame that it generally takes to get the installation done. My subcontractors are locked in at that rate for extra work, so it seems to work pretty well. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] KyWiFi LLC wrote: We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Field Techs & Non-Standard Installations
We are starting to see more and more subscribers need custom installations such as a vent pipe mount, aerial drop, trenching, etc. How is everyone paying their sub-contractors when it comes to non-standard installations? For instance, say you pay $75 to a sub-contractor for a standard installation but when they arrive at the job site, the subscriber needs a 10' ditch dug. If the sub-contractor says he will dig the ditch for $25 do you just tack this amount on to the subscriber's installation fee and then pass it along to the sub-contractor or do you add say $10 - $20 to the amount the sub-contractor is going to charge you and then bill the subscriber the inflated amount which would then have a profit margin attached? Or, do you have the sub-contractor bill the subscriber separately for digging the ditch or whatever else they want/need done at their premises? In other words, do you try to make a profit on the additional work performed by the sub-contractor which falls outside a standard installation? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky "Your Hometown Broadband Provider" http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation & Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned & Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] SercoNet
Mixed Signals Wireless networks get a boost from phone lines. Entrepreneur magazine - June 2006 For example, SercoNet is developing a technology that sends Wi-Fi signals over your existing phone lines without affecting their use for voice or DSL internet access. http://www.entrepreneur.com/mag/article/0,1539,327728,00.html Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] antenna question
I've seen two dish elements go bad in the last couple of years. Dustin Jurman Rapid Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brownson Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] antenna question Having been in the wireless business for 30 years I've seen a bunch. And antennas can fail. There are a multitude of components that can break. In order of failure points we generally look to cable and connectors first, then active components like the radio and antennas last. In the radio business everyone has a power meter to test these sorts of things. In about 5 minutes you can determine if it's the cable or antenna with the proper instrument. Unfortunately most in this industry are not aware of using power meters. We sell one from Praxym that's just super cool and easy, but it's $1295. However that may be a lot cheaper than the cost of the outage and tower climbers and time guessing what's wrong. Or perhaps not? I have also seen one bad cable replaced with another. Mike B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have a Waverider ccu that stopped accepting associations from cpe. Swapped >ccu, bypassed filter, replaced cabling, everyting but the antenna. All the >spec ans stay flat. My guys on the tower are pointing to the antenna, 2 yr. old >til-tek sector as the failure point. Ive never had an antenna go bad. Any one >else had a similar experience? > >Thanks, >Chris > > -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] antenna question
Having been in the wireless business for 30 years I've seen a bunch. And antennas can fail. There are a multitude of components that can break. In order of failure points we generally look to cable and connectors first, then active components like the radio and antennas last. In the radio business everyone has a power meter to test these sorts of things. In about 5 minutes you can determine if it's the cable or antenna with the proper instrument. Unfortunately most in this industry are not aware of using power meters. We sell one from Praxym that's just super cool and easy, but it's $1295. However that may be a lot cheaper than the cost of the outage and tower climbers and time guessing what's wrong. Or perhaps not? I have also seen one bad cable replaced with another. Mike B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Waverider ccu that stopped accepting associations from cpe. Swapped ccu, bypassed filter, replaced cabling, everyting but the antenna. All the spec ans stay flat. My guys on the tower are pointing to the antenna, 2 yr. old til-tek sector as the failure point. Ive never had an antenna go bad. Any one else had a similar experience? Thanks, Chris -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
