Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
We use a mix. Everybody gets a static per say. But we assign those IP via PPPoE. Some areas we do DHCP but it will not hand out a DHCP addresses until we add the Mac address of that device into the DHCP server. This was kind of neat, but can be a pain walking certain customers to providing a mac address. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema If you have ever renumbered your entire network due to changing upstream providers or running out of IP, you will wish you had used DHCP everywhere. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema And to take it one step further, I've never understood using DHCP for customers. It makes it 10x easier for a rogue client to get on your network if you run DHCP instead of just static. You don't have to maintain any logs, or worry about your DHCP server having problems, etc. It seems one step easier than DHCP. Travis Microserv David E. Smith wrote: PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will just work 90% of the time. Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries rate limiting information as well. I'm switching to having the PPPoE backed by RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I can change anything relating to the customer from a central interface. There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment. My CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP. If it didn't, every router sold today has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route. I am 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network. It should only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be more than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will just work 90% of the time. Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our PPPoE. One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports. -Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries rate limiting information as well. I'm switching to having the PPPoE backed by RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I can change anything relating to the customer from a central interface. There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment. My CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP. If it didn't, every router sold today has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route. I am 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network. It should only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be more than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will just work 90% of the time. Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
Mike Hammett wrote: [ on the benefits of PPPoE ] It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries rate limiting information as well. I'm switching to having the PPPoE backed by RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I can change anything relating to the customer from a central interface. You can tie RADIUS into DHCP just as easily, and I still think DHCP makes life easier for the subscriber than PPPoE. That said, we only have DHCP for some of the newer ends of our network. Many of our older locations have static IP addressing, which we track in an in-house database. We're moving away from that because it was rapidly becoming impossible to keep the database current, with a half-dozen people making changes for different reasons. (Also because it was basically a glorified spreadsheet, and not really connected to our billing system, so there are tens if not hundreds of entries in there for customers that have been moved to different towers, or to different towns, or changed to different equipment, or...) Humans occasionally forget to make these updates, whereas PPPoE or DHCP or any mostly-automated system, built properly, should handle these details for you. I think the real object lesson here is that trying to manage everything by hand is the only bad answer :P David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
We have always given a public IP address to every connection. We have done both DHCP and Static. DHCP was done purely on DHCP reservation. In other words, we had 0 IP addresses in a dynamic pool, then would put in DHCP reservations for our customers CPE. At one point, I started buying Tranzeo TR-CPQ's (which I'm now ebaying in favor of StarOS units), which can be routers, but I had them in bridge mode. This meant that I either had to statically assign the IP address to the customer's computer or router, or deliver via DHCP or PPPoE. I wasn't interested AT ALL in having people program their routers or worse yet, install PPPoE software on their computers or configure Windows in any way (we have enjoyed a 'hands-off' approach to people's computers...in that if we don't install software we could not have caused a problem and therefore are not required to fully support their computer). Anyway, we initially installed the Tranzeo CPEs in bridge mode with a private IP address, and gave a public to the customer's computer/router via DHCP reservation. We talked people through giving us their MAC address. For the most part, this was/is easy. It was a pain once in awhile, but it allowed us to give statically-assigned IP addresses for accountability. Now we only do this for the CPEs that cannot go into router mode (older BreezeComs and Turbocell bridges...which we will also be ebaying to replace them with StarOS CPEs). We turned the Tranzeos into NAT routers, put a static public IP on them, and man our life became easier. Routers and computers come online so easily. If a customer needs something trickier than what the Tranzeo can give them, we put a StarOS CPE there and we can do whatever routing scenario we want to. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema We use a mix. Everybody gets a static per say. But we assign those IP via PPPoE. Some areas we do DHCP but it will not hand out a DHCP addresses until we add the Mac address of that device into the DHCP server. This was kind of neat, but can be a pain walking certain customers to providing a mac address. Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema If you have ever renumbered your entire network due to changing upstream providers or running out of IP, you will wish you had used DHCP everywhere. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema And to take it one step further, I've never understood using DHCP for customers. It makes it 10x easier for a rogue client to get on your network if you run DHCP instead of just static. You don't have to maintain any logs, or worry about your DHCP server having problems, etc. It seems one step easier than DHCP. Travis Microserv David E. Smith wrote: PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will just work 90% of the time. Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
I do this with my tranzeo's cpe as well I don't want to know or have any cotrol over what happens on the customer's side of the cpe. This gives me a clear demark between the customer's network and mine. It also helps limit the amount of client machine broadcasts my network needs to hear. I bill for time spent fixing my customers home networks. ryan -Original Message- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema We have always given a public IP address to every connection. We have done both DHCP and Static. DHCP was done purely on DHCP reservation. In other words, we had 0 IP addresses in a dynamic pool, then would put in DHCP reservations for our customers CPE. At one point, I started buying Tranzeo TR-CPQ's (which I'm now ebaying in favor of StarOS units), which can be routers, but I had them in bridge mode WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
Right. Manual is the only bad answer. DHCP isn't bad, but I just like PPPoE better. It has rate limiting abilities based on the individual user's profile. It requires a username\password to get an IP. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema Mike Hammett wrote: [ on the benefits of PPPoE ] It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries rate limiting information as well. I'm switching to having the PPPoE backed by RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I can change anything relating to the customer from a central interface. You can tie RADIUS into DHCP just as easily, and I still think DHCP makes life easier for the subscriber than PPPoE. That said, we only have DHCP for some of the newer ends of our network. Many of our older locations have static IP addressing, which we track in an in-house database. We're moving away from that because it was rapidly becoming impossible to keep the database current, with a half-dozen people making changes for different reasons. (Also because it was basically a glorified spreadsheet, and not really connected to our billing system, so there are tens if not hundreds of entries in there for customers that have been moved to different towers, or to different towns, or changed to different equipment, or...) Humans occasionally forget to make these updates, whereas PPPoE or DHCP or any mostly-automated system, built properly, should handle these details for you. I think the real object lesson here is that trying to manage everything by hand is the only bad answer :P David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema
Freeside is the new interface. I only use Mikrotik devices (including CPE, which are the customer's router). -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Cameron Kilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema What are you using for web interface. We are using radius for our PPPoE. One of the problems we have noticed with PPPoE using MikroTik to pass the data to the radius server is some routers have a hard time connecting through it. Computers directly work fine, but some of the cheaper routers struggle as well as Apple Airports. -Cameron Midcoast Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema It has similar ease of address distribution as DHCP, but also carries rate limiting information as well. I'm switching to having the PPPoE backed by RADIUS, so my new management system will be a web interface where I can change anything relating to the customer from a central interface. There are no special steps in setting up any customer side equipment. My CPE also do NATing and LAN side DHCP. If it didn't, every router sold today has a setup process required for installation and have a PPPoE route. I am 100% against a broadband client's PC directly on the network. It should only be done during special circumstances, and the user would then be more than intelligent enough to configure PPPoE. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema PPPoE Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will just work 90% of the time. Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MUM
Who is at MUM? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] antenna
Hi, I'm trying to find an antenna/enclosure combo to fit a RB333. This one works great for point to point links, but I would like to find something exactly like this, but with a 60 degree antenna. Any ideas? Suggestions? https://www.titanwirelessonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AT-19DP-58 thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Yet another reason to join WISPA!
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Re: [WISPA] MUM
I think it is Microtik Users Meeting. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] MUM Who is at MUM? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking bro adband’s reach
That's not quite accurate. There is a law on the books that directs the FCC to find out such info. They have no choice. And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty worthless. Everyone knows it. We are simply reaping what we've sown. marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach Sigh. I am in an industry filled with jellyfish. It is unbelievably depressing. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit of study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create them yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match) your customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. Most GIS tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since they will not geocode properly to the actual customer location. If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the census unit each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have no idea what a census unit is, how it is determined, or even how to find out that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over thousands of square miles. Frankly, I haven't the time. Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather man-hour intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers. Is WISPA going to lobby to defend us from this big pile of free labor the FCC wants us to do so they can claim political credit, or are they going to sell us down the river by lobbying for it? It seemed that no organized resistance existed for the first mandate to report, and unless we start defending ourselves from the do-gooders in DC, we're going to end up with mountains of work and nothing but a headache and some legal papers from bankruptcy court to show for it. Every industry I know of is VEHEMENT in telling the federal goverment to back off from mandates... Why does the ISP industry just keep rolling over and getting reamed? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?p=215FCC approves new method for tracking broadband’s reach Filed under: HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?cat=1General at 7:02 am HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/?p=215#respond;(no comments) HYPERLINK http://www.wispa.org/wp-admin/post.php?action=editpost=215;(e) WASHINGTON–As expected, federal regulators on Wednesday voted to overhaul the way they measure how widely broadband is available across the United States. For years, the Federal Communications Commission has been drawing up reports on the state of U.S. Internet access availability based on methodology that considers 200 kilobits per second (Kbps) service to be “high speed”–and such access to be widely available even in ZIP codes that may, in reality, house only one connection. The decision to move away from that methodology is potentially significant. Critics, both inside and outside the agency, have charged that the inadequacy of data that the FCC collects semiannually from Internet service providers hinders both the government’s ability to set smart pro-broadband policies and could slow investment on the technology side. It could also help federal regulators determine whether HYPERLINK
Re: [WISPA] MUM
I'm there, but gone already. Don't have the time. Spent $100 for 2 beers, 2 t-shirts, a couple pens, some paper, some cheese, and some crackers. ;-) -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] MUM Who is at MUM? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
I happen to agree with you on this. Completely. I also don't think it's any business of the politicians whether or not I were a seat belt. But I've gotten tired of paying the tickets so I wear one. Vote out the incumbents until there are so many new people in office that they spend all of their time learning how things work and don't have time to screw with us. Until that's done though, lets deal with reality. marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Im going to repost a response I made privately, leaving off the other person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me lately. == Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should have to conduct even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to result absolutely NO benefit to me, and then we'll all get to see some politicians claim credit for the spread of broadband, even though that spread has been solely the result of some of us working our butts off, and risking our own money and 12 hour days. I can find absolutely no reason to think that ANY of us are going to benefit from this. The only people who could possibly benefit, would be the Qwest's and the Clearwires of the world, who have publicly financed expansion research done for them. I doubt any of us, save a handful who cover large areas, could benefit at all. I know I make my expansions based on on-the-ground efforts, going to door to door and finding out who has broadband, who doesn't and then figuring out how to fill the gaps, some of which are as small as a housing development with 10 houses in it.This will never be figured out by the FCC or any agency. I'm DOING the work that needs to be done. Why on earth should I do free labor while doing it? But I'll bet that on a more macro scale, all we do is provide the directions for bigger guys deciding what towns or cities to deploy in without spending a dime in research. I know I buy a lot of $140 (and climbing) tanks of diesel to find areas not covered and then cover them, and then go to door to door to sign up people. I have perhaps 20,000 people in my targeted market, which covers everything from farms and vineyards to forested mountains, and it's an hour and a half to drive across from the farthest customers now, and in a fe months it's going to be close to two hours. So, why on earth should I then be required to expend more time and effort and possibly money, just to tell someone else where to go for free? Perhaps I'm just irked because the heavy hand of both state and federal govenrments is coming down on a lot of what we do - I may soon need a contractor's license and AND hire a licensed electrician... to be a WISP, of all things. If that's the case, my customers will become unserved. And there is NOBODY in my corner fighting this either federally or at the state level. Rather, every organization I've uncovered is just nodding and smiling like some lobotomized sheep. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I agree, I would also like to know the position of WISPA. It looks like another great way for some company to make extra income off of my already short bottom line. The current reporting is a pain but can be completed in an hour or so. I am not privileged to have GIS software and data setting around for all my data to interface with. Besides in my area the census track is larger then the ZIP's. So they will get less exact data. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the census unit each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have no idea what a census unit is, how it is determined, or even how to find out that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over thousands of square miles. Frankly, I haven't the time. Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather man-hour intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers. Is
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
OTS--- Congrats on the Lifetime Achievement of WISP, Mr. Schaffer. You most certainly deserve it! On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I happen to agree with you on this. Completely. I also don't think it's any business of the politicians whether or not I were a seat belt. But I've gotten tired of paying the tickets so I wear one. Vote out the incumbents until there are so many new people in office that they spend all of their time learning how things work and don't have time to screw with us. Until that's done though, lets deal with reality. marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Im going to repost a response I made privately, leaving off the other person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me lately. == Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should have to conduct even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to result absolutely NO benefit to me, and then we'll all get to see some politicians claim credit for the spread of broadband, even though that spread has been solely the result of some of us working our butts off, and risking our own money and 12 hour days. I can find absolutely no reason to think that ANY of us are going to benefit from this. The only people who could possibly benefit, would be the Qwest's and the Clearwires of the world, who have publicly financed expansion research done for them. I doubt any of us, save a handful who cover large areas, could benefit at all. I know I make my expansions based on on-the-ground efforts, going to door to door and finding out who has broadband, who doesn't and then figuring out how to fill the gaps, some of which are as small as a housing development with 10 houses in it.This will never be figured out by the FCC or any agency. I'm DOING the work that needs to be done. Why on earth should I do free labor while doing it? But I'll bet that on a more macro scale, all we do is provide the directions for bigger guys deciding what towns or cities to deploy in without spending a dime in research. I know I buy a lot of $140 (and climbing) tanks of diesel to find areas not covered and then cover them, and then go to door to door to sign up people. I have perhaps 20,000 people in my targeted market, which covers everything from farms and vineyards to forested mountains, and it's an hour and a half to drive across from the farthest customers now, and in a fe months it's going to be close to two hours. So, why on earth should I then be required to expend more time and effort and possibly money, just to tell someone else where to go for free? Perhaps I'm just irked because the heavy hand of both state and federal govenrments is coming down on a lot of what we do - I may soon need a contractor's license and AND hire a licensed electrician... to be a WISP, of all things. If that's the case, my customers will become unserved. And there is NOBODY in my corner fighting this either federally or at the state level. Rather, every organization I've uncovered is just nodding and smiling like some lobotomized sheep. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I agree, I would also like to know the position of WISPA. It looks like another great way for some company to make extra income off of my already short bottom line. The current reporting is a pain but can be completed in an hour or so. I am not privileged to have GIS software and data setting around for all my data to interface with. Besides in my area the census track is larger then the ZIP's. So they will get less exact data. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the census unit each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have no idea what a census unit is, how it is determined, or even how to find
