Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !

2006-12-10 Thread Larry Yunker
Your story points out that there is a difference between being RIGHT and 
WINNING.  Here, the ISP was RIGHT and won judgment in the court of law.  But 
they LOST in the economic terms.  This is definately something every ISP 
should consider long and hard before suing a client.


- Larry Yunker


- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !



A local dial up provider in town here missed billing a client for 2
years. The owner contacted the guy and he refused to pay $400. The owner
took him to court. The client said he never got billed and shouldn't
have to pay. The The judge said If you didn't use it then you shouldn't
have to pay but since you accessed the service multiple times over the 2
years you have to pay. The guy was ordered in court to pay and he did.
Needless to say the ISP owner lost that client from his subscriber base.
The ISP looked really bad and I am sure that has deterred some people
from going with his service. You may ask how I know all this Well
that client switched to my service now.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jenco Wireless
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !

I just sent him an e-mail:



Hello Mr. XXX . We just did a review of our credit card billing and
realized that we have not successfully billed your account since
7/26/05.
Our credit card service tried to bill you a few times (6), but for some
reason was declined payment.  Due to the timing of the catastrophic
lightning strike we had in August '05, we did not catch this situation.
We
realize that some of this is our issue, since we did not catch it, but
some
may be on your end as well for the same reason (not noticing the fact
that a
charge for our service has not been incurred for the last 15 months).
We
would like to know your thoughts on how you think we should proceed with
this?


Thank you,

Me


** Note - Why do the people who seem to be the nicest you have ever met
seem
to turn in to the biggest a-holes as soon as there is a 1 second
glitch
in their otherwise perfect Internet service :-)  :-) **








On 12/10/06, Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks everyone !





On 12/10/06, Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would also go to customer and explain what happened.  Most people
 expect to pay for what they get.  I would probably accept what ever

he

 offered, but if less than 1/2, I might suggest the 1/2.

 Jenco Wireless wrote:
  Hi.  About 15 months ago I had my main tower get hit by lightning
  (catastrophic hit).  It took me a little while to get all of the

bugs

  worked
  out with the repairs.  During this time I had a customer's credit

card

  get
  declined.  I deactivated his card, then forgot to move him to our
  invoicing
  system.  He never called to say hey - I'm not getting billed
 (imagine
  that), and I just now did a credit card check to find this
 problem.  What
  would you do?
 
  a) My mistake - let it go.  Bill him from the current month.
 
  b) Try to bill his CC for the full amount (ouch!!)  (Our customers
  sign an
  agreement that we will automatically bill their CC monthly).
 
  c) Send him a bill for the full amount.
 
  d) Disconnect his service and let the past un-charges slide,

then

  charge
  him $200 to reconnect his service.
 
  e) Any other ideas?
 
  I am opting for a above because it was my mistake.
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Brad H

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 NewWays
 Wireless Networking
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 www.nwwnet.net

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Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !

2006-12-10 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Call the guy, explain that his billing slipped through the cracks, and that
he presently owes you for 15 months.   Explain that you're going to charge
the current charges to his credit card (no quibble on that) and then ask how
he'd like to pay the rest of what's owing.

I have some customer's who'd cut me a check.   I have some who'd tell me
it's my fault and no way were they paying without an argument.

I had someone call me the other day, because  they were to renew an annual
subscription in December and hadn't gotten a bill.

I dunno how or why they weren't billed, but they were in the system and
flagged to be billed in December, but for some reason, no bill was printed
or mailed.   I like customers like that.   Then there's the other guy who
was 4 months behind, but didn't pay until I visited him twice.

Still, your goal is to retain customers, not get rid of them.

Whatcha gonna do?   I'd try my best to collect, but I don't threaten anyone.
I ask if they can't pay, to call me, and I'll put them on dialup speed until
such time they can, and I'll even forgive past due, if need be.  It costs...
but it pays...  My competition is real nasty with contracts and payments...
This is one way I can nicely kick them in the teeth :)



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- Original Message - 
From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !


 Hi.  About 15 months ago I had my main tower get hit by lightning
 (catastrophic hit).  It took me a little while to get all of the bugs
worked
 out with the repairs.  During this time I had a customer's credit card get
 declined.  I deactivated his card, then forgot to move him to our
invoicing
 system.  He never called to say hey - I'm not getting billed (imagine
 that), and I just now did a credit card check to find this problem.  What
 would you do?

 a) My mistake - let it go.  Bill him from the current month.

 b) Try to bill his CC for the full amount (ouch!!)  (Our customers sign an
 agreement that we will automatically bill their CC monthly).

 c) Send him a bill for the full amount.

 d) Disconnect his service and let the past un-charges slide, then charge
 him $200 to reconnect his service.

 e) Any other ideas?

 I am opting for a above because it was my mistake.


 Thanks,

 Brad H
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