[WISPA] New List Server - VERY IMPORTANT
There is a new list server in WISPA called [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are a paid member and have not seen messages sent to you from that list in the last 2 days then please contact me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED], right away. This has an impact on your ability to vote in the board election on Friday so PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED EMAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF YOU ARE A PAID WISPA MEMBER. Do this now please. Thank you, Scriv begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New List Server - VERY IMPORTANT
For clarification the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list should have gone to ALL paid WISPA members including Associate, Principal and Vendor members. It is imperative we get any issues addressed before Friday to avoid passing over any potential votes in the election. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: There is a new list server in WISPA called [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are a paid member and have not seen messages sent to you from that list in the last 2 days then please contact me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED], right away. This has an impact on your ability to vote in the board election on Friday so PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED EMAIL FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] IF YOU ARE A PAID WISPA MEMBER. Do this now please. Thank you, Scriv No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
If you get more details please share them here. I will join in writing a letter. Having the government telling us to turn off this site or that site is a dangerous precedent to allow. It is similar to having them decide what books get to reach the shelves. That was never allowed and this should not be either. Scriv Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Yes, Jack Please keep this thread updated with your progress and more details if you contact these individuals. Zack On 6/13/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get more details please share them here. I will join in writing a letter. Having the government telling us to turn off this site or that site is a dangerous precedent to allow. It is similar to having them decide what books get to reach the shelves. That was never allowed and this should not be either. Scriv Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Matt wrote: Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. Where will I get my quasi-illegal pharmaceuticals now? :( Also, does anyone think this has a serious chance of passing Constitutional muster? It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. My doctor and my quit-smoking support program would like to have a word with you. (I'm completely serious about this - I'm on a program to help quit the cigarettes, and part of this program involves a pretty healthy amount of email being exchanged, most of which remind me to take my prescribed drugs that they sold me daily. Their emails do come, at times, pretty close to marketing, despite the fact that I explicitly requested them.) Laws like this almost always clash with the law of unintended consequences. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
If anyone has already started looking into this more, like where the bill is and what the time line is, please post to the list (I'll do the same). This is definitely something that needs to be nipped in the bud. This is not the job of and ISP in any form. What happens if the ISP blocks traffic to a legitimate site, are we now liable for lost revenue and defamation by implying that a site is not legit? I will have to take exception to his statement that the internet needs regulation. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jack Unger wrote: I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
In this instance, WISPA needs to make an official stance to publicly state that we oppose any and all legislation requiring an isp to block this or other sites, pharmaceutical or not. We are not the censors of the internet and it's a slippery slope when we take on that roll. George Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
It brings to mind an old movie, done in 1966. (well the web page says 1967) FAHRENHEIT 451 The title of the movie comes from, as Montag puts it in one scene, Fahrenheit four five one is the temperature at which book paper catches fire and starts to burn. http://www.destgulch.com/movies/f451/ Not only is this a slippery slope, this is a scary slope. - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites I agree 100% with the author of this article. Requiring ISPs to block sites that they suspect of advertising or selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with marketing abuse. Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on suspicion or on government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom than we will ever gain in security. I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement provisions. jack Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Read the act itself. I don't *think* it applies to us. Look at C `(3) This subsection does not apply to-- `(A) the delivery, distribution, or dispensation of controlled substances by nonpractitioners to the extent authorized by their registration under this title; `(B) the placement on the Internet of material that merely advocates the use of a controlled substance or includes pricing information without attempting to propose or facilitate an actual transaction involving a controlled substance; or `(C) any activity that is limited to-- `(i) the provision of a telecommunications service, or of an Internet access service or Internet information location tool (as those terms are defined in section 231 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 231)); or `(ii) the transmission, storage, retrieval, hosting, formatting, or translation (or any combination thereof) of a communication, without selection or alteration of the content of the communication, except that deletion of a particular communication or material made by another person in a manner consistent with section 230(c) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 230(c)) shall not constitute such selection or alteration of the content of the communication. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regu lations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik HotSpot Question
I am setting up several new Hotspots using Mikrotik. The network has 3 APs and internet access through a single Mikrotik router: Mikrotik Router - 3x Mikrotik AP - Clients I want to configure the Hotspot controller on the router and not on the individual APs. I have everything setup and working with just one little problem. When the Hotspot is active I can not access the APs from outside the router. I have tested my addressing and routing and everything works when the Hotspot is disabled. I even set the APs to function on a different subnet and made sure that I can communicate with them and that works. Turn on the Hotspot and I lose connectivity. Is there a way to setup a sub interface and only have the hotspot use it and all other address space use the main interface? Any other ideas from you Mikrotik Pros?? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik HotSpot Question
Use the IP Bindings in the hotspot to create a bypass for the subnet the APs are on. This way the hotspot will ignore those IPs or even Mac addresses if you prefer. Bill Gaylord COLI Inc Jory Privett wrote: I am setting up several new Hotspots using Mikrotik. The network has 3 APs and internet access through a single Mikrotik router: Mikrotik Router - 3x Mikrotik AP - Clients I want to configure the Hotspot controller on the router and not on the individual APs. I have everything setup and working with just one little problem. When the Hotspot is active I can not access the APs from outside the router. I have tested my addressing and routing and everything works when the Hotspot is disabled. I even set the APs to function on a different subnet and made sure that I can communicate with them and that works. Turn on the Hotspot and I lose connectivity. Is there a way to setup a sub interface and only have the hotspot use it and all other address space use the main interface? Any other ideas from you Mikrotik Pros?? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pricing
Only problem with that is then, I waste my time sitting on hold, waiting for them to pick up my call. :-( Second problem, you then have to have a rock solid call tracking system, so you can remember to call them back :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pricing Or you work on a call-back tech support basis. ;) We changed to that model almost 8 years ago and it was the best thing we ever did. No hold times for customers, less tech support personnel, better tech support when they do call back (because they can review the notes about the call BEFORE calling the customer). Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I did the same thing, until the client base realized that the same guy answered the phone regardless of whether they were calling the priority or non-priority line. Somethings only work after a company scales to a certain number of employees. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pricing Someone talked about this at ISPCON in Santa Clara. Their phone system actually asked the user which service they had and queued the calls appropriately. Higher end service got priority on all calls. He used it as an upselling point. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: I agree that branding product levels is one good approach. However I'd liek to bring up there is a big diffeerence between Marriot and an ISP. With Marriot, you can touch, see, and feel the difference between the product brands. Whether the budget hotel has smelly carpet and the high end hotel has fancy chandaliers and hottubs, or efficiencies with kitchens, etc. With Wireless its very difficult for the end iser to see the difference, and the ISP to prove the difference, or for that matter truly build a network that can deliver the mulitple services differenciated. In other words its both a technical problem and a perception problem, for the ISP. I'm aware of one company who specifically stayed out of the DSL replacement business because they had evidense that getting into it was lowering the value of their high ARPU service, because there really was no way for them to differenciate it. They actually started a completely different company to go after the low end business, to protect the value of thier name for the high ARPU business company. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pricing You could create 2 brands like Toyota and Lexus. One is a decent car but the other is a luxury. The difference between a Camary and a Lexus 200 was about $5000. Same basic car. Let's look at Marriott. These are its brands: Marriott Hotels Resorts JW Marriott Hotels Resorts Renaissance Hotels Resorts Courtyard by Marriott Residence Inn by Marriott Fairfield Inn by Marriott Marriott Conference Centers TownePlace Suites by Marriott SpringHill Suites by Marriott Marriott Vacation Club International Horizons by Marriott The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, L.L.C. The Ritz-Carlton Club Marriott ExecuStay Marriott Executive Apartments Grand Residences by Marriott Everyone is branded with an exact thought in your head for who it targets and what you get. It's all in the marketing. Lots of ways to package your services to meet different strata of a region. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813-963-5884 Mark Nash wrote: This is interesting, and something I've been giving alot of thought to. My market is mostly rural, residential, mom pop shops, etc. Providing inexpensive access will get me more customers but as we all know, our APs only have so much capacity so how do you get as much revenue as you can out of each and every one of them? If you go exclusive then you grow slower but your revenue per user goes up, making your AP more valuable. Anyone got comments on providing a mixture, perhaps even with different quality APs at a single site? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Service in Arlington, VA
Does anybody provide service to Shaffer Dr, Alexandria, Virginia 22310. This is for an important government employee that is and can be a friend to WISP's. Contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will get you in contact with the right people. Thanks Mike No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
