[WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end
Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes per ping. The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni. the sectors are on 1, 6, 11 and the horizontal is on 1. We are approximately 180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards. I also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the tower also. The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company. The Access points are bridges plugged into a switch and then into a router. Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s. To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except theirs. I still saw alot of packet loss. Can poor tower grounding cause this? Is it something to do with the FM or Nortel equipment? I really don't think it is the routing equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more through without an issue. Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Tilting at Windmills
Chuck, Give me a call off line, We operate on 5 of the largest Windmill farms in the nation... I'll tell you all you need to know and things you don't want to knowlol Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 17 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tilting at Windmills Because these aren't built yet, the image in my mind is for us to stick up above the blades...meaning the windmill tower itself would be higher than it normally would be, or we'd add an extension to make it so. Well, maybe that's an unrealistic daydream. Chuck At 12:59 PM -0700 5/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if the blades are composite or fiberglass you may get through, but the receive jitter will probably drive the radio card nuts. If there is enough room under the blades to see what you want to see it should be great. A piece of foam on your board and lil rubber on antenna mounts should give you all the vibration dampening you will need. Don't forget to reground the antenna with a wire. There may be an unused tower too. Also over here there are standard 25g's scattered around to transmit the controller information. Good Luck Chuck Profito CV-Access, Inc 209-988-7388 Quoting Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would think there would be an issue with the gigantic spinning pieces of metal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tilting at Windmills I've got a township in PA that is eager to have us expand to their area, which is typically quite hilly. They're asking me if we could mount on wind mills, which they are apparently already encouraging. Anyone have any experience with this? I can imagine problems (like vibration), but my imagination often runs wild... Thanks! Chuck -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- --- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question
Marlon, I was under the impression the providers are only supposed to send the LEA the data covered in the subpoena and no more. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Read the FAQ. In some cases they may have to sort through ALL data to get at what they want. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question In my opinion, I don;t think it will fly because of NAT. The law inforcement agrency needs to be able to differenciate what customer traffic is comming from, and if you use NAT for any of your customers, the facilities based upstream provider would have no way to identify the end user, and the WISP would become the customer and be liable. To many degrees of seperation at the upstream for the captured data to be meaningful. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based broadband Internet access service providers Hm. It'd be one heckuva stretch, but by reading the letter (as opposed to the spirit) of that paragraph, many smaller WISPs would automatically be exempt. I know my office has acquired broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider (our upstream ISP) and we're enabling our customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments (i.e. our customers pay for Internet at their homes or offices). By the letter of that paragraph (and, to be fair, I haven't read all the context surrounding it) most any single-homed WISP would be exempt, as they could just say go talk to our upstream. (I doubt it'd work for multi-homed ISPs, as that would require multiple upstreams to be tapped and somehow synchronized, which is probably technically annoying.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Google and 700Mhz
All, Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means. Page 1 of the article; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm Page 2; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end
Unsheilded cat 5 could be an issue if you are running 100Mbps on it as that is about the same frequency as the radio station. But, that should appear all the time. I had a backhaul link that would get double responses to pings much of the time. I think it was a multi-path issue as changing the height of one antenna reduced the problem. Fixed it by going to a different tower. If you are getting it more from one direction than another, I would suspect multi-path. 2 systems on the same channel could be a major problem. Your signal-to-noise ratio must be terrible on those 2 that are both on channel 1. That would cause lots of retranmissions (dropped packets.) Ryan Langseth wrote: Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes per ping. The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni. the sectors are on 1, 6, 11 and the horizontal is on 1. We are approximately 180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards. I also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the tower also. The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company. The Access points are bridges plugged into a switch and then into a router. Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s. To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except theirs. I still saw alot of packet loss. Can poor tower grounding cause this? Is it something to do with the FM or Nortel equipment? I really don't think it is the routing equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more through without an issue. Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated. Ryan --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end
On May 4, 2007, at 1:20 AM, Ryan Langseth wrote: Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes per ping. The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni. the sectors are on 1, 6, 11 and the horizontal is on 1. We are approximately 180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards. I also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the tower also. The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company. The Access points are bridges plugged into a switch and then into a router. Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s. EDIT: This should have been packet duplicates, not packet loss. To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except theirs. I still saw alot of packet loss. That should have said I still saw alot of packet duplicates I was a little tired when I sent this. Can poor tower grounding cause this? Is it something to do with the FM or Nortel equipment? I really don't think it is the routing equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more through without an issue. Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fort Knox firewall
We have a local LEA that has an old Fort Knox firewall and had to reset to factory defaults but now cannot gain access to the box. I've tried googling the password but have not come up with anything. Does anybody out there know what the default access is to a Fort Knox 3000 firewall? Dylan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fort Knox firewall
A little off topic, but I wonder what the FBI would say to seeing a CALEA dump of your google session +fort +knox +firewall lol. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:40 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fort Knox firewall We have a local LEA that has an old Fort Knox firewall and had to reset to factory defaults but now cannot gain access to the box. I've tried googling the password but have not come up with anything. Does anybody out there know what the default access is to a Fort Knox 3000 firewall? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
It is birthday time for sure! Mac just had a birthday as did Matt Larsen on May 2. Patrick Leary's birthday is today. Rick Harnish's birthday is tomorrow. If there are others then let us know. Happy Birthday to all you guys! :-) Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
Yes. I got a price sheet and I just onced it over and it looks like the broadcast unit is 10K alone. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops Hrm. Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the homes ? Interesting, but futile in the wind... Isn't it more expensive than a coax run to the home ? LOL. Hey Cable companies, buy these things and put 'em everywhere -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops Now THAT's cool! marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops http://www.lindsaybroadbandinc.com/product.line/fleex/pdf/FreeSpaceOpti c s.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and development of this critical infrastructure. If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the bi-partisan Rural Utility Service Bill (H.R. 2035) promotes increased access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service; that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
So basically someone saw that they were spending too much money on this and decided to fine tune the funding. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and development of this critical infrastructure. If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the bi-partisan Rural Utility Service Bill (H.R. 2035) promotes increased access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service; that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
On Fri, 4 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote: It is birthday time for sure! Mac just had a birthday as did Matt Larsen on May 2. Patrick Leary's birthday is today. Rick Harnish's birthday is tomorrow. If there are others then let us know. Happy Birthday to all you guys! Happy birthday to all! I thought Harnish and Mac shared a birthday? Maybe it was Larsen and Mac... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Nah, Mac is much older than I am! 3 days. I haven't lost my hair yet either. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick On Fri, 4 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote: It is birthday time for sure! Mac just had a birthday as did Matt Larsen on May 2. Patrick Leary's birthday is today. Rick Harnish's birthday is tomorrow. If there are others then let us know. Happy Birthday to all you guys! Happy birthday to all! I thought Harnish and Mac shared a birthday? Maybe it was Larsen and Mac... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick Nah, Mac is much older than I am! 3 days. I haven't lost my hair yet either. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick On Fri, 4 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote: It is birthday time for sure! Mac just had a birthday as did Matt Larsen on May 2. Patrick Leary's birthday is today. Rick Harnish's birthday is tomorrow. If there are others then let us know. Happy Birthday to all you guys! Happy birthday to all! I thought Harnish and Mac shared a birthday? Maybe it was Larsen and Mac... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ELN Muni
EarthLink Studying Performance of Its Municipal Wi-Fi Business http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070426/earthlink_wi_fi.html?.v=2 ATLANTA (AP) -- EarthLink Inc. said Thursday it will study the performance of its municipal wireless Internet networks in four cities -- Philadelphia, New Orleans and California's Anaheim and Milpitas -- before deciding how to move forward with similar Wi-Fi networks elsewhere. While more cities are expressing interest in striking deals with the company, EarthLink is not yet able to establish that comfort level that the investments are really profitable, said Kevin Dotts, EarthLink's chief financial officer. That doesn't mean EarthLink is pulling the plug on cities under contract, like Houston, which would eventually be the nation's largest network at about 600 square miles, Dotts said. Instead, the company wants to review a range of factors to determine where it would be most profitable to invest what Dotts estimates are up to $40 million a year in capital expenditure. Such factors include topography -- less dense cities like Atlanta are harder to cover; concentration of households; and alternative revenue opportunities, Dotts said. He added the company will closely study the four designated markets over the next few months before defining its strategy. He said it will probably focus any expansion on large metropolitan areas like Chicago. Also Thursday, Atlanta-based EarthLink announced it posted a loss of $29.96 million, or 24 cents per share, in the latest period. A year ago, it had reported earnings of $16.3 million, or 12 cents per share. Revenue rose to $324.4 million, up 4.7 percent from $309.7 million in the first quarter of 2006. --- http://wireless.seekingalpha.com/article/34001 Earthlink last week said it would review operations at its current muni wi-fi networks before deciding whether to expand into more markets. The issue, the company said, is that it isn’t sure the business is going to be profitable. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question
There will likely be cases where that's impossible. Lets say that I have a customer that's a hotel. They, at first, only know the ip addy or mac addy. A subpoena comes to me looking for info on the user in question. There's no way to use the hotel's Linksys hardware to do the tap to find the specific think that LEA is looking for. Can't change the network because any action on our side tips off the suspect. In some cases it won't be possible to filter out all info. Especially if we don't know what we're looking for (which we won't and shouldn't) as far as specific data goes. I talked to the head of the FBI's CALEA group for about an hour again yesterday. They know full well that there are just some things that can't be done. At the end of the day, the just need our help when and where we can give it to them. There are far too many possibilities to deal with every single possible situation, we know that, they know that. As long as we make a real effort to help I don't think we have to worry about getting in trouble. It's those that thumb their noses that will run enforcement risks. I was told that there has NEVER been an enforcement issue occur. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question Marlon, I was under the impression the providers are only supposed to send the LEA the data covered in the subpoena and no more. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Read the FAQ. In some cases they may have to sort through ALL data to get at what they want. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question In my opinion, I don;t think it will fly because of NAT. The law inforcement agrency needs to be able to differenciate what customer traffic is comming from, and if you use NAT for any of your customers, the facilities based upstream provider would have no way to identify the end user, and the WISP would become the customer and be liable. To many degrees of seperation at the upstream for the captured data to be meaningful. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based broadband Internet access service providers Hm. It'd be one heckuva stretch, but by reading the letter (as opposed to the spirit) of that paragraph, many smaller WISPs would automatically be exempt. I know my office has acquired broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider (our upstream ISP) and we're enabling our customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments (i.e. our customers pay for Internet at their homes or offices). By the letter of that paragraph (and, to be fair, I haven't read all the context surrounding it) most any single-homed WISP would be exempt, as they could just say go talk to our upstream. (I doubt it'd work for multi-homed ISPs, as that would require multiple upstreams to be tapped and somehow synchronized, which is probably technically annoying.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] report on conversation with CALEA
Hi, I just spoke with Norm Wright (part of the CALEA Tech unit, 703-632-6218). Here is what I learned from the conversation: -we will be responding to court orders from LEA's, not subpoenas -T1.IAS and ATIS-013 are the same standard. ATIS-013 is the new name for T1.IAS. -safe harbor can only be obtained by implementing a CALEA compliance solution based on one of the standards outlined in section 107 of the law -if one does not obtain safe harbor then one just has to be able to comply with what a given LEA may request. If one's interpretation of what section 103 (which is vague) entitles the LEA to ask for differs from what the LEA thinks it entitles it to, and agreement cannot be reached, the matter will have to be settled in court between oneself and the LEA -obtaining safe harbor with the FBI alone is OK, but there are hundreds of LEA's out there besides the FBI. Obtaining safe harbor with the FBI does not guarantee that one has safe harbor with any other LEA -CALEA requires the ISP to be able to sniff *all* customer traffic, including traffic passing *between* two of its customers (referred to as hairpinning). If the LEA requires this and the ISP can't provide it, the ISP may need to go to court -the ISP must be able to transmit *all* data to the LEA in realtime (with an 8 second delay, I believe), regardless of whether the traffic is VoIP or not -dialup traffic does not fall under CALEA. The Class 5 office servicing the phone line has to perform the intercept in these cases, not the ISP -CALEA does not define the interface by which the LEA can obtain access to the data stream captured by the ISP. The ISP can use any industry standard. LEA's are generally not too happy about this because it makes them have to be able to support multiple standards. Norm could not tell me whether being able to grant the LEA access to the data stream via SSH was adequate or not. He thought it might be. I guess the alternative would be a VPN. -regarding opencalea.org, Norm had heard of them but was not very familiar with them. If they can fulfill a standard like ATIS-013 then utilizing a solution based on opencalea should provide the ISP with safe harbor. However, I understand that opencalea has not yet been able to put together a fully standards-based solution yet. Until they do, those of us depending on an opencalea-based compliance solution will have to live with the risk of not being able to negotiate a mutually satisfactory compliance method with any given LEA that issues us a court order, and thus face a possible stint in court Norm said that he is the point person at CALEA for questions of this nature, and can contact the Office of General Counsel if needed to respond to legal questions. They can't provide official interpretations of the law, but they might be able to answer some questions. In general, I found the conversation very helpful (if not somewhat disconcerting because of some of what I learned). It would be interesting to know if any of this differs from what the WISPA board has been able to learn through their conversations with the FBI. In particular, do I understand correctly that WISPA is attempting to negotiate a section 107-type standard so that any ISP that conforms to the standard will be able to obtain safe harbor with *all* LEA's (or just the FBI)? Thanks, Adam Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Trying to tell me I have half a head of grey and I still have to wait another 22 years before my life begins... sheesh My b-day is on the 17th Z On 5/4/07, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them! Zack Kneisley 740-432-3130 On 5/4/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So basically someone saw that they were spending too much money on this and decided to fine tune the funding. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and development of this critical infrastructure. If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the bi-partisan Rural Utility Service Bill (H.R. 2035) promotes increased access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service; that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
A few people have. It has been discussed at ISPCON during the ISP-CEO Meetings. One owner explained the whole process one night. You would be surprised what you can learn at just one Industry Trade Show. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. ISPCON in Orlando May 23-25, 2007 - Remember to let me know when you are hitting Orlando, so you can maximize your networking opportunities with your peers. Zack Kneisley wrote: If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them! Zack Kneisley 740-432-3130 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google and 700Mhz
Unless I am completely ignorant to what I read, (I was wrong once before) it read to me that Google wants to buy a license to 700Mhz spectrum nationwide. How is this different than a single entity in my area that has an exclusive right to the particular spectrum? Z On 5/4/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means. Page 1 of the article; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm Page 2; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
Unfortunately, I can't make it to Orlando this year, I've investigated a little on the funds but the last round, by the time I thought I had at least the information to push forward,the funds were dried up. are their and online guides (besides .gov) that has advice or information on this subject for smaller companies. Zack On 5/4/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few people have. It has been discussed at ISPCON during the ISP-CEO Meetings. One owner explained the whole process one night. You would be surprised what you can learn at just one Industry Trade Show. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. ISPCON in Orlando May 23-25, 2007 - Remember to let me know when you are hitting Orlando, so you can maximize your networking opportunities with your peers. Zack Kneisley wrote: If anyone has had luck getting RUS monies, I would love to talk to them! Zack Kneisley 740-432-3130 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PortaOne?
Anyone have an opinion on this companies offerings? They now apparently work seamlessly with Mikrotik. Z -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Don't complain Zac! I have a half a head of bald! The rest is gray. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick Trying to tell me I have half a head of grey and I still have to wait another 22 years before my life begins... sheesh My b-day is on the 17th Z On 5/4/07, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Mine is Sunday Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick On Fri, 4 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote: It is birthday time for sure! Mac just had a birthday as did Matt Larsen on May 2. Patrick Leary's birthday is today. Rick Harnish's birthday is tomorrow. If there are others then let us know. Happy Birthday to all you guys! Happy birthday to all! I thought Harnish and Mac shared a birthday? Maybe it was Larsen and Mac... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Thanks David, I'm just damned pleased that life did not end at 42! I just past a scary year (long story not for here). I'm looking forward to 50; my little girls will be in the throws of their teen age years. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about my hair graying. Been there. Done that. - Patrick On 5/4/07, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] PortaOne?
Silly P.R. I oughta get tons of customers now, if I put out a press releases that say we standardized on Mikrotik, right ? Big deal... (and I'm a Tik-fan.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zack Kneisley Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] PortaOne? Anyone have an opinion on this companies offerings? They now apparently work seamlessly with Mikrotik. Z -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
After turning 50 this year, it's been fun. Getting a little gray here but with a full of head of hair, I am still not looking like 50 :-) If you can come up, swing here around July 17th - 25th for a big barbecue and all the fresh salmon you want. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:13:20 -0800 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick Thanks David, I'm just damned pleased that life did not end at 42! I just past a scary year (long story not for here). I'm looking forward to 50; my little girls will be in the throws of their teen age years. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about my hair graying. Been there. Done that. - Patrick On 5/4/07, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Birthday to all of you and especially to my old boss Rick Harnish!! Just remember, life begins at 50 so you still have 5 more years to wait!! Regards, David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 260 918 0737 Office 260 273 7547 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to Mac, Matt, Rick and Patrick
Happy Birthday Patrick! I knew there was something good about you :-) and I understand completely that you are glad to be (still) here!! Someone ain't through with you dude!! CHEERS! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
